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[Ashira Shepard]

Chapter Six of Pariah



@Flamewielder,

Hm, I didn't think about it like that :<

Shame on me then ^^;;

[Arhka]

Ashira, your avatar sort of creeps me out, didn't expect it to blink.



Anyway, in Mass Effect 3, if Liara does join back up with you, do you think Samara would take action against her or hunt her? Liara's past actions as a information broker may have tripped some stuff in Samara's code.

[DOYOURLABS]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Hmm, page 400, well done guys : )

"On Topic"

This thought came to me just as I was waking up, when on Virmire, if you look around a bit, you can find a bunch of Salarians whose minds have been destroyed from indoctrination.

Now, in this instance, you either leave them "paragon"

Or you can perform a Mercy Kill on them "renegade"

I've only taken Liara, Wrex and Garrus with me on Virmire. But Wrex greatly approves of putting them out of their misery, because he himself would want to be killed if he was reduced to that state.

Garrus and Liara are greatly uncomfortable with Shepard considering and then performing the Mercy Kill, which is a clean headshot to each of the Salarians.

So how do you think Samara would react to this situation if she were there or in such a situation by herself?

She would probably let them out. A nuclear blast would kill them painlessly if they weren't mentally sane and just stood there when they were released, and indoctrination left them on about the same level as husks, so they would not be much of a threat if they turned violent.

She wouldn't have time to judge if the salarians were vegetables or just in shock, so by killing them she is risking killing perfectly fine people. And they were made this way by indoctrination, therefore they are innocents. The justicar code compels her to protect the innocent, and leaving them to die in a nuclear blast isn't really protecting them. She wouldn't need to personally escort them away from the base, but letting them out at least gives them a chance.

[BlackMetal]

I was playing Dragon Age last night and i was thinking that they should have some sort of better approval/disapproval system in ME 3. Like if you are a renegade character Samara would want to kill you; and other things like if you make many decisions favoring Genophage Wrex would want to kill you.

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

What was the fanfic?
Samara-related?

Yes, wanted to surprise you all with it, but too bad I gotta start all over again with little memory of it cause I wrote it late at night

AshiraShepard wrote...

Chapter Six of Pariah

*pounces up and down with joy*  :3

I will be reading this soon, and so should everybody else!

[BlackMetal]

yorkj86 wrote...

BlackMetal wrote...

I was playing Dragon Age last night and i was thinking that they should have some sort of better approval/disapproval system in ME 3. Like if you are a renegade character Samara would want to kill you; and other things like if you make many decisions favoring Genophage Wrex would want to kill you.

They explained this away in ME2 with Samara and the Third Oath.  I wish she would have left, or attacked a Shepard, if he did something that compels her to action, like Leliana attacking the protagonist in DA.

I only ever had Sten attack me in DA but i've had other characters leave before  but this was a system i really like because it is more realistic.

[NICKjnp]

I have a question for everyone (it is Samara and Morinth related... not genetics). Do you think the Samara/Morinth loyalty outfit was made more for Morinth rather than Samara since it suits more of Morinth's coloring and dark "hot topic" styling rather than Samara's regal and demure styling?

[7Makaveli]

^ not farfetched to assume the black dress is a reference to Morinth in some way, NICK. I've read people say that the black dress symbolizes that Morinth does win the standoff one way or the other, with the black dress being symbolic of her mind control over you forgot where I read that...


AHEM! well I managed to complete this little fanfic of mine, my first one , and it does revolve around Shepard and Samara.

hope you all enjoy and do please offer your thoughts, whether compliments or criticism of any kind.

Kin & Companionship

In some ways I do wanna distill the themes of this piece, but I'd like to know what everyone else thinks it is since its really no secret

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 17 juillet 2010 - 08:02 .

[Flamewielder]

NICKjnp wrote...

I have a question for everyone (it is Samara and Morinth related... not genetics). Do you think the Samara/Morinth loyalty outfit was made more for Morinth rather than Samara since it suits more of Morinth's coloring and dark "hot topic" styling rather than Samara's regal and demure styling?

I felt the black outfit was the more sober of the two, an appropriate colour to someone in mourning... oh well...

[DOYOURLABS]

7Makaveli wrote...

^ not farfetched to assume the black dress is a reference to Morinth in some way, NICK. I've read people say that the black dress symbolizes that Morinth does win the standoff one way or the other, with the black dress being symbolic of her mind control over you forgot where I read that...


AHEM! well I managed to complete this little fanfic of mine, my first one , and it does revolve around Shepard and Samara.

hope you all enjoy and do please offer your thoughts, whether compliments or criticism of any kind.

Kin & Companionship

In some ways I do wanna distill the themes of this piece, but I'd like to know what everyone else thinks it is since its really no secret

Very nice . Drunk Garrus FTW

[DOYOURLABS]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

  However, correct me if I am wrong, but aren't we suppose to assume that they are indeed vegetables?

I suppose so, but I would think their condition could have been trauma due to the experiments that were going on there. You would have to take the risk you are dooming perfectly fine salaraians if you leave them in there, especially if you have no prior knowledge to the effect of indoctrination. 

Modifié par DOYOURLABS, 17 juillet 2010 - 09:40 .

[Flamewielder]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

  However, correct me if I am wrong, but aren't we suppose to assume that they are indeed vegetables?

I suppose so, but I would think their condition could have been trauma due to the experiments that were going on there. You would have to take the risk you are dooming perfectly fine salaraians if you leave them in there, especially if you have no prior knowledge to the effect of indoctrination. 

Since the mindless salarians are discovered AFTER you've discussed indoctrination with Rana Thanoptis (the asari researcher), the natural assumption is that indoctrination is to blame and therefore their condition is ultimately irreversible.

They may however have enough of their minds left to remember to drink/eat, fight/flight reflexes, etc... so freeing them is better than leaving them locked up, I guess... but unlike Rana Thanopsis, they likely didn't escape the blast.

Saving as many salarian STG's as possible from the diversionary team while destroying the cloning facility is the most paragon option and likely what Samara would try to achieve.

[DOYOURLABS]

Flamewielder wrote...

Since the mindless salarians are discovered AFTER you've discussed indoctrination with Rana Thanoptis (the asari researcher), the natural assumption is that indoctrination is to blame and therefore their condition is ultimately irreversible.

Actually it is right before you meet Rana. 

 Saving as many salarian STG's as possible from the diversionary team while destroying the cloning facility is the most paragon option and likely what Samara would try to achieve.

Exactly. Leaving them to die in a blast, vegetable or otherwise, is still unjust. She has to protect the innocent, and from her story about Nihlus, we know that she puts protecting the innocent above punishing the criminals.

Modifié par DOYOURLABS, 17 juillet 2010 - 10:40 .

[Flamewielder]

DOYOURLABS wrote...
Actually it is right before you meet Rana. 

Was it? It's been a while...

Exactly. Leaving them to die in a blast, vegetable or otherwise, is still unjust. She has to protect the innocent, and from her story about Nihlus, we know that she puts protecting the innocent above punishing the criminals.

She would balance the lives of a a few brain-damaged salarians against the lives of Capt. Kirrahe and his men, plus however many innocents Saren and his Krogan clone cohorts could eventually slaughter. Under the circumstances, the best one can do is free the poor bastards and hope they wander off far enough to escape the blast since they won't follow you around to escape on the Normandy.

[Kudara]

7Makaveli wrote...

^ not farfetched to assume the black dress is a reference to Morinth in some way, NICK. I've read people say that the black dress symbolizes that Morinth does win the standoff one way or the other, with the black dress being symbolic of her mind control over you forgot where I read that...


AHEM! well I managed to complete this little fanfic of mine, my first one , and it does revolve around Shepard and Samara.

hope you all enjoy and do please offer your thoughts, whether compliments or criticism of any kind.

Kin & Companionship

In some ways I do wanna distill the themes of this piece, but I'd like to know what everyone else thinks it is since its really no secret

Very nicely done Makaveli, I liked the tone throughout the piece and Shepard's uncertainity and determination as he interacted with her.

[Ashira Shepard]

Heehee, I love it when you guys get into the conversation :3



*cough* On a seperate note, and not entirely on topic, but story idea-ish...



Came to me while I was drinking some tea, a way for ME3 to end, and I'm sure I've seen some variation or exact replica of the idea a dozen different times. Most recently from WoW. *ahem* To the point.



Say if Harbinger is the one who ultimately has power over the Reapers as a whole, and in some horrible, thought of last, twist; at his core is the last living member of the species who built them. (assuming that the Reapers long, long, LONG ago started out like the Geth) This ancient creature - suspended in some kind of glowing field (because everything is better with glowing) - has been kept alive by the technology and has lost its fight in keeping the Reapers "in check." resonably speaking. But the last time *with the protheans* lost it completely, which is why they suceeded.



I know I'm losing you, but keep reading, my insanity has a point. 8D



If Shepard and Co. have battled their way to Harbinger's core, and they can't destroy Harbinger because doing so will completely unchain the Reapers (and make them even worse if that's possible) would the "Paragon" choice be to take their place in that field and be the one to pull on the Reaper's leash for eternity?



In this instance I can see an LI refusing to leave Shepard to fight it alone. Cue teary eyed drama or some such before heroic selfless moment.



(renegade would naturally be taking their place but to control the reapers for humanity or something...because that would make so much sense, jk)



*hides*