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[Rikketik]

AKFTF wrote...

I've read the pages I missed and would like to comment on a conversation you guys were having earler-about Samara smiling. I can't help but smile myself when she smiles. It felt good to see her be happy for once. Here is a woman who stays calm and collected at all times; to finally get a reaction from her is quite fulfilling.
I've done every romance in each game and none have felt so natural and special, as the "half-romance" with her.

I just had the conversation with her, in which she talks about some of her adventures as a Justicar and as a mercenary. In the beginning, when she tells you how she thought she had experienced all there is to experience in the universe... She throws a couple of very warm smiles at Shepard during those few sentences. Really nice to see. Maybe even more so because she transforms so smoothly back to her serious self afterwards.

[Whatcote Park]

Yeah, I remember that. t'was a good moment.

And regarding her setting, I think it was definitely the best of all the characters; the starry background really resonated well with her meaning, cold, vast and mysterious. She was also the only character, in my eyes, doing something interesting instead of just sitting there without anything to say.

[AKFTF]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

AKFTF wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

AKFTF wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

How about whenever you try the paragon and offer your sympathy about her children and she rejects it?

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean? Can you clarify?

I can't give it verbatim, but I think it is when you first talk to her about Morinth and her loyalty quest.  If you pick the top right in the dialog wheel, Shep will say "Oh I'm so sorry" and Samara will say "No I don't want your pity".

It's not that (I remember that line.) What do you mean about that specific part though.

I was just a little surprised.  Usually whenever Shep uses a paragon line, he/she doesn't get that type of exchange and reaction.  Samara is strong and proud and only wants his/her understanding, not sympathy.  The exchange seems to offer a very discernible contrast to Tali's character.

Oh! Sorry I didn't understand. I actually replied to your post on the previous page. You might want to check it out.

[BlackMetal]

AKFTF wrote...

There are so many things we could talk about with Samara. She is really an invaluable team mate for advice. I always feel like ME2 didn't provide enough dialogue with her.

Exactly, i hated how first of all you don't get her until half way through the game, then even though her dialouge was the best in the game i personally felt it wasn't enough, i mean if i recall correctly your last conversation with her is the "almost kiss".

A bit too much of a cliffhanger for me to end on that conversation.

[AKFTF]

Whatcote Park wrote...

Yeah, I remember that. t'was a good moment.
And regarding her setting, I think it was definitely the best of all the characters; the starry background really resonated well with her meaning, cold, vast and mysterious. She was also the only character, in my eyes, doing something interesting instead of just sitting there without anything to say.

Just a small observation I've made: when she sits on the floor she keeps her back straight. Not an easy thing to do...I've tried.

Edit: @BlackMetal
I thought it was cool how she left the room in the cutscene, and then she isn't in her room when it's over. A small detail, but nice nonetheless. Question: How do you get her to tell you that she is willing to help you after the suicide mission? I try to talk to her, but she says I did the right thing by destroying the base and that's it.

Modifié par AKFTF, 27 mars 2010 - 12:14 .

[Rikketik]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

AKFTF wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

How about whenever you try the paragon and offer your sympathy about her children and she rejects it?

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean? Can you clarify?

I can't give it verbatim, but I think it is when you first talk to her about Morinth and her loyalty quest.  If you pick the top right in the dialog wheel, Shep will say "Oh I'm so sorry" and Samara will say "No I don't want your pity".

That reaction surprised me, but it's one of the charms of the dialogue system I think. Some answers may be paragon, but that doesn't mean everybody will instantly like you for it. And in the end I think it was logical for her to behave that way, don't wanting any pity. After 400 years of dealing with it alone, it was already a huge step for her to ask for your help, to confide in Shepard about the nature of the person she hunted and eventually Samara's relationship with Morinth. So that "I don't want your pity"... hey, maybe she really meant it, but I think it was primarily a way of keeping Shepard at the distance she needed at that moment.

[AKFTF]

Rikketik wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

AKFTF wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

How about whenever you try the paragon and offer your sympathy about her children and she rejects it?

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean? Can you clarify?

I can't give it verbatim, but I think it is when you first talk to her about Morinth and her loyalty quest.  If you pick the top right in the dialog wheel, Shep will say "Oh I'm so sorry" and Samara will say "No I don't want your pity".

That reaction surprised me, but it's one of the charms of the dialogue system I think. Some answers may be paragon, but that doesn't mean everybody will instantly like you for it. And in the end I think it was logical for her to behave that way, don't wanting any pity. After 400 years of dealing with it alone, it was already a huge step for her to ask for your help, to confide in Shepard about the nature of the person she hunted and eventually Samara's relationship with Morinth. So that "I don't want your pity"... hey, maybe she really meant it, but I think it was primarily a way of keeping Shepard at the distance she needed at that moment.

You make a good point. She has been dealing with the problem herself for hundreds of years and confides in Shepard that he/she is the only person Samara could imagine asking for help. In the end she still needs some time alone to fully get over the situation.

[BlackMetal]

AKFTF wrote...

Rikketik wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

AKFTF wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

How about whenever you try the paragon and offer your sympathy about her children and she rejects it?

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean? Can you clarify?

I can't give it verbatim, but I think it is when you first talk to her about Morinth and her loyalty quest.  If you pick the top right in the dialog wheel, Shep will say "Oh I'm so sorry" and Samara will say "No I don't want your pity".

That reaction surprised me, but it's one of the charms of the dialogue system I think. Some answers may be paragon, but that doesn't mean everybody will instantly like you for it. And in the end I think it was logical for her to behave that way, don't wanting any pity. After 400 years of dealing with it alone, it was already a huge step for her to ask for your help, to confide in Shepard about the nature of the person she hunted and eventually Samara's relationship with Morinth. So that "I don't want your pity"... hey, maybe she really meant it, but I think it was primarily a way of keeping Shepard at the distance she needed at that moment.

You make a good point. She has been dealing with the problem herself for hundreds of years and confides in Shepard that he/she is the only person Samara could imagine asking for help. In the end she still needs some time alone to fully get over the situation.

That's the reason i think the planned a Samara romance all along, they just didn't put it in ME 2 because the whole thing would just not seem right if you romanced her right away because of her needing time.

I don't think you'll be able to romance her until the very end of ME 3.

[DirtyVagrant]

BlackMetal wrote...
I don't think you'll be able to romance her until the very end of ME 3.

Guh, women! Only want you after you save the entire galaxy. Typical!

[BlackMetal]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...
I don't think you'll be able to romance her until the very end of ME 3.

Guh, women! Only want you after you save the entire galaxy. Typical!

I know right, why didn't Samara just say "Wanna ****" right when you meet Her?

[DirtyVagrant]

BlackMetal wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...
I don't think you'll be able to romance her until the very end of ME 3.

Guh, women! Only want you after you save the entire galaxy. Typical!

I know right, why didn't Samara just say "Wanna ****" right when you meet Her?

You can proposition her for casual sex during the "almost romance", which is... really ballsy and weird. Not done it myself, it seems too out of place for me, but I have seen a video of someone doing that dialogue option and she quite rightly turns Shepard down.

Modifié par DirtyVagrant, 27 mars 2010 - 01:02 .

[Whatcote Park]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I have made a mod for a Samara romance if anyone is interested. The dialog is there, it took me forever to find it.

ps: just kidding

haha...

[Keltoris]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I have made a mod for a Samara romance if anyone is interested. The dialog is there, it took me forever to find it.

ps: just kidding

http://i50.tinypic.c...I approve - Cat

[Ashira Shepard]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

I have made a mod for a Samara romance if anyone is interested. The dialog is there, it took me forever to find it.

ps: just kidding

That's just mean. I'll cry myself to sleep now...*sniffle*

ps: Get to page 40 you awesome people!

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 27 mars 2010 - 01:22 .

[Whatcote Park]

I have to retire for the night, but keep going. I expect page 40 when I wake up in the morning!

x

[7Makaveli]

The ending of her "almost romance" is interesting in that she leaves the room. Its almost like she knew if she stayed longer she would have given in to her feelings. Even with how strong she is she still needs to remove herself from the situation to maintain control of herself. I honestly thought that it wasn't over at that point, so when I found her in the crew's quarters I was a little disappointed you couldn't continue the conversation. I wonder if there was something in place for that particular scene that they cut out.



I also would love to see a comic or even fanfic about Samara's encounter with Nihlus the Spectre, who she chased through the jungles. Sounds like an awesome story.

[Keltoris]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Seriously though, I am sure we could get her in a romance scene, but probably not her voice.  So nevermind....
Edit:  Nobody here would want that.  Samara is too respected.

Indeed, real Samara with real voice and character or bust.

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...

The ending of her "almost romance" is interesting in that she leaves the room. Its almost like she knew if she stayed longer she would have given in to her feelings. Even with how strong she is she still needs to remove herself from the situation to maintain control of herself. I honestly thought that it wasn't over at that point, so when I found her in the crew's quarters I was a little disappointed you couldn't continue the conversation. I wonder if there was something in place for that particular scene that they cut out.

I also would love to see a comic or even fanfic about Samara's encounter with Nihlus the Spectre, who she chased through the jungles. Sounds like an awesome story.

I  didn't know that she could be found in the crew's quarters after that.  Huh.  Well, there is no bed in the Observation Deck, unless Samara sleeps on the couches in there.  She probably has a bunk in the crew's quarters (though there don't seem to be nearly enough beds for the whole crew).  She tells us that Justicars have little else other than their armor and their weapons.  It sounds like she went there to distance herself from Shepard, not because she's creeped out, but because she needs to regain composure.  She was so close to betraying everything that gives her the ability to continue on as she does.  In fact, your Shepard probably made things even worse for her by following her, from a roleplaying perspective .

If Bioware goes the DA:O route by showing the fate of the different characters by giving them each their own summary screen at the end of the game, it would be nice if there was one for Samara and Shepard, if Samara had no ME1 love-interest, and expressed his interest for Samara in ME2.  Some small trigger in ME3 would trigger the summary screen, stating that Samara and Shepard continued their duties at each other's side, and continue to do so long after the events of ME3.

yea all she says in the crew's quarters while staring out the window is "please...". Then she returns to the observation deck after an elevator ride. It was somewhat sad to see her that way, probably the one act she does that showed a little weakness, some realism in her character. She was quite moved, rather then disturbed I believe.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 27 mars 2010 - 02:07 .

[Rikketik]

Funny, I didn't know she really walked away from the scene to the Crew's Quarters. Then again, I've only seen it on YouTube. I always find myself going directly for the friendship option. I don't know if it will have consequences for ME3, but it just seems like the right thing to do.The dialogue that ensues is a bit on the short side compared to the attempt at romancing her, but someone like Samara saying that she'll always be there for you... Very powerful in its own right.