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[Pacifien]

Hello! I just wanted to direct your attention for a moment to the new introduction to the forum with an outline of the purposes of this forum now that it has been separated from the strategy discussion.

You have discussion of your favorite character going fairly well, but I'd also encourage you guys to present any fan-created works about the series to your other forumites!

[Siansonea]

yorkj86 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I played through LotSB with Samara and Morinth, Samara was especially helpful (really, you can't go wrong with Reave). I definitely liked having an all-asari squad. I also played through with Miranda, and she was good as well. I will say that I think Jack would rock on the ship hull combat sequence, Shockwave seems ideally suited for that environment (and Vanguards so own on this DLC).

Did you see the SB's video of Samara, Siansonea?

I did, it was pretty cool. Obviously this was before the encounter with the asari Eclipse merc that Shepard walked in on.

[Kudara]

Yea, Samara's been holding out on us! Obviously her throw and pull are hugely stronger than she's been letting on.

I was like holy cow, what the hell did you do to ****** her off at you?

Modifié par Kudara, 09 septembre 2010 - 09:40 .

[Flamewielder]

Yep, finished and loved it! And I have a feeling this may be the path choses by BW should they want to bring back ME2 squaddies in ME3 (i.e. as an optional one-mission squaddie).

[Ashira Shepard]

Very close to finishing my latest oneshot, I'm a bit nervous about it, but when its done, I really hope you guys like it.

[adriano_c]

So, I'm wondering...what was the necessity in the character becoming a Justicar (and the inevitable requisite seclusion, disconnect from loved ones, etc.)? Just for the training? Atonement? I mean, she could have just as easily hunted down Morinth as is, then gone back home.

[Ashira Shepard]

It might have been a way to give her life purpose again, if she just went out to hunt Morinth down, did so, what would she be returning to? Her children are gone, condemned to live in solitude themselves, away from society; she herself probably wouldn't run the risk of having more AY children.



Sometimes things break too much to try and repair them.

[adriano_c]

AshiraShepard wrote...

It might have been a way to give her life purpose again, if she just went out to hunt Morinth down, did so, what would she be returning to? Her children are gone, condemned to live in solitude themselves, away from society; she herself probably wouldn't run the risk of having more AY children.

Sometimes things break too much to try and repair them.

I don't like this reasoning.

Her foremost responsibility should be providing some degree of comfort to her children, who, inadvertently or not, exist as they do, thanks to her. Her purpose in life, after killing Morinth, should have been to make their lives tolerable, instead of effectively letting them rot in prison without their only loved one. The galaxy can take care of itself and doesn't need her exclusively to bring law and order. Her children on the other hand, don't have any other substitute for her. It's almost a bit selfish. She gets to "start a new life", while depriving them.

[adriano_c]

yorkj86 wrote...

Also, it was really the only legal way to acquire the resources, training, privileges, and license-to-kill necessary to kill Morinth. We know that the mercenary life wasn't for her. It lacks structure. It lacks people with moral fiber.

Shoulda joined Eclipse if she wanted to kit up. This whole Justicar thing seems unnecessary to me.

[Ashira Shepard]

I'd like to point out that the writer who made Samara, Morinth and Jack isn't even with Bioware anymore. So I don't think he had any hand in the info from the DLC...

He's working with Blizzard, he showed up in an interview talking about Starcraft II, well before this DLC was even announced.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 09 septembre 2010 - 11:18 .

[Kudara]

adriano_c wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Also, it was really the only legal way to acquire the resources, training, privileges, and license-to-kill necessary to kill Morinth. We know that the mercenary life wasn't for her. It lacks structure. It lacks people with moral fiber.

Shoulda joined Eclipse if she wanted to kit up. This whole Justicar thing seems unnecessary to me.

Right like Eclipse are interested in hunting down AY, their the ones who knowingly got Morinth off Illium.  I understand where you're coming from but I think you're also not looking at it from Samara's POV.  She obviously knew about the deaths Mirala was causing and felt responsible for those mother's losing their daughters.  Being a Justicar was the only moral way she saw to deal with the situation.

Would you want your mother to hang around solely to give you comfort if you knew she could stop or at least slow down your serial killiing sibling?  I would hate it but I think around the 5th or 10th death I would be like for god sake I can stand being here but I can't stand that.

Oh and I suspect I know why she's intent on remaining a Justicar.  Her remaining daughters are 472 and 470ish, she hasn't seen them in 430 years.  Their matrons or would be if they could have children.  What the hell do you say after 430 years?  It took me longer than I thought?

Modifié par Kudara, 09 septembre 2010 - 11:21 .

[adriano_c]

yorkj86 wrote...

Eclipse are mercs. As I said, she has
prior experience as a mercenary. It ended with her killing her entire
company, after they didn't want to hear her objections to finding out
they were transporting slaves.

Yeah, let's see, a one-off tour with some Eclipse providing guns and support, which doesn't result in her children being condemned to a "dank fortress" for the next several centuries...or doing that, and becoming some sort of deranged, itinerant monk.

Modifié par adriano_c, 09 septembre 2010 - 11:20 .

[Ashira Shepard]

Kudara wrote...
Right like Eclipse are interested in hunting down AY, their the ones who knowingly got Morinth off Illium.  I understand where you're coming from but I think you're also not looking at it from Samara's POV.  She obviously knew about the deaths Mirala was causing and felt responsible for those mother's losing their daughters.  Being a Justicar was the only moral way she saw to deal with the situation.

Would you want your mother to hang around solely to give you comfort if you knew she could stop or at least slow down your serial killiing sibling?  I would hate it but I think around the 5th or 10th death I would be like for god sake I can stand being here but I can't stand that.

I would've asked "what would you do in her shoes?" but I'm a pansy at this sort of thing. So thank you for having the proverbial balls that I don't 

[Ashira Shepard]

adriano_c wrote...
Yeah, let's see, a one-off tour with some Eclipse providing guns and support, which doesn't result in her children being condemned to a "dank fortress" for the next several centuries...or doing that, and becoming some sort of deranged, itinerant monk.

Ow?

Its all too easy to say what she should've done.

Doing it is another thing entirely.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 09 septembre 2010 - 11:23 .

[Kudara]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Kudara wrote...
Right like Eclipse are interested in hunting down AY, their the ones who knowingly got Morinth off Illium.  I understand where you're coming from but I think you're also not looking at it from Samara's POV.  She obviously knew about the deaths Mirala was causing and felt responsible for those mother's losing their daughters.  Being a Justicar was the only moral way she saw to deal with the situation.

Would you want your mother to hang around solely to give you comfort if you knew she could stop or at least slow down your serial killiing sibling?  I would hate it but I think around the 5th or 10th death I would be like for god sake I can stand being here but I can't stand that.

I would've asked "what would you do in her shoes?" but I'm a pansy at this sort of thing. So thank you for having the proverbial balls that I don't 

No, I just understand sometimes there are no right answers.  Only degrees of wrongness.

[adriano_c]

Kudara wrote...

Right like Eclipse are interested in hunting down AY, their the ones who knowingly got Morinth off Illium.

By that same token, instead of donating all her possessions to charity, she sells them for cash, and pays for the mercenary support?

I understand where you're coming from but I think you're also not looking at it from Samara's POV.  She obviously knew about the deaths Mirala was causing and felt responsible for those mother's losing their daughters.  Being a Justicar was the only moral way she saw to deal with the situation.

Only moral way to deal with the situation? I don't follow. Killing Morinth, and then? Fix the whole world? Her atonement or feelings of guilt shouldn't supersede her primary obligation - dealing with her children. Galavanting off into the sunset as Judge Dredd v2 makes her feel better, i.e., it's selfish.

Would you want your mother to hang around solely to give you comfort if you knew she could stop or at least slow down your serial killiing sibling?  I would hate it but I think around the 5th or 10th death I would be like for god sake I can stand being here but I can't stand that.

...and after Morinth is dead? No reason to remain a Justicar.

[Ashira Shepard]

adriano_c wrote...
Only moral way to deal with the situation? I don't follow. Killing Morinth, and then? Fix the whole world? Her atonement or feelings of guilt shouldn't supersede her primary obligation - dealing with her children. Galavanting off into the sunset as Judge Dredd v2 makes her feel better, i.e., it's selfish.

Right, because I'm sure she feels utterly delighted with her life, you can just see the rainbows and daisies popping up around her whenever she walks into a room.

[Kudara]

See my point above, at this time it has been 430 years since she last spoke to them. They are matrons, they have spent 9/10 ths of their lives without her presence. 40ish years vs 430.



I imagine she's convinced they probably don't want to see her anymore and she would have to give up being a Justicar to even be able to ask if they would even talk to her after all this time.

[DOYOURLABS]

adriano_c wrote...


Yeah, let's see, a one-off tour with some Eclipse providing guns and support, which doesn't result in her children being condemned to a "dank fortress" for the next several centuries...or doing that, and becoming some sort of deranged, itinerant monk.

Well of course they would help the new recruit who might have killed a shipful of them instead of doing a slave trade. /sarcasm

Justicars are the only ones who could hunt who they want, and kill who they want. As long as it's permitted by the code. Eclipse are also a legitimate business, they aren't going to send there men to murder someone publicly. The children are stuck there forever regardless. And Samara is nowhere near deranged, she is one of the sanest people we've met in the Mass effect galaxy.