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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:40

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Someone is always going to be on top. That is the way it has always been since the beginning of recorded history.  Of course the paragon ME story would have you believe otherwise, but that isn't how it works in reality.

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 27 juillet 2010 - 08:43 .

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:42

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

Someone is always going to be on top. That is the way it has always been since the beginning of recorded history.  Of course the ME story would have you believe otherwise, but that isn't how it works in reality.


Anyone who has an appreciation for RPGs can tell that Bioware has made a grave storytelling mistake.  Is it an RPG if the player's choices are canonically un-done?

#10453
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:45

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Really, though, who cares about what happens in some comic book?

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:46

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yorkj86 wrote...
Anyone who has an appreciation for RPGs can tell that Bioware has made a grave storytelling mistake.  Is it an RPG if the player's choices are canonically un-done?

It depends on what you want from the RPG I suppose.  Do you want what appears to be  more realistic ramifications for your choices that you make, or an idealistic perfect utopia?

Edit:  I may have not understood the context of your question though, york.

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 27 juillet 2010 - 08:49 .

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:48

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DOYOURLABS wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

I'll never be reading any of the books, so would you mind PMing me what horrifying thing you just read?

I will once I'm sure it is a permanent thing.


PM it to me too!

#10456
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:50

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adriano_c wrote...

Really, though, who cares about what happens in some comic book?


That's what I've been wondering. I'm really fine either way, but we can't be sure right now whether this is canon. I've never read any of the comics but I know there's stuff thats happened in them that's barely made a wrinkle so far in the game.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 27 juillet 2010 - 08:50 .

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:50

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I'm all for having the book canon if it makes it better. I so far love the book, though I am saving the ending for the beach tomorrow. It seems like Drew only made a few parts canon, just to make the story fit. I would highly recommend this book.

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:54

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
Anyone who has an appreciation for RPGs can tell that Bioware has made a grave storytelling mistake.  Is it an RPG if the player's choices are canonically un-done?

It depends on what you want from the RPG I suppose.  Do you want what appears to be  more realistic ramifications for your choices that you make, or an idealistic perfect utopia?

Edit:  I may have not understood the context of your question though, york.


I'd want for my choices to matter, before anything.  Thus, why I mentioned earlier, that the writers are telling the people who saved the Council that they chose wrong.   It wouldn't be so bad, if it was followed up with an RPG element - you chose to save the Council, and people who did so have to suffer some great consequence and setback.   Instead, it's just a retcon.

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:55

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adriano_c wrote...

Really, though, who cares about what happens in some comic book?


Novel, not comic book.  This isn't EU, this is imposing canon on the plot.

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Ashira Shepard
Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:57

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adriano_c wrote...

humans > alien scum


I hope to hell and back that you're joking <_<

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:59

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yorkj86 wrote...

Novel, not comic book.  This isn't EU, this is imposing canon on the plot.


Oh, thought it was something to do with this -

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect:_Redemption

Modifié par adriano_c, 27 juillet 2010 - 08:59 .

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:01

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adriano_c wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Novel, not comic book.  This isn't EU, this is imposing canon on the plot.


Oh, thought it was something to do with this -

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect:_Redemption


"Redemption" is EU.  It adds a greater understanding of events that the player did not see, without directly affecting the plot. 

"Retribution" affects the plot directly.

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:02

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...and what's "EU"?

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:02

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yorkj86 wrote...
I'd want for my choices to matter, before anything.  Thus, why I mentioned earlier, that the writers are telling the people who saved the Council that they chose wrong.   It wouldn't be so bad, if it was followed up with an RPG element - you chose to save the Council, and people who did so have to suffer some great consequence and setback.   Instead, it's just a retcon.

What is the timetable/timeframe of "Redemption"?  This is what we are talking about right?

Modifié par JohnnyDollar, 27 juillet 2010 - 09:03 .

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:03

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AshiraShepard wrote...

adriano_c wrote...

humans > alien scum


I hope to hell and back that you're joking <_<


Intentionally ironic post!

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:03

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adriano_c wrote...

...and what's "EU"?


Expanded Universe

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:04

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
I'd want for my choices to matter, before anything.  Thus, why I mentioned earlier, that the writers are telling the people who saved the Council that they chose wrong.   It wouldn't be so bad, if it was followed up with an RPG element - you chose to save the Council, and people who did so have to suffer some great consequence and setback.   Instead, it's just a retcon.

What is the timetable/timeframe of "Redemption"?  This is what we are talking about right?


We're talking about the novel, "Retribution".  "Redemption" is a comic book series, that focuses on Liara dealing with the Shadow Broker to get Shepard's body.  "Redemption" and "Retribution" are two different things.

Modifié par yorkj86, 27 juillet 2010 - 09:05 .

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:05

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oh, I was under the impression that this and Redemption were connected...now I don't know whats going on...

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 27 juillet 2010 - 09:06 .

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:06

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When does "Retribution" occur? What time frame in the ME universe?

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:06

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

When does "Retribution" occur? What time frame in the ME universe?


Between ME2 and ME3.

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:07

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We should take this to the Samara discussion group, since it isn't on-topic of Samara.

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:07

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JohnnyDollar wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
I'd want for my choices to matter, before anything.  Thus, why I mentioned earlier, that the writers are telling the people who saved the Council that they chose wrong.   It wouldn't be so bad, if it was followed up with an RPG element - you chose to save the Council, and people who did so have to suffer some great consequence and setback.   Instead, it's just a retcon.

What is the timetable/timeframe of "Redemption"?  This is what we are talking about right?

We are discussing the canonization of Retribution, the new novel by Drew Karpyshyn. It takes place after the events of ME2. I am on the fence about it, I think it made it a better novel, but how will they explain it in ME3? Which I doubt it will even come up, because none of the other novels are mentioned other than by "buying" them in the zakera cafe.

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:08

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yorkj86 wrote...

adriano_c wrote...

...and what's "EU"?


Expanded Universe


Well, regardless, I'm skeptical Bioware even cares enough to hire a continuity editor for the "story" of the game, so it shouldn't be an issue.

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:08

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yorkj86 wrote...

We should take this to the Samara discussion group, since it isn't on-topic of Samara.


(batman music in the background) To the Samara cave...

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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:09

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I created a thread in the Samara discussion group.
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