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[Gammalfarmor]

yeah it's pretty wicked just to think about that.

So I can still talk to her? Thats good, because she is my favourite character in ME 2.

[DirtyVagrant]

yorkj86 wrote...

Either way, it's likely that Samara was alive on Thessia or wherever else when humans were still sailing around the oceans in wood ships.  It's amazing to think about all of the things she's seen during her lifetime.

That... is a crazy thought. 

[Flamewielder]

AshiraShepard wrote...

I'd be confused if there was no reaction to Shepard trying to romance her in ME3, even if the reaction was from Samara alone.

Then again, BW might just say "She's just that good at hiding emotions." *dusts off hands* REALLY? *mutter*

Samara's refusal in ME2 may or may not be definitive, depending on what BW intended for her. Given her obvious reluctance to pursue romantic involvement with Shepard in spite of her feelings, the relationship would have to be sustained throughout whatever timespan elapses between ME2 and ME3 in order for her to reconsider.

If BW plans on Samara to return in ME3 but has her going back to the asari worlds until then, I do not see what would change her mind. Sure, she finds Shepard appealing in the romantic sense (and we must assume that asari base their judgement mostly on personality rather than physical aesthetics); but she's obviously comfortable with remaining "just friends". She doesn't look like the type to let a single event change her mind, however dramatic or romantic the moment might be.

Should Samara (i.e BW) decide Shepard's mission of stopping the Reapers is worthy of a Justicar's attention; she could remain with the Normandy until ME3, spending possibly months or even years among Shepard's team and slowly allow herself to reconsider her initial rejection.

[kelmar6821]

Honestly I'm kinda liking the idea of a purely platonic romance. My shepard would be content to simply have her by his side. You know the whole unspoken love kinda thing. God I can't believe I just said that. No character in any book or game has ever peaked my interest like Samara has.

[BlackMetal]

kelmar6821 wrote...

Honestly I'm kinda liking the idea of a purely platonic romance. My shepard would be content to simply have her by his side. You know the whole unspoken love kinda thing. God I can't believe I just said that. No character in any book or game has ever peaked my interest like Samara has.

Mass effect 2 is the first game that has ever peaked my intrest like this because of Samara.

It's just im ****ing tired of the same cardboard cutout characters and Samara is the best Character of any series ive encountered.

The mystery, the Code, everything about her is unique and interesting, id be content to have the final scene of ME 3 show Shepard and Samara riding of to continue the fight against injustice.

[Flamewielder]

kelmar6821 wrote...

Honestly I'm kinda liking the idea of a purely platonic romance. My shepard would be content to simply have her by his side. You know the whole unspoken love kinda thing. God I can't believe I just said that. No character in any book or game has ever peaked my interest like Samara has.

That's a theme explored in "Couching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" and touched on in "The Last Samurai", although the latter ends with a strong suggestion that the romance will soon stop being platonic.

Samurai stories often depict romances this way, when profound love is expressed through subtle gestures... which fits very well with Samara's description of Justicars.

[BlackMetal]

Flamewielder wrote...

kelmar6821 wrote...

Honestly I'm kinda liking the idea of a purely platonic romance. My shepard would be content to simply have her by his side. You know the whole unspoken love kinda thing. God I can't believe I just said that. No character in any book or game has ever peaked my interest like Samara has.

That's a theme explored in "Couching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" and touched on in "The Last Samurai", although the latter ends with a strong suggestion that the romance will soon stop being platonic.

Samurai stories often depict romances this way, when profound love is expressed through subtle gestures... which fits very well with Samara's description of Justicars.

That would indeed fit her character very well, as Justicars are a little like Samurai.

[BlackMetal]

yorkj86 wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...

kelmar6821 wrote...

Honestly I'm kinda liking the idea of a purely platonic romance. My shepard would be content to simply have her by his side. You know the whole unspoken love kinda thing. God I can't believe I just said that. No character in any book or game has ever peaked my interest like Samara has.

That's a theme explored in "Couching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" and touched on in "The Last Samurai", although the latter ends with a strong suggestion that the romance will soon stop being platonic.

Samurai stories often depict romances this way, when profound love is expressed through subtle gestures... which fits very well with Samara's description of Justicars.

That is love - small things, like quick glances across a hallway and stray smiles, not huge, earth-shaking revelations where two characters confess their love for each other and sob in each other's arms.

To say the least, there's a reason Samara's smiles mean far more to me than hugs and kisses from other characters.

Huh, Never really looked at it that way, i realize now this is true though.

It seems in ME 2 you actually got closer to a TRUE Romance with Samara than with someone such as Miranda/Jacob.

Modifié par BlackMetal, 26 mars 2010 - 09:48 .

[BlackMetal]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
To say the least, there's a reason Samara's smiles mean far more to me than hugs and kisses from other characters.

You mean a deep love that Samara has for Shep the person, but not the romantic type?
Or could possibly turn romantic?

Samara's smiles are rare and poignant. 

A smile from Samara comes from a woman who is in complete control of her emotions at all times.  Smiles from  Samara come from a woman who is stoic and incorruptible.  A smile from Samara comes from a woman who is letting Shepard get a glimpse of herself through her hardened Justicar exterior. 

That's what I mean when I say Samara's smiles mean so much more than a hug or a kiss.

Ok I understand.  That statement of yours almost sounds like it was spoken by Samara herself.

Edit:  You really have studied her haven't you?

That statement does sound alot like Samara, this guy knows his ****.

[Whatcote Park]

BlackMetal wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
To say the least, there's a reason Samara's smiles mean far more to me than hugs and kisses from other characters.

You mean a deep love that Samara has for Shep the person, but not the romantic type?
Or could possibly turn romantic?

Samara's smiles are rare and poignant. 

A smile from Samara comes from a woman who is in complete control of her emotions at all times.  Smiles from  Samara come from a woman who is stoic and incorruptible.  A smile from Samara comes from a woman who is letting Shepard get a glimpse of herself through her hardened Justicar exterior. 

That's what I mean when I say Samara's smiles mean so much more than a hug or a kiss.

Ok I understand.  That statement of yours almost sounds like it was spoken by Samara herself.

Edit:  You really have studied her haven't you?

That statement does sound alot like Samara, this guy knows his ****.

Most people here seem to know a lot about Samara, and are able to write intelligently about her too. I think that in itself shows just the sort character Samara is, just by looking at her fans.

[Flamewielder]

yorkj86 wrote...
[That is love - small things, like quick glances across a hallway and stray smiles, not huge, earth-shaking revelations where two characters confess their love for each other and sob in each other's arms.
To say the least, there's a reason Samara's smiles mean far more to me than hugs and kisses from other characters.

To illustrate:

In Musashi (Eiji Yoshikawa, 1995), a skilled but arrogant warrior travels to the castle of a famed swordmaster and begs an opportunity to fight against him. The swordmaster sends him a flower from his garden as an answer. Insulted, the warrior departs.

Later, the hero arrives at the castle with the same intent but happens to notice the discarded flower. Noticing the perfection of the sword stroke used to cut the flower, the hero realizes he is not ready to train with such a swordmaster. Instead, he asks to learn about gardening, demonstrating both wisdom and humility.

The ancient swordmaster, after having spent a few years teaching the hero about respect for growth and life, eventually shares his swordsmanship with him. The swordmaster teaches that the taking of life is a grave matter, and must only be performed  with the full appreciation and knowledge of what the warrior is extinguishing/ending.

Such subtelty was obviously lost on the the first warrior...

[BlackMetal]

Whatcote Park wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
To say the least, there's a reason Samara's smiles mean far more to me than hugs and kisses from other characters.

You mean a deep love that Samara has for Shep the person, but not the romantic type?
Or could possibly turn romantic?

Samara's smiles are rare and poignant. 

A smile from Samara comes from a woman who is in complete control of her emotions at all times.  Smiles from  Samara come from a woman who is stoic and incorruptible.  A smile from Samara comes from a woman who is letting Shepard get a glimpse of herself through her hardened Justicar exterior. 

That's what I mean when I say Samara's smiles mean so much more than a hug or a kiss.

Ok I understand.  That statement of yours almost sounds like it was spoken by Samara herself.

Edit:  You really have studied her haven't you?

That statement does sound alot like Samara, this guy knows his ****.

Most people here seem to know a lot about Samara, and are able to write intelligently about her too. I think that in itself shows just the sort character Samara is, just by looking at her fans.

True, she's not a character for the average gamer.

[DirtyVagrant]

BlackMetal wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
To say the least, there's a reason Samara's smiles mean far more to me than hugs and kisses from other characters.

You mean a deep love that Samara has for Shep the person, but not the romantic type?
Or could possibly turn romantic?

Samara's smiles are rare and poignant. 

A smile from Samara comes from a woman who is in complete control of her emotions at all times.  Smiles from  Samara come from a woman who is stoic and incorruptible.  A smile from Samara comes from a woman who is letting Shepard get a glimpse of herself through her hardened Justicar exterior. 

That's what I mean when I say Samara's smiles mean so much more than a hug or a kiss.

Ok I understand.  That statement of yours almost sounds like it was spoken by Samara herself.

Edit:  You really have studied her haven't you?

That statement does sound alot like Samara, this guy knows his ****.

LOL, yeah! Very insightful stuff, I like it, and agree with it. It adds... I don't know, an intriguing yet alluring mystique? I don't think I could quite put it as poignant as you did, York. But it is refreshing to see some intelligent discussion regarding a character than the... questionable... discussions happening amongst fans of more popular characters.

[BlackMetal]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
To say the least, there's a reason Samara's smiles mean far more to me than hugs and kisses from other characters.

You mean a deep love that Samara has for Shep the person, but not the romantic type?
Or could possibly turn romantic?

Samara's smiles are rare and poignant. 

A smile from Samara comes from a woman who is in complete control of her emotions at all times.  Smiles from  Samara come from a woman who is stoic and incorruptible.  A smile from Samara comes from a woman who is letting Shepard get a glimpse of herself through her hardened Justicar exterior. 

That's what I mean when I say Samara's smiles mean so much more than a hug or a kiss.

Ok I understand.  That statement of yours almost sounds like it was spoken by Samara herself.

Edit:  You really have studied her haven't you?

That statement does sound alot like Samara, this guy knows his ****.

LOL, yeah! Very insightful stuff, I like it, and agree with it. It adds... I don't know, an intriguing yet alluring mystique? I don't think I could quite put it as poignant as you did, York. But it is refreshing to see some intelligent discussion regarding a character than the... questionable... discussions happening amongst fans of more popular characters.

I thought i understood Samara quite well and then i jumped onto this forum a couple days ago and well.... i knew a lot less than i thought.

This recent discussion has been absolutely fantastic and demonstartes how awesome complex characters like Samara are.

[Sikayda]

Can someone tell me if it is possible to get the scene where her and Shep almost kiss after the suicide mission?, I think it would be a little more fitting to experience it after my Shep saves her from falling to her death in the final battle as it would seem she trust him enough to give in to her feelings, if only for the short momment.

[Flamewielder]

Sikayda wrote...

Can someone tell me if it is possible to get the scene where her and Shep almost kiss after the suicide mission?, I think it would be a little more fitting to experience it after my Shep saves her from falling to her death in the final battle as it would seem she trust him enough to give in to her feelings, if only for the short momment.

At some point, Samara expresses how she cherishes her friendship with Shepard, to which you can reply 1) you also cherish her friendship or 2) you want more. The second option eventually leads to the "almost kiss".

If you've already gone through this conversation prior to the final mission, you've missed your chance...

Modifié par Flamewielder, 26 mars 2010 - 10:40 .

[Sikayda]

Flamewielder wrote...

Sikayda wrote...

Can someone tell me if it is possible to get the scene where her and Shep almost kiss after the suicide mission?, I think it would be a little more fitting to experience it after my Shep saves her from falling to her death in the final battle as it would seem she trust him enough to give in to her feelings, if only for the short momment.

At some point, Samara expresses how she cherishes her friendship with Shepard, to which you can reply 1) you also cherish her friendship or 2) you want more. The second option eventually leads to the "almost kiss".

If you've already gone through this conversation prior to the final mission, you've missed your chance...

I've done the romance before and know how it all plays out, i just want to know if it can it be intiated after the final mission as opposed to only before you travel through the relay.

What i'm asking is if i can save the romance talk until after the suicide mission as opposed to starting it beforehand.

Modifié par Sikayda, 26 mars 2010 - 10:55 .

[Whatcote Park]

I haven't seen anyone else talk about it here yet; what do people think of Samara's music track? Do you think it suits her demeanor?

[Gammalfarmor]

I love this character also because she seems more mature then everyone else.