She's not emotionless, necessarily. Just very controlled. I think a big part of her character is how she expresses herself in the little things (a grin here or there, or body movements). Her emotion really comes through in the scene after she kills Morinth. Her sadness...Renaikan wrote...
ADLegend21 wrote...
really?Renaikan wrote...
By far worst character ingame. Really hoping she won't be in ME3.
Really. She won't be in my version of ME3 that's for sure. Had her killed off in ME2. My opinion, most boring, emotionless character ever in ME universe.
Samara thread
#11126
Posté 19 août 2010 - 06:28
#11127
Posté 19 août 2010 - 02:03
Samara has surprising depth for a videogame character, who are often cliché with their whole personality summarized in their outward appearance. Samara reveals little of herself prior to her loyalty mission, in keeping with her belief that burdens are something to be carried alone.yorkj86 wrote...
We all seem to like it. The tone of her voice, and the expression(s) on her face when she admits that she has feelings for Shepard, but must decline pursuing them because of her dedication to the Code, those are deeply affecting.tommyt_1994 wrote...
Hello Samara fans, just dropping by to drop a quick question and show my support for Samara. I've never actually poked my head in here, but from what I understand, this is one of the few fan threads where a lot of in-depth, and actually character-related discussion occurs (much like the Jack thread).
Samara is one of my favorite characters in the game,and her almost-romance scene is heart wrenching. Bioware really hit the nail on the head with that scene. Is that the general consensus around here? That even though she isn't a full fledged romance option, the writing was good enough to still be greatly appreciated, and maybe even preferred to an just averagely written actual romance? And do most of you want to see Samara become a romance option in ME3, if it's done right?
Sorry if this has been discussed to death, which it more than likely has been, but I wanted my first post in here to bring forth some good discussion and thought. I also just happened to be interested in these topics
As for Samara becoming a romance option in ME3, the consensus seems to be that it should only be done if it would respect her character. Her character shouldn't develop just to pave the way for a romance.
I think that if there were to be a Samara romance in ME3, it should be very solemn and touching.
The fact that she lets her emotions show after the mission is telling. People confuse demeanor with emotions, expression with feelings. Feelings are felt, but not always expressed. Wether or not emotions/feelings are expressed or not is a matter of character; you may be unwilling to display/express emotions by choice (as Samara) or unable to express emotions (through lack of understanding of oneself, or lack of ability to express, verbally or otherwise.
Samara could have hunted down Morinth without becoming a Justicar: she was an already skilled warrior before settling down to have a family. Why bother with Oaths and Code, if all she wanted was stop a serial killer? Perhaps the Justicar Oaths and Code were necessary for Samara to to be able to find the resolve to track down and eventually kill her daughter, something any parent would have great difficulty doing and feel great anguish over. Perhaps the path of the Justicar was/is a path of pennance for Samara, something she chose to punish herself for what she new she had to do.
Turning down Shepard when the Code allowed her to find solace with him is telling: she is walking the penitent's path and will not cast off her burden until she crosses some sort of important emotional threshold (like a sign that Morinth has somehow forgiven her).
To give you an idea of such a powerful moment, watch "The Mission": Robert de Niro's character (a wealthy spanish slave trader), having killed his brother and wife out of jealousy, has taken penitent vows and chose to carry all of his armor and weapons in a large pack on his back, through the Amazon rainforest, up a steep escarpment, climbing back down to retrieve it when a companion removes it off.
Only at the summit, when an guarani child (of whom De Niro's character enslaved thousands) removes the pack, does the character feels redeemed...
So... unless Bioware has something similar in store for Samara, I'll be dissapointed with any cheap fan service romance. That being said, I'm hopeful BW can come up with something that will do justice to the Justicar. As for character preferences, some guys may like their women simple and easy. I kinda like mine hard and complex...
#11128
Posté 20 août 2010 - 02:54
tommyt_1994 wrote...
Hello Samara fans, just dropping by to drop a quick question and show my support for Samara. I've never actually poked my head in here, but from what I understand, this is one of the few fan threads where a lot of in-depth, and actually character-related discussion occurs (much like the Jack thread).
Samara is one of my favorite characters in the game,and her almost-romance scene is heart wrenching. Bioware really hit the nail on the head with that scene. Is that the general consensus around here? That even though she isn't a full fledged romance option, the writing was good enough to still be greatly appreciated, and maybe even preferred to an just averagely written actual romance? And do most of you want to see Samara become a romance option in ME3, if it's done right?
Sorry if this has been discussed to death, which it more than likely has been, but I wanted my first post in here to bring forth some good discussion and thought. I also just happened to be interested in these topics
Its interesting to think about a possible romance with a character like this, because it would have to take some serious writing chops to be believable in game. I do want to see it, but I'm not banking on it. It also has the risk of making the character one dimensional and more geared towards romance, and we already saw that with another female returning character *coughs* and I don't think Samara needs a romance to redeem her character arc, which arguably could be complete in ME2. All that being said, as my sig will point out, I throw in my full support for whatever content she has in the next game
#11129
Posté 20 août 2010 - 03:15
Also, if a overarching theme in ME3 is unity beyond deep differences (of the galaxy's races) then how great would it be to have a subplot with Samara that revolves around Shepard and her cooperating without her third oath being effective. There is no way Samara is going to stop being a Justicar, her resolve in the end is that she accepts she will die as one, so she'll have to do what no other Justicar has done before. By fighting alongside companions without having to submit she would have to be even more disciplined and resourceful, accept the noble cause and set out to help Shepard accomplish it by any means. I think that's a possible story arc for her in the next game, figuring out how to do it while also honoring the Code.
Modifié par 7Makaveli, 20 août 2010 - 03:15 .
#11130
Guest_yorkj86_*
Posté 20 août 2010 - 05:03
Guest_yorkj86_*
7Makaveli wrote...
*continues rambling*
Also, if a overarching theme in ME3 is unity beyond deep differences (of the galaxy's races) then how great would it be to have a subplot with Samara that revolves around Shepard and her cooperating without her third oath being effective. There is no way Samara is going to stop being a Justicar, her resolve in the end is that she accepts she will die as one, so she'll have to do what no other Justicar has done before. By fighting alongside companions without having to submit she would have to be even more disciplined and resourceful, accept the noble cause and set out to help Shepard accomplish it by any means. I think that's a possible story arc for her in the next game, figuring out how to do it while also honoring the Code.
This would be a great way to develop her character. It would show her being affected by her interactions with (Paragon) Shepard. Without ever having met the Commander, she could have easily spent the rest of her life working on her own, doing what Justicars do. Having met the Commander, if she believes in the virtue of his moral convictions, then she would have a great reason to work with him. It would convey to the player that she places an incredible amount of trust in Shepard, so much that she doesn't need to take the Third Oath anymore, with him.
#11131
Posté 20 août 2010 - 06:25
#11132
Guest_yorkj86_*
Posté 20 août 2010 - 06:28
Guest_yorkj86_*
#11133
Posté 20 août 2010 - 06:28
In a nutshell, it made me want to slap the artist.
With a crowbar.
#11134
Guest_yorkj86_*
Posté 20 août 2010 - 06:41
Guest_yorkj86_*
#11135
Posté 20 août 2010 - 06:46
There.
Viewing may induce homicidal feelings.
But that might just be me =P
#11136
Posté 20 août 2010 - 06:48
yorkj86 wrote...
7Makaveli wrote...
*continues rambling*
Also, if a overarching theme in ME3 is unity beyond deep differences (of the galaxy's races) then how great would it be to have a subplot with Samara that revolves around Shepard and her cooperating without her third oath being effective. There is no way Samara is going to stop being a Justicar, her resolve in the end is that she accepts she will die as one, so she'll have to do what no other Justicar has done before. By fighting alongside companions without having to submit she would have to be even more disciplined and resourceful, accept the noble cause and set out to help Shepard accomplish it by any means. I think that's a possible story arc for her in the next game, figuring out how to do it while also honoring the Code.
This would be a great way to develop her character. It would show her being affected by her interactions with (Paragon) Shepard. Without ever having met the Commander, she could have easily spent the rest of her life working on her own, doing what Justicars do. Having met the Commander, if she believes in the virtue of his moral convictions, then she would have a great reason to work with him. It would convey to the player that she places an incredible amount of trust in Shepard, so much that she doesn't need to take the Third Oath anymore, with him.
Precisely, by not making Samara have to bend her Code, Shepard shows respect for her traditions and disciplines while she compensates him by vowing to cooperate in one last mission. Its a mutual respect that's a perfect evolution for both the characters, and would bring about a potential theme in the next game.
EDIT: deviantart is so buggy, it won't let me log in I wanna see:ph34r:
Modifié par 7Makaveli, 20 août 2010 - 06:53 .
#11137
Guest_yorkj86_*
Posté 20 août 2010 - 06:52
Guest_yorkj86_*
AshiraShepard wrote...
There.
Viewing may induce homicidal feelings.
But that might just be me =P
That does irritate me a little. It is out-of-character. I guess people just get off on seeing someone surrender to their impulses. As I said, out-of-character.
#11138
Posté 20 août 2010 - 06:59
#11139
Posté 20 août 2010 - 07:03
AshiraShepard wrote...
Here Mak, they don't blind over direct links.
http://fc05.devianta...ar_by_Padzi.png
why are the forehead emblems coming down to her cheeks? atleast get every detail real...*coughs* <_<
#11140
Posté 20 août 2010 - 07:07
7Makaveli wrote...
why are the forehead emblems coming down to her cheeks? atleast get every detail real...*coughs* <_<
I have another crowbar if you want to join me...
#11141
Posté 20 août 2010 - 07:12
AshiraShepard wrote...
7Makaveli wrote...
why are the forehead emblems coming down to her cheeks? atleast get every detail real...*coughs* <_<
I have another crowbar if you want to join me...
I use baseball bats
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ahem, in other news

got the idea from the conversation wheel XD, Samara doesn't approve of Collector armor.
#11142
Posté 20 août 2010 - 07:13
Poor Shepard.
#11143
Posté 20 août 2010 - 07:21
#11144
Posté 20 août 2010 - 07:41
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what do Samaritans think? Like, dislike? Confused? XD
EDIT: for last caption
Modifié par 7Makaveli, 20 août 2010 - 07:45 .
#11145
Guest_yorkj86_*
Posté 20 août 2010 - 07:50
Guest_yorkj86_*
#11146
Posté 20 août 2010 - 07:56
yorkj86 wrote...
Samara as Jules is an...interesting connection to make. He is still a criminal, after all. Also, Samara quoting Scripture.
Both strong principled characters, but certainly on the other side of the spectrum. Samara quoting scripture would be just as intimidating as how Jules says it.
*hands over bragging rights*
EDIT: interesting fact, that "bible" scripture is not actually real, just made up by the Tarantino/writers.
Modifié par 7Makaveli, 20 août 2010 - 08:05 .
#11147
Posté 20 août 2010 - 08:14
And also makes me want to cheer, for some reason.
#11148
Posté 20 août 2010 - 08:26
AshiraShepard wrote...
The mere thought of Samara doing that makes me want to hide in a fallout bunker...
And also makes me want to cheer, for some reason.
the part where she says "I will strike down with great fury..." is where I would go hide in a bunker
the part where she says "And you will know I am a Justicar..." is when I would come out and cheer
...
then back to the bunker again
#11149
Guest_yorkj86_*
Posté 21 août 2010 - 01:48
Guest_yorkj86_*
Criminal: "No."
Samara: "Tell 'em, Shepard."
Asari words sound vaguely Greek, but I don't know any Greek.
Modifié par yorkj86, 21 août 2010 - 01:49 .
#11150
Posté 21 août 2010 - 01:51
7Makaveli wrote...
why are the forehead emblems coming down to her cheeks? atleast get every detail real...*coughs* <_<AshiraShepard wrote...
Here Mak, they don't blind over direct links.
http://fc05.devianta...ar_by_Padzi.png
Look, I'm feeling a bit mixed about Samara porn.





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