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[Flamewielder]

Bioware wants to release ME3  before the XBox360 gets replaced by the next generation of consoles. This is encouraging as it implies ME3 will likely run on any PC able to run ME2. They've streamlined the level-creation process and have come up with a workable (not perfect, I know) DLC system. The have managed a visually sleek graphic product that really doesn't need much improvement.

The point is, most of the technical stuff is set-up an working. No need to re-invent the wheel. This leaves the way clear for more in-depth story and character development. Some people are worried that writing and voice acting for potentially deceased characters makes no sense, that it's too expensive, etc...

Personally, I think the Mass Effect team knew very well what they were getting into and WILL write all the characters back in. It's part of the challenge they originally set themselves when they created the Mass Effect IP. None of us have seen the contracts for the voice actors, after all... For all we know, they've already signed up for ME2 and ME3 at the same time, possibly being paid a retainer fee. NOT to have done so with such an all-star cast would have been unwise from a business perspective.

Sooo... I expect Samara will be returning, as will all the other characters, because in the end, it's not THAT expensive or complicated. It is the most satisfying option for ALL players/customers...

[Rikketik]

Well, she's a Justicar for over 400 years now. There must have been something, someone besides Morinth that can come back for in ME3? Unfinished business maybe? Like Aria says on Omega: there are a lot of people in the universe with looong memories and my guess is that Samara encountered quite a few during her travels.



The only risk is that it will come off forced. Like they had to think of something for Samara in ME3 and decided they will bring in a long forgotten friend/foe so she has a reason to be with Shepard, other than saving the galaxy of the Reapers, of course. Still, it's a viable option I think and the succes (believability) depends for a large part on BioWare's writing.

[BlackMetal]

yorkj86 wrote...

If Bioware goes all-out with ME3, everyone who has ever played and enjoyed a ME game will have a reason to buy the final installment. It's really that simple. Spend money, make money.

Unfortunately, I can't think of what else Bioware could do with Samara's character in terms of development, apart from developing her romantically, if the company decides to go that way with her. She's an incredible and invaluable companion for a Paragon Shepard, but what else is there to do with her? Bioware would be playing right in to the hands of critics of Samara's character who say that she's plain, boring and unnecessary if they were to leave out any of her development in ME3.

I doubt they won't futher develop her in ME 3, she's got so much emotion that's buried i think they could do great things with it in.

[Flamewielder]

yorkj86 wrote...

If Bioware goes all-out with ME3, everyone who has ever played and enjoyed a ME game will have a reason to buy the final installment. It's really that simple. Spend money, make money.

Unfortunately, I can't think of what else Bioware could do with Samara's character in terms of development, apart from developing her romantically, if the company decides to go that way with her. She's an incredible and invaluable companion for a Paragon Shepard, but what else is there to do with her? Bioware would be playing right in to the hands of critics of Samara's character who say that she's plain, boring and unnecessary if they were to leave out any of her development in ME3.

And why would it have to be romantically? Samara's lived long enough to witness many "historical events" first hand. I hardly think we've even scratched the surface of the character... My male Shepard never romanced Kaidan yet I thought his story was interesting. Some will say he was a whiner, I certainly didn't get that impression.

I'd argue any writer worth his/her salt could create something out of Samara for ME3. Such as paying a visit to the Asari Councillor and testifying to what she saw on the Collector base, for instance... "Tell me, Councillor: are you doubting the word of a Justicar? Pray consider your answer VERY carefully..."

An Asari Justicar would present an interesting challenge to Council politicians, especially Asari ones... Politicians have to compromise a lot in order for a Councilar/democratic system to work, some of these compromises might not be considered morally acceptable by the standards of the Code... The Nos Astra police was certainly happy to see Samara leaving! I rather think there's lots of room left for Samara's understated brand of commentary.

Do Justicars act in concert when a threat is considered too large to be handled by a single individual? Will the Justicar order be a "recruitable faction" in ME3? Will Samara play a role similar to Tali or Legion, as a liaison with the asari species? Have we aslo explored all the possible squadmate interaction possibilities? I rather think we haven't... which I think sounds rather promising for ME3.

[Flamewielder]

My... the Samara love is positively oozing lately! 42 pages?

[7Makaveli]

I am curious of what the political implications could be for having a Justicar loyal to you. She should be able to grant you considerable credibility especially among Asari, who will likely play a large role in ME3

[Whatcote Park]

I'm just wondering what they are going to do in regards to squadmembers. I am pretty 100% sure that Liara will be a squadmember, as she is not only popular, but also the only character who cannot die in either me1 or 2. As to the rest of the potential squad, unless they introduce an entirely new crew, which i hope is unlikely since they wouldnt have time to introduce new characters and get away with it (fans...), then they will have to reuse me1 and 2 squaddies. Considering all of them can die (exception liara), then it looks like they are gonna be busy. I mean do you really think they are going to leave tali out given her huge fan base (ps. I still dont get her popularity...)?

I think this bodes well for samara, or at least I hope it does anyway!

[adriano_c]

...that's gotta hurt!

[Rikketik]

That Turian Councillor pretty much called Shepard a retard. I wonder what will happen if he does the same thing when Samara steps in to the ring. We all've heard how Samara won't hesitate to kill an 'innocent' person when here code demands it. But we never see her actually do it. I wonder if being called mentally unstable is enough for Samara to kill the guy.

And it would be really cool if Samara could get that Asari Councillor on Shepards side. I always thought she was the most reasonable of the three Councillors and the one who was willing to help Shepard the most. Maybe, when a Justicar finally gives her a valid reason to act wholly in favor of Shepard...

Salarian: "We need proof of you being a Justicar."
Turian: "Ah yes, "a Justicar". As a matter of fact, I've dismissed that claim. Just now, in the blink of an eye."
The Asari Councillor, slowly looking at the men beside her, thinking of what to do, then finally making a decision: "Screw you guys, I'm with Shepard."
Then the Asari steps right out of the hologram...
Turian: "Lolwut?"
...and leaves with Shepard on the Normandy. And becomes a LI, yay.

[Ashira Shepard]

I notice with that image, that when Morinth dies, her eyes are wide open the second before she dies; as if in fear. (when you don't have the magic of split-second screenshots, it looks like that)

When Samara dies, her eyes are resolutely shut.

As far as ME3 squaddies go...I'm hoping that most if not all will return. Given that Bioware must realise that everyone will desperately be trying to get the "No One Left Behind" achievement. So by the time ME3 comes out, 95% of players at least should have a playthrough where the whole team is alive.

Walkthroughs, peer advice, doing your bloody homework = All Squaddies Live for ME3.

Edit: Oh and Rikketik? *laughs. hard* XD

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 27 mars 2010 - 05:01 .

[XyleJKH]

I really hope they do not make her a love interest. I love the fact that bioware listens to fans but bowing to every whim is a bit much. Its cool that they made two of ME1 characters love interests, but making every possible character a love interest is a bit much. I mean, why not make a love interest for Legion? Or the Doctor? Seems to get very repetitive. I dont think it would be very likely Samara would be interested in that stage of her life. She just needs a friend. However I have this feeling Samara might not be a squadmate for Mass Effect 3, after she mentioned she might go to Omega and clean the place up. Maybe she will even end up running the place

[BlackMetal]

yorkj86 wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...
Here we go!

It hurts me when she says, "Don't pursue this, please."

When she turns Shepard down for the final time and puts a hand on his shoulder before walking away, you can almost see her uncertainy in her eyes, though she remains calm and composed.  Samara is flattered that Shepard would be so forward with her, but she's probably in mental torment because of how close she came to violating her tenets.

It isn't because of the Code, the code doesn't forbid romantic involvement. It's because that was a part of her life so long ago she has completely shut it out, and then Shepard comes along.....

[7Makaveli]

At the end of the day Samara is probably the most religious/spiritual squadmate we have come across. So I'm glad that this part of her was fleshed out the most. As much as she seeks justice, as powerful a fighter as she is, she is strictly bound by this Code in regards to all her actions. Its not as simple as she just adheres to the black and white in all things, but rather how she is continue on when her interpretations are highly ambiguous.

[Flamewielder]

yorkj86 wrote...
It doesn't forbid romantic involvement, but in other conversations she says that she's not interested in anything that would interfere with her duties as a Justicar.  Anyone who respects her should be willing to put aside their feelings for her for this reason.

I agree. That's why my Shepards have opted for friendship...

...but the mere fact that she is troubled by the possibility of romantic involvement suggests an inner struggle with her emotions. She has feelings for Shepard, feelings she is relieved not having to struggle with when Shepard tells her she's become a dear friend (as opposed to a romantic interest).

There's a lot of potential in there for a skilled writer to expand on an apparent Samara-Shepard friendship while carefully wording the dialog to give the player a glimpse of the profound love that is hidden below the friendly surface of the blue ocean of Samara's eyes... but is never made explicit. Perhaps an unrequieted love, such as Lennier's devotion to Delenn in B5, should Shepard be romantically involved with another character.

Take notes, BW writers... there's a challenge for ya!