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[ADLegend21]

yorkj86 wrote...

Dat jaw. I do like it. I don't remember anyone impressing me more than Samara did, when I first met her.

^This. i played Me2 first so I was hoping I could romance her with ym first ever Shepard but she shot me down "another time, another life" at elast she's good for heloing me take down collectors with throw and reave

[DOYOURLABS]

Reave is without question the coolest looking power. It's the only special power my shep's use, because it is so useful on everything.

[Siansonea]

Dat characterization.

I don't think I really appreciated Samara until after I had completed my first playthrough. I initially assumed she was an LI, the requisite asari-who-wants-Shepard's-wiener, because of her overtly sexy appearance. I was pleased to see that she was a much more fully-realized character, and that her conversations had more depth than most of the other squad mates. In fact, I can't think of any other squad mate whose interactions with Shepard compare to the realism that Samara's have. I was really disappointed in Tali and Garrus' conversations with Shepard, for returning characters, there really wasn't a whole lot of non-LI conversation. Thane's is okay, but it seemed odd to me for him to open up to Shepard like that. Miranda and Jacob have very little meaningful conversation with Shepard, and they never really talk about anything important, and even their LI dialogue is brief and somewhat pointless. Jack is a ball of rage and insecurity, and while it makes for lively conversation, it can be unsatisfying after a while. I always wonder what she would talk about if she had already dealt with her personal demons, what issues would matter to her. Grunt's conversations are pretty basic, but he's just a baby, so it's to be expected. Mordin's conversations probably come the closest to Samara's as far as
depth and realism, his observations about the morality of the genophage
and whatnot are intriguing, and he and Shepard are actually talking
about things that matter. I also like Legion's conversations with
Shepard, but they are few and brief.

[ADLegend21]

Siansonea II wrote...

Dat characterization.

I don't think I really appreciated Samara until after I had completed my first playthrough. I initially assumed she was an LI, the requisite asari-who-wants-Shepard's-wiener, because of her overtly sexy appearance. I was pleased to see that she was a much more fully-realized character, and that her conversations had more depth than most of the other squad mates. In fact, I can't think of any other squad mate whose interactions with Shepard compare to the realism that Samara's have. I was really disappointed in Tali and Garrus' conversations with Shepard, for returning characters, there really wasn't a whole lot of non-LI conversation. Thane's is okay, but it seemed odd to me for him to open up to Shepard like that. Miranda and Jacob have very little meaningful conversation with Shepard, and they never really talk about anything important, and even their LI dialogue is brief and somewhat pointless. Jack is a ball of rage and insecurity, and while it makes for lively conversation, it can be unsatisfying after a while. I always wonder what she would talk about if she had already dealt with her personal demons, what issues would matter to her. Grunt's conversations are pretty basic, but he's just a baby, so it's to be expected. Mordin's conversations probably come the closest to Samara's as far as
depth and realism, his observations about the morality of the genophage
and whatnot are intriguing, and he and Shepard are actually talking
about things that matter. I also like Legion's conversations with
Shepard, but they are few and brief.

I agree with these points aswell. although I was kinda of disappointed with how she treats a renagade Shepard when they use the "we have a connection" line. Shepard does what he/she does for the good of the galazy and she goes and says "when I am released form my oath I will kill you" so much for defeating the reapers in me3 for renegades...

[Siansonea]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Dat characterization.

I don't think I really appreciated Samara until after I had completed my first playthrough. I initially assumed she was an LI, the requisite asari-who-wants-Shepard's-wiener, because of her overtly sexy appearance. I was pleased to see that she was a much more fully-realized character, and that her conversations had more depth than most of the other squad mates. In fact, I can't think of any other squad mate whose interactions with Shepard compare to the realism that Samara's have. I was really disappointed in Tali and Garrus' conversations with Shepard, for returning characters, there really wasn't a whole lot of non-LI conversation. Thane's is okay, but it seemed odd to me for him to open up to Shepard like that. Miranda and Jacob have very little meaningful conversation with Shepard, and they never really talk about anything important, and even their LI dialogue is brief and somewhat pointless. Jack is a ball of rage and insecurity, and while it makes for lively conversation, it can be unsatisfying after a while. I always wonder what she would talk about if she had already dealt with her personal demons, what issues would matter to her. Grunt's conversations are pretty basic, but he's just a baby, so it's to be expected. Mordin's conversations probably come the closest to Samara's as far as
depth and realism, his observations about the morality of the genophage
and whatnot are intriguing, and he and Shepard are actually talking
about things that matter. I also like Legion's conversations with
Shepard, but they are few and brief.

I agree with these points aswell. although I was kinda of disappointed with how she treats a renagade Shepard when they use the "we have a connection" line. Shepard does what he/she does for the good of the galazy and she goes and says "when I am released form my oath I will kill you" so much for defeating the reapers in me3 for renegades...

Her Justicar Code is incontrovertible, though. She can't let 'shades of grey' come into the equation. If she acts in accordance with the Code, she is just; if she does not, she is unjust. If Shepard murders innocents 'for the greater good', he/she is no better than the Reapers, according to the Code. The Code is who Samara is, and Shepard knew that when he/she recruited Samara. Shepard can't sweet-talk or brow-beat his way out of the consequences. I like that aspect of Samara's character, too many people in the game are heavily influenced by Shepard, Samara not so much.

Personally I think that if Shepard doesn't go about saving the galaxy the right way, maybe the galaxy isn't worth saving.

[DOYOURLABS]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I agree with these points aswell. although I was kinda of disappointed with how she treats a renagade Shepard when they use the "we have a connection" line. Shepard does what he/she does for the good of the galazy and she goes and says "when I am released form my oath I will kill you" so much for defeating the reapers in me3 for renegades...[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

 Yeah, without Samara there is no hope in the galaxy. That must have been crushing for shep, confessing his feelings only to be told Samara's oath is the only thing keeping him alive.

Modifié par DOYOURLABS, 30 juillet 2010 - 04:59 .

[DOYOURLABS]

yorkj86 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Her Justicar Code is incontrovertible, though. She can't let 'shades of grey' come into the equation. If she acts in accordance with the Code, she is just; if she does not, she is unjust. If Shepard murders innocents 'for the greater good', he/she is no better than the Reapers, according to the Code. The Code is who Samara is, and Shepard knew that when he/she recruited Samara. Shepard can't sweet-talk or brow-beat his way out of the consequences. I like that aspect of Samara's character, too many people in the game are heavily influenced by Shepard, Samara not so much.

Personally I think that if Shepard doesn't go about saving the galaxy the right way, maybe the galaxy isn't worth saving.

I disagree with your last sentence.   It hinges way too much on Shepard.  There are people in the galaxy who are genuinely good, trustworthy and hard-working, but who will never meet Shepard, and who will never get to fight ancient mecha gods.  They shouldn't be doomed to die just because Shepard has a habit of pushing people out of skyscraper windows.

As for Samara and Renegade Shepard, she might realize that she has reached a moral quandary, and an Oath of Subsumation might kick in.  Shepard, even Renegade Shepard, is the only person doing anything about the Reapers.  It's kind of like the situation with Nihlus.

But Shepard isn't all that special. Realistically, he could be replaced. Shepard is just an elite charismatic soldier. Shiala has the cipher, the only thing that makes him unique. Samara is a much more powerful biotic. But it's Shepard's game, and no one else cares about the impending doom of giant mechanical cuttlefish and turtles.

*FYI: I'm calling this right now, the reapers were based on the cuttlefish. There is actually a type of cuttlefish called reaper cuttlefish. And they look alot like Sovereign. 

[ADLegend21]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I agree with these points aswell. although I was kinda of disappointed with how she treats a renagade Shepard when they use the "we have a connection" line. Shepard does what he/she does for the good of the galazy and she goes and says "when I am released form my oath I will kill you" so much for defeating the reapers in me3 for renegades...

 Yeah, without Samara there is no hope in the galaxy. That must have been crushing for shep, confessing his feelings only to be told Samara's oath is the only thing keeping him alive.

honestly, I don't even think samara can take shep one on one, especially if he's a vanguard or infiltrator. their bread and butter abilities would be aenough to get Shepard the upper hand. but that'd be an interesting fight to say the least.

[Siansonea]

I think in this case Samara would simply take the Third Oath of Subsumation to Shepard again. She might see the Reapers as a threat to the lives of innocents, and Shepard as the only weapon that can be used to defeat them. That said, once the Reapers are defeated, she WOULD challenge Shepard to single combat, and let the situation resolve itself.

[ADLegend21]

yorkj86 wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

honestly, I don't even think samara can take shep one on one, especially if he's a vanguard or infiltrator. their bread and butter abilities would be aenough to get Shepard the upper hand. but that'd be an interesting fight to say the least.

I like to think that Shepard is among equals, among his crew.  I don't take the flavor text on combat abilities and powers to be necessarily indicative of the person's true powers.   Otherwise, most of the squadmates would just suck, and there would be contradictions between what's stated in canon and things that are the case in-combat.

oh my thoughts ren't based on the text description Shepar dcould possibly hide from Samara and get to the jump on her with his tactical cloak, and the biotic charge.....well nuff said

But samara does have hundreds of years of cambat experience and biotic experience so we may never know.

[Kudara]

yorkj86 wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

But Shepard isn't all that special. Realistically, he could be replaced. Shepard is just an elite charismatic soldier. Shiala has the cipher, the only thing that makes him unique. Samara is a much more powerful biotic. But it's Shepard's game, and no one else cares about the impending doom of giant mechanical cuttlefish and turtles.

*FYI: I'm calling this right now, the reapers were based on the cuttlefish. There is actually a type of cuttlefish called reaper cuttlefish. And they look alot like Sovereign. 

He may not be special in that respect, but he is the only person doing anything about the Reapers.  That's what makes him special.  He's mobilizing people, leading them and showing them first-hand proof of the existence of the Reapers.

EDIT:  And the Destiny Ascension was based on the whale shark.   Nothing surprising about that one, though.

Ok so where did you find that the DA is based on the whale shark?  Curious minds want to know.

Modifié par Kudara, 30 juillet 2010 - 06:08 .

[kelmar6821]

Asari kong fu?



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[adriano_c]

Someone needs to go to the dentist, for real.

[BlackMetal]

yorkj86 wrote...

Bioware has problem with teeth.  And hair.  And eyelids.  And giving Shepard a face that doesn't make him look like he wants to forcibly fondle you, when he smiles.  Either NPCs have chiclet teeth like Jacob, or dirty square cardboard cut-out teeth, like Joker, though he has that disease, which discolors teeth, so it's understandable.

I Lol'd hard. And yes, they have a problem with hair because male Shepard can't have long hair, The **** Bioware?

[adriano_c]

You see many enlisted men with hippy hair?

[BlackMetal]

adriano_c wrote...

You see many enlisted men with hippy hair?

True, when Shepard first enlisted his hair would be cut away, but now he's a Spectre, and to my knowledge Spectres don't have any hair req.

[adriano_c]

Heh, looking for a loophole? Shepard's a military character, no two ways around it.