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[Ashira Shepard]

yorkj86 wrote...

Shepard's 31, not that the difference between 20 and 31 means anything when one has the Kirk Genes.

So apparently anyone who wants to "be" with Samara has Kirk Genes

You wound me good sir

[DOYOURLABS]

BlackMetal wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

Im not trying to come off as "I'm right your wrong" or anything like that, im laid back and was just stating my opinion on the matter.

Some Movie director's can make sex scenes that focus on passion and work well..... and then there are movies like Watchmen........

Don't worry you didn't come off that way. I never saw watchman so I don't know what you're referring too, I'm guessing it was a bad scene?

It was close to a porn flick Lol

Then maybe I should watch Watchman..ya know... for science. Was it a good movie overall? 

[Ashira Shepard]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

So, it's suffice to say that none of us want a sweaty X-rated romp in the sack with Samara in ME3?

That would make me uncomfortable...

*is weird*

[zvbxrpl]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Dominus5412 wrote...

Kasumi, the woman who makes a career from being cunning and observant, sounds as if she knows that Shepard made a mistake

This. I've only done the almost-kiss option once, and I felt weird about it. I wish there was an option to apologize.

http://images.tribe....32-5f1a060c145c

There's something wrong with me for not feeling the same as you guys...I just know it...

I. um, don't think there's anything terribly morally wrong with the almost-kiss.  Shepard and Samara are both into it until Samara thinks about whether she's actually ready to do this, given her past, and she pulls back.  A lot of very old, very powerful feelings show up, and she freaks out.  It's actually very realistic, in that no one is really in the wrong, but there are nonetheless impediments that can't be ignored.  Or, to quote Dire Straits, "There's a place for us, like in that movie song/When you gonna realize that it's just that the time was wrong."  I think that, as much of a bummer as it is, it's also very believable that Samara will repress her feelings for Shepard if she acknowledges them suddenly (as with the almost-kiss), rather than if she has some space to think about them without feeling any urgency.  And it's worth noting that that urgency may well come more from four centuries of solitude and emotional isolation suddenly catching up with her upon having her lips about two inches from Shepard's than from any external pressure of "Shepard likes me, what do I do?"

So, yeah, you shouldn't really feel guilty.  There isn't really a right or a wrong answer to this so much as one that works out and one that doesn't.

[DOYOURLABS]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

So, it's suffice to say that none of us want a sweaty X-rated romp in the sack with Samara in ME3?

I doubt that would work with her character... unless that is somehow connected to the code... 9th pledge of sweaty x-rated romping maybe?

Modifié par DOYOURLABS, 11 juillet 2010 - 04:00 .

[Ashira Shepard]

zvbxrpl wrote...
I. um, don't think there's anything terribly morally wrong with the almost-kiss.  Shepard and Samara are both into it until Samara thinks about whether she's actually ready to do this, given her past, and she pulls back.  A lot of very old, very powerful feelings show up, and she freaks out.  It's actually very realistic, in that no one is really in the wrong, but there are nonetheless impediments that can't be ignored.  Or, to quote Dire Straits, "There's a place for us, like in that movie song/When you gonna realize that it's just that the time was wrong."  I think that, as much of a bummer as it is, it's also very believable that Samara will repress her feelings for Shepard if she acknowledges them suddenly (as with the almost-kiss), rather than if she has some space to think about them without feeling any urgency.  And it's worth noting that that urgency may well come more from four centuries of solitude and emotional isolation suddenly catching up with her upon having her lips about two inches from Shepard's than from any external pressure of "Shepard likes me, what do I do?"

So, yeah, you shouldn't really feel guilty.  There isn't really a right or a wrong answer to this so much as one that works out and one that doesn't.

I do believe you just worded exactly how I felt about the situation. Thank you!

I'm never good at putting this stuff into words

The Commander gave the slightest smile, "why? Because of your Code?" her
voice lowered, and her smile faded to a serious look. "Or because I'm
not the only one afraid to let someone in?"

Unless I'm writing, but that's a different thing altogether.

[BlackMetal]

yorkj86 wrote...

zvbxrpl wrote...

I. um, don't think there's anything terribly morally wrong with the almost-kiss.  Shepard and Samara are both into it until Samara thinks about whether she's actually ready to do this, given her past, and she pulls back.  A lot of very old, very powerful feelings show up, and she freaks out.  It's actually very realistic, in that no one is really in the wrong, but there are nonetheless impediments that can't be ignored.  Or, to quote Dire Straits, "There's a place for us, like in that movie song/When you gonna realize that it's just that the time was wrong."  I think that, as much of a bummer as it is, it's also very believable that Samara will repress her feelings for Shepard if she acknowledges them suddenly (as with the almost-kiss), rather than if she has some space to think about them without feeling any urgency.  And it's worth noting that that urgency may well come more from four centuries of solitude and emotional isolation suddenly catching up with her upon having her lips about two inches from Shepard's than from any external pressure of "Shepard likes me, what do I do?"

So, yeah, you shouldn't really feel guilty.  There isn't really a right or a wrong answer to this so much as one that works out and one that doesn't.

But do you think that it's possible for Shepard to respect her character in pressing her on the matter of her feelings?    It's not exactly hidden information that she's not interested in intimacy and a relationship.  She flat-out tells Shepard that.

She doesn't full on deny it though, meaning she possible is interested in it.

[BlackMetal]

yorkj86 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

She doesn't full on deny it though, meaning she possible is interested in it.

At what point?  During the "romance" scene?  If so, that's meta-gaming.  If before, Shepard only knows that she says that she's not interested.

Durning the romance scene she talks about how she would be happy with you, and the almost kiss itself points to a conclusion that she is somewhat interested.

[BlackMetal]

yorkj86 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

She doesn't full on deny it though, meaning she possible is interested in it.

At what point?  During the "romance" scene?  If so, that's meta-gaming.  If before, Shepard only knows that she says that she's not interested.

Durning the romance scene she talks about how she would be happy with you, and the almost kiss itself points to a conclusion that she is somewhat interested.

That's my point.  Before then, Shepard has no clue that she is actually interested in him.  Only after he pushes her, does she admit that she has feelings, and this brings me back to my original question:

Can Shepard respect Samara's character in pushing her about her feelings, knowing that she told him that she is not interested in a relationship?

He pushes her because he knows she likes him.

[zvbxrpl]

yorkj86 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

She doesn't full on deny it though, meaning she possible is interested in it.

At what point?  During the "romance" scene?  If so, that's meta-gaming.  If before, Shepard only knows that she says that she's not interested.

Durning the romance scene she talks about how she would be happy with you, and the almost kiss itself points to a conclusion that she is somewhat interested.

That's my point.  Before then, Shepard has no clue that she is actually interested in him.  Only after he pushes her, does she admit that she has feelings, and this brings me back to my original question:

Can Shepard respect Samara's character in pushing her about her feelings, knowing that she told him that she is not interested in a relationship?

But is it pushing to try to find out if somebody for whom you have feelings has similar feelings?

Or is that not what happened, even in the paragon option?  I haven't done a playthrough since about late March...

[NICKjnp]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

So, it's suffice to say that none of us want a sweaty X-rated romp in the sack with Samara in ME3?

G-rated... like Dragon Age underwear scenes ... j/k.

[zvbxrpl]

yorkj86 wrote...

zvbxrpl wrote...

But is it pushing to try to find out if somebody for whom you have feelings has similar feelings?

Or is that not what happened, even in the paragon option?  I haven't done a playthrough since about late March...

Why should her feelings be at all pertinent (and I don't mean that in a callous way, I mean that in the way that they might be irrelevant to our considerations), if she's plainly told him that she's not interested in a relationship?  Again, this brings me back to my question.

Well, I'd suggest that perhaps she is saying "I'm not interested," when she means "I think I shouldn't, even though I want to."

Now, it's pretty clear that, at the time she's saying this, she absolutely shouldn't be in a relationship.  I mean, she did just kill the big reminder of why her engaging in romance and sex should be viewed with caution, suspicion, and general self-denial.

Still, I imagine that, after the events of the loyalty mission, she is going to be wrestling with the issues that have been constants in her life for four centuries or more.  That's exactly why going for the almost-kiss is really going to upset her and why having space regarding Shepard is so essential.

Or maybe she really isn't interested.  Even so, after her loyalty mission, it makes sense that Samara would be in a transitional phase.

But she could genuinely have become content, as well--that's the hard part about trying to get into Samara's head: she is just so very reserved that what she really feels or wants could be what she's saying, or it could be something much more convoluted and murky.  Either she has excellent control of her emotions and is genuinely serene, or her calm is only the surface of a secretly very conflicted woman (perhaps she even sees herself as calmer than she is).  I know I identify more with the latter state of mind.  Still, I'm 19 and Samara's 800-ish.  So who knows?

[DirtyVagrant]

Saving the galaxy doesn't get you chicks any more? Man, Samara is stubborn.

[zvbxrpl]

York, the timing is a significant thorn in that whole conversation. I chalk it up to formulaic game design, and as I've been saying, possibly in too many words, that the death of Samara's child, seing as said child was in some ways the trigger for her becoming a justicar, and in general is the root of at least a few unresolved emotional issues, may well throw a lot of what Samara knows about herself into question.



Still, I think your post makes me understand better why even the paragon option can be validly read in a way that makes Shepard's behavior seem at the very least impolite, and more than likely outright opportunistic.



P.S. This is a very interesting line of discussion, but where I live it's 2:37 AM. If I suddenly stop posting, it's because I can't stay awake any longer, not because I'm being disrespectful.

[BlackMetal]

It makes sense why Samara may be questioning her keeping away from others after a shock like that of killing your own child.

[7Makaveli]

AshiraShepard wrote...



I adore strong, "mystical" and/or mysterious female characters.

This sums it up for me...that's all folks *starts walking out*



oh wait, um, I'd like to romance Samara in ME3 BAI NOW! *runs*

[BlackMetal]

7Makaveli wrote...
oh wait, um, I'd like to romance Samara in ME3 BAI NOW! *runs*

I support this.

*Grabs Pipe and Runs away*