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[DOYOURLABS]

The artist is dolmheon from deviant art. Here's a link to the full picture: http://browse.devian...effect#/d2m8422



I used a close up version that he linked to because when I tried to post the full one it didn't work.

[DOYOURLABS]

I can see why, he definitely has a talent for art. Can't wait to see how your commission comes out.

[aamy]

I guess I sort of subconciously assumed that Samara was a romanceable character, but didn't think to act on it. The first inquiry about romance you can make didn't go unnoticed by me, but it also didn't make me think that Samara would eventually be romanced by the end of it all. Samara dialogues in this regard are different from the other squadmates as there is so much that goes unspoken. I like her choice of words, she can be clear and concise and then also as ambiguous and interpretative as a piece of poetry.

And then the final moment came..."I want more". I honestly didn't want more at first. I choose to be her freind the first time, and right after just couldn't bare to think about what little fountain of dialogue may have gone unexplored by me. So I bailed and reloaded. I wanted more. Not in the sense of a romance, but just more from Samara the character. And she delivered. At one point I even thought to myself.."this isn't really going to happen is it? Shepard and Samara can't really be together at this point." Not only would it be a domestic nightmare, but it would also be too good to be true. I got the feeling Samara thought this as well, and she acknowledged just how much amount of "want" she has, but also what was "needed" for her. She needed the stability of what Justicar life offers. That may sound like an oxymoron, but she could not give up the life of a Justicar just because a woman who "has reawakened those desires" in her demands it. That's just not right.

And what about Shepard. Not only can you have the audacity to push for Samara's "sweet" love" as someone put it, but you can just ask quickly as for casual sex. How many people here would go up to a warrior of an ancient monastic order whose experience trumps yours ten-fold and ask for some quality time like that? Not only is it innapropriate, it is totally awesome. Yes, another oxymoron, but this little exchange sparks some inner "forbidden fruit" desires in me and I like to play my Shepard as a kind of sucker for those. I reloaded and played this as well But stuck to my "another life" save.

As for the future of Samara in regards to a romance. No. Although initially I was neutral upon the matter. I don't think it can happen, although I'm still open minded towards it. But not after the awesomeness that was the romance scene in this game. They made Samara use the "too good to be true" card. How do you come back from "its too good to be true, but no"? Any ideas? I thought not. Simply put, this phrase is a trump card when it comes to romance dialogue, I've seen it in every facet of literature. It is equivalant to the "in another time, another life" phrase which consequently is also used by Samara. So that's two trump cards people! That's checkmate. My Shepard was daunted, but she accepted it. Though not quite heartbroken, because that would entail that it was mutual. But Samara would not let it get to that. She cut off the bud before it could grow into something glorious, not because she was afraid or selfish. It was purely a matter of principle and honor. There was only The Code.

I also think that the writers fully intended this to be a stand alone aspect of Samara's character, and I would not put faith in them to try to attempt and come back from the enclosure they gave it. It wouldn't hold true to me. I'm not trying to say that making her a romance option would destroy her character or something. But I find it hard to see, in the grand scheme of things considering how they develop these romances, how it wouldn't come off as forced. I quite enjoy the dissonant harmony in this result. I would like to leave it as that.

Modifié par aamy, 20 juin 2010 - 05:23 .

[NICKjnp]

slimgrin wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

To an extent, Seven reminds me of Samara.
Calculated, mature, ruthless if she needs to be, similarly improbable clothing, etcetera.

Very true. I never noticed this before. I always liked 7 of 9. That suit...meow. 

My favorite episode with Samara of Nine is the first episode she is in.  The Borg try to betray voyager in the end and Janeway is ready for it.  She gives Chekote and predetermined "kill order" phrase (Scorpion) and he jetisons (except for Samara of Nine) them out of the cargo bay... pure awesome.

[DOYOURLABS]

aamy wrote...

I guess I sort of subconciously assumed that Samara was a romanceable character, but didn't think to act on it. The first inquiry about romance you can make didn't go unnoticed by me, but it also didn't make me think that Samara would eventually be romanced by the end of it all. Samara dialogues in this regard are different from the other squadmates as there is so much that goes unspoken. I like her choice of words, she can be clear and concise and then also as ambiguous and interpretative as a piece of poetry.

And then the final moment came..."I want more". I honestly didn't want more at first. I choose to be her freind the first time, and right after just couldn't bare to think about what little fountain of dialogue may have gone unexplored by me. So I bailed and reloaded. I wanted more. Not in the sense of a romance, but just more from Samara the character. And she delivered. At one point I even thought to myself.."this isn't really going to happen is it? Shepard and Samara can't really be together at this point." Not only would it be a domestic nightmare, but it would also be too good to be true. I got the feeling Samara thought this as well, and she acknowledged just how much amount of "want" she has, but also what was "needed" for her. She needed the stability of what Justicar life offers. That may sound like an oxymoron, but she could not give up the life of a Justicar just because a woman who "has reawakened those desires" in her demands it. That's just not right.

And what about Shepard. Not only can you have the audacity to push for Samara's "sweet" love" as someone put it, but you can just ask quickly as for casual sex. How many people here would go up to a warrior of an ancient monastic order whose experience trumps yours ten-fold and ask for some quality time like that? Not only is it innapropriate, it is totally awesome. Yes, another oxymoron, but this little exchange sparks some inner "forbidden fruit" desires in me and I like to play my Shepard as a kind of sucker for those. I reloaded and played this as well But stuck to my "another life" save.

As for the future of Samara in regards to a romance. No. Although initially I was neutral upon the matter. I don't think it can happen, although I'm still open minded towards it. But not after the awesomeness that was the romance scene in this game. They made Samara use the "too good to be true" card. How do you come back from "its too good to be true, but no"? Any ideas? I thought not. Simply put, this phrase is a trump card when it comes to romance dialogue, I've seen it in every facet of literature. It is equivalant to the "in another time, another life" phrase which consequently is also used by Samara. So that's two trump cards people! That's checkmate. My Shepard was daunted, but she accepted it. Though not quite heartbroken, because that would entail that it was mutual. But Samara would not let it get to that. She cut off the bud before it could grow into something glorious, not because she was afraid or selfish. It was purely a matter of principle and honor. There was only The Code.

I also think that the writers fully intended this to be a stand alone aspect of Samara's character, and I would not put faith in them to try to attempt and come back from the enclosure they gave it. It wouldn't hold true to me. I'm not trying to say that making her a romance option would destroy her character or something. But I find it hard to see, in the grand scheme of things considering how they develop these romances, how it wouldn't come off as forced. I quite enjoy the dissonant harmony in this result. I would like to leave it as that.

You had the same exact reaction I did. I was on my 3rd playthrough of Mass Effect 2, and I thought I would try and romance Samara because she was my favorite character. I had gotten used to the formula of "talk to them, go on their loyalty mission, talk to them more, get the cabin scene" and when she said relationships weren't forbidden by the code and she "appreciated my interest" I thought she was romanceable. When my shepard got rejected, I was a bit upset. I checked these forums to see if she was romanceable, and when I found out she wasn't, I joined a few "Samara for LI in ME3" groups and gave my support to similar threads. But when I started to think about it, I wasn't really sure I wanted her to be an LI. Unless it was done in a tasteful manner and with some artistic skill, I think it would take away from her character. I just hope she remains in my squad for ME3.

[kelmar6821]

Happy Father's Day!

[aamy]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

You had the same exact reaction I did. I was on my 3rd playthrough of Mass Effect 2, and I thought I would try and romance Samara because she was my favorite character. I had gotten used to the formula of "talk to them, go on their loyalty mission, talk to them more, get the cabin scene" and when she said relationships weren't forbidden by the code and she "appreciated my interest" I thought she was romanceable. When my shepard got rejected, I was a bit upset. I checked these forums to see if she was romanceable, and when I found out she wasn't, I joined a few "Samara for LI in ME3" groups and gave my support to similar threads. But when I started to think about it, I wasn't really sure I wanted her to be an LI. Unless it was done in a tasteful manner and with some artistic skill, I think it would take away from her character. I just hope she remains in my squad for ME3.

Yes, aside from the romance aspect, I absolutely want Samara to be back alongside either of my Paragon or Renegade Shepards to fight the Reapers. Its just a matter of whether they want  the squadmates to have a personal story of their own in the next game. At the same time, there is no way we can expect the same level of character missions in the next game, but it is impractical to have characters return without a personal inclination to Shepard or to the cause itself. That is a matter that must be resolved first and foremost. A game without Samara and Jack, although they are characters more for enrichment of the story than for plot progression, would still feel somewhat empty to me.

Modifié par aamy, 20 juin 2010 - 06:01 .

[NICKjnp]

yorkj86 wrote...

kelmar6821 wrote...

Happy Father's Day!

Don't tell Samara.

Actually, that makes me wonder what kind of people Samara's parents were.

Don't know... but here are her daughter's father

[kelmar6821]

I really doubt it. Possible, but unlikely.

[BlackMetal]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

 You had the same exact reaction I did. I was on my 3rd playthrough of Mass Effect 2, and I thought I would try and romance Samara because she was my favorite character. I had gotten used to the formula of "talk to them, go on their loyalty mission, talk to them more, get the cabin scene" and when she said relationships weren't forbidden by the code and she "appreciated my interest" I thought she was romanceable. When my shepard got rejected, I was a bit upset. I checked these forums to see if she was romanceable, and when I found out she wasn't, I joined a few "Samara for LI in ME3" groups and gave my support to similar threads. But when I started to think about it, I wasn't really sure I wanted her to be an LI. Unless it was done in a tasteful manner and with some artistic skill, I think it would take away from her character. I just hope she remains in my squad for ME3.

I hope she is Romancable but in a well thought out and non-cliche romance. If a meme is spawned from a poor romance of her in ME 3, i will strap several kilos of C4 to my copy of ME 3 and make it go away.

[DOYOURLABS]

BlackMetal wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

 You had the same exact reaction I did. I was on my 3rd playthrough of Mass Effect 2, and I thought I would try and romance Samara because she was my favorite character. I had gotten used to the formula of "talk to them, go on their loyalty mission, talk to them more, get the cabin scene" and when she said relationships weren't forbidden by the code and she "appreciated my interest" I thought she was romanceable. When my shepard got rejected, I was a bit upset. I checked these forums to see if she was romanceable, and when I found out she wasn't, I joined a few "Samara for LI in ME3" groups and gave my support to similar threads. But when I started to think about it, I wasn't really sure I wanted her to be an LI. Unless it was done in a tasteful manner and with some artistic skill, I think it would take away from her character. I just hope she remains in my squad for ME3.

I hope she is Romancable but in a well thought out and non-cliche romance. If a meme is spawned from a poor romance of her in ME 3, i will strap several kilos of C4 to my copy of ME 3 and make it go away.

I did that to my copy of ME2 when I saw how butchered Liara's character was. Even her voice actor hated it. 

[BlackMetal]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

 You had the same exact reaction I did. I was on my 3rd playthrough of Mass Effect 2, and I thought I would try and romance Samara because she was my favorite character. I had gotten used to the formula of "talk to them, go on their loyalty mission, talk to them more, get the cabin scene" and when she said relationships weren't forbidden by the code and she "appreciated my interest" I thought she was romanceable. When my shepard got rejected, I was a bit upset. I checked these forums to see if she was romanceable, and when I found out she wasn't, I joined a few "Samara for LI in ME3" groups and gave my support to similar threads. But when I started to think about it, I wasn't really sure I wanted her to be an LI. Unless it was done in a tasteful manner and with some artistic skill, I think it would take away from her character. I just hope she remains in my squad for ME3.

I hope she is Romancable but in a well thought out and non-cliche romance. If a meme is spawned from a poor romance of her in ME 3, i will strap several kilos of C4 to my copy of ME 3 and make it go away.

I did that to my copy of ME2 when I saw how butchered Liara's character was. Even her voice actor hated it. 

Liara and Wrex were my two favorite characters in ME 1, and they both got **** roles in ME 2 which dissapointed me, i hope they don't do that with some of the good ones from ME 2 in ME 3.

[DOYOURLABS]

BlackMetal wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

 You had the same exact reaction I did. I was on my 3rd playthrough of Mass Effect 2, and I thought I would try and romance Samara because she was my favorite character. I had gotten used to the formula of "talk to them, go on their loyalty mission, talk to them more, get the cabin scene" and when she said relationships weren't forbidden by the code and she "appreciated my interest" I thought she was romanceable. When my shepard got rejected, I was a bit upset. I checked these forums to see if she was romanceable, and when I found out she wasn't, I joined a few "Samara for LI in ME3" groups and gave my support to similar threads. But when I started to think about it, I wasn't really sure I wanted her to be an LI. Unless it was done in a tasteful manner and with some artistic skill, I think it would take away from her character. I just hope she remains in my squad for ME3.

I hope she is Romancable but in a well thought out and non-cliche romance. If a meme is spawned from a poor romance of her in ME 3, i will strap several kilos of C4 to my copy of ME 3 and make it go away.

I did that to my copy of ME2 when I saw how butchered Liara's character was. Even her voice actor hated it. 

Liara and Wrex were my two favorite characters in ME 1, and they both got **** roles in ME 2 which dissapointed me, i hope they don't do that with some of the good ones from ME 2 in ME 3.

Wrex had the best role of all the ME1 characters in ME2 except for Tali and Garrus. He at least had a legitimate reason to not go with shepard.

[BlackMetal]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

 You had the same exact reaction I did. I was on my 3rd playthrough of Mass Effect 2, and I thought I would try and romance Samara because she was my favorite character. I had gotten used to the formula of "talk to them, go on their loyalty mission, talk to them more, get the cabin scene" and when she said relationships weren't forbidden by the code and she "appreciated my interest" I thought she was romanceable. When my shepard got rejected, I was a bit upset. I checked these forums to see if she was romanceable, and when I found out she wasn't, I joined a few "Samara for LI in ME3" groups and gave my support to similar threads. But when I started to think about it, I wasn't really sure I wanted her to be an LI. Unless it was done in a tasteful manner and with some artistic skill, I think it would take away from her character. I just hope she remains in my squad for ME3.

I hope she is Romancable but in a well thought out and non-cliche romance. If a meme is spawned from a poor romance of her in ME 3, i will strap several kilos of C4 to my copy of ME 3 and make it go away.

I did that to my copy of ME2 when I saw how butchered Liara's character was. Even her voice actor hated it. 

Liara and Wrex were my two favorite characters in ME 1, and they both got **** roles in ME 2 which dissapointed me, i hope they don't do that with some of the good ones from ME 2 in ME 3.

Wrex had the best role of all the ME1 characters in ME2 except for Tali and Garrus. He at least had a legitimate reason to not go with shepard.

No one from ME 1 got a good role in ME 2 except for Tali (who is my least favorite out of the originals) IMO. Garrus was in your squad but he had almost no Dialogue which was a downer. If they do this to Samara in ME 3 i will facepalm so hard i may die.

[DOYOURLABS]

BlackMetal wrote...

No one from ME 1 got a good role in ME 2 except for Tali (who is my least favorite out of the originals) IMO. Garrus was in your squad but he had almost no Dialogue which was a downer. If they do this to Samara in ME 3 i will facepalm so hard i may die.

Agreed. Garrus would have been much better if he had more dialogue with male shep, and didn't calibrate his goddamn guns so much. Tali was the best male shep romance in ME2. Period. 

[BlackMetal]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

No one from ME 1 got a good role in ME 2 except for Tali (who is my least favorite out of the originals) IMO. Garrus was in your squad but he had almost no Dialogue which was a downer. If they do this to Samara in ME 3 i will facepalm so hard i may die.

Agreed. Garrus would have been much better if he had more dialogue with male shep, and didn't calibrate his goddamn guns so much. Tali was the best male shep romance in ME2. Period. 

I can't really comment on the ME 2 romances because IMO i didn't think any of them were that good. I guess Miranda would be the best for me because she was the best looking.  The romances in ME 1 were far better IMO.

[DOYOURLABS]

BlackMetal wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

No one from ME 1 got a good role in ME 2 except for Tali (who is my least favorite out of the originals) IMO. Garrus was in your squad but he had almost no Dialogue which was a downer. If they do this to Samara in ME 3 i will facepalm so hard i may die.

Agreed. Garrus would have been much better if he had more dialogue with male shep, and didn't calibrate his goddamn guns so much. Tali was the best male shep romance in ME2. Period. 

I can't really comment on the ME 2 romances because IMO i didn't think any of them were that good. I guess Miranda would be the best for me because she was the best looking.  The romances in ME 1 were far better IMO.

Definitely, and Liara's was the best. I didn't think Miranda was that good looking, especially compared to her VA Yvonne Stahovsky.

[7Makaveli]

some black humor anyone?






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[7Makaveli]

aamy wrote...

I guess I sort of subconciously assumed that Samara was a romanceable character, but didn't think to act on it. The first inquiry about romance you can make didn't go unnoticed by me, but it also didn't make me think that Samara would eventually be romanced by the end of it all. Samara dialogues in this regard are different from the other squadmates as there is so much that goes unspoken. I like her choice of words, she can be clear and concise and then also as ambiguous and interpretative as a piece of poetry.

And then the final moment came..."I want more". I honestly didn't want more at first. I choose to be her freind the first time, and right after just couldn't bare to think about what little fountain of dialogue may have gone unexplored by me. So I bailed and reloaded. I wanted more. Not in the sense of a romance, but just more from Samara the character. And she delivered. At one point I even thought to myself.."this isn't really going to happen is it? Shepard and Samara can't really be together at this point." Not only would it be a domestic nightmare, but it would also be too good to be true. I got the feeling Samara thought this as well, and she acknowledged just how much amount of "want" she has, but also what was "needed" for her. She needed the stability of what Justicar life offers. That may sound like an oxymoron, but she could not give up the life of a Justicar just because a woman who "has reawakened those desires" in her demands it. That's just not right.

And what about Shepard. Not only can you have the audacity to push for Samara's "sweet" love" as someone put it, but you can just ask quickly as for casual sex. How many people here would go up to a warrior of an ancient monastic order whose experience trumps yours ten-fold and ask for some quality time like that? Not only is it innapropriate, it is totally awesome. Yes, another oxymoron, but this little exchange sparks some inner "forbidden fruit" desires in me and I like to play my Shepard as a kind of sucker for those. I reloaded and played this as well But stuck to my "another life" save.

As for the future of Samara in regards to a romance. No. Although initially I was neutral upon the matter. I don't think it can happen, although I'm still open minded towards it. But not after the awesomeness that was the romance scene in this game. They made Samara use the "too good to be true" card. How do you come back from "its too good to be true, but no"? Any ideas? I thought not. Simply put, this phrase is a trump card when it comes to romance dialogue, I've seen it in every facet of literature. It is equivalant to the "in another time, another life" phrase which consequently is also used by Samara. So that's two trump cards people! That's checkmate. My Shepard was daunted, but she accepted it. Though not quite heartbroken, because that would entail that it was mutual. But Samara would not let it get to that. She cut off the bud before it could grow into something glorious, not because she was afraid or selfish. It was purely a matter of principle and honor. There was only The Code.

I also think that the writers fully intended this to be a stand alone aspect of Samara's character, and I would not put faith in them to try to attempt and come back from the enclosure they gave it. It wouldn't hold true to me. I'm not trying to say that making her a romance option would destroy her character or something. But I find it hard to see, in the grand scheme of things considering how they develop these romances, how it wouldn't come off as forced. I quite enjoy the dissonant harmony in this result. I would like to leave it as that.

well that was rather articulate. I more or less agree with your analysis. It is a "too good to be true" type situation. Writing a romance on top of what happened here is not only hard, but probably would require some unrealistic character changes I wouldn't want to see. I would want them to make an attempt at it atleast. Its no harm, maybe this one romance will allow them to break free of their formulaic romance writing and give us a worthy affair

[BlackMetal]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

No one from ME 1 got a good role in ME 2 except for Tali (who is my least favorite out of the originals) IMO. Garrus was in your squad but he had almost no Dialogue which was a downer. If they do this to Samara in ME 3 i will facepalm so hard i may die.

Agreed. Garrus would have been much better if he had more dialogue with male shep, and didn't calibrate his goddamn guns so much. Tali was the best male shep romance in ME2. Period. 

I can't really comment on the ME 2 romances because IMO i didn't think any of them were that good. I guess Miranda would be the best for me because she was the best looking.  The romances in ME 1 were far better IMO.

Definitely, and Liara's was the best. I didn't think Miranda was that good looking, especially compared to her VA Yvonne Stahovsky.

Yeah, her VA looks really good on Chuck and i also agree Liara's romance was the best of the series..... so far until Samara's in ME 3!(Wishful thinking.)