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[DOYOURLABS]

Looking at the underlying racism against purebloods in asari society, I would think this was a prison with doctors. AY have been declared untreatable murderers, presented only with a choice between execution and lifetime confinement. As far as I know, AY only get addicted if they mate for the first time. Can't they be trusted to do the right thing? They don't even allow personal communicators, and they make wine for a living.

[Flamewielder]

Liara seemed to indicate that, although prejudice existed, few people would be unkind enough to call her a pureblood. We know there is a stigma attached to being a pureblood, which Samara suggests is in part due to the pureblood-AY link.



AY is described as a dangerous medical condition, rather like dementia. If they kill, they are put down as unredeemable. If they abstain, they are allowed to live in seclusion, in relative comfort. I imagine that if conditions were dismal, more AY would choose to run and few parents would allow their children to be taken away...



Another unanswered question is wether Dominate is a power shared by all AY, or just something Morinth learned? If all AY's can Dominate other sentients, they are clearly a danger to anyone should they decide to act on their impulses. Samara's story of the AY who dominated a whole village comes to mind.



The AY's plight is remeniscent of the X-Man Rogue, who is denied the comfort of the slightest human contact because she would otherwise absorb a person's memories personality (and powers, in case of mutants). Fortunately, in Rogue's case, her condition is not addictive. Most of the X-Men stories gravitate around issues of personal liberties vs common security.

[DOYOURLABS]

I don't understand the link between AY and dementia. But that's probably the sleep deprived me talking. AY is inherited for all we know, and is only addictive if you start mating. For all we know. But we don't know much, because it's asari genetics. I don't think we were ever meant to understand that.



Parents don't have the right to choose whether or not they send their AY children to a asylum or not. It's that or execution. It's asari law or something. Some monasteries probably say its a wonderful place, but its really a "dank fortress." If there are armed guards waiting for someone to run, I don't think the unarmed, untrained, and relatively harmless victims are going to resist much.



Dominate is probably special to Morinth, because she is such a highly experienced seductress/murderer. Samara says she controls through her strong will. There isn't many escaped AY, so not many would have the chance to develope that power. Whether or not all of them are capable of it is just speculation because, you know, asari genetics. I also think Dominate was BioWare saying "we need a mind control power."

[Terraneaux]

DOYOURLABS wrote...
Dominate is probably special to Morinth, because she is such a highly experienced seductress/murderer. Samara says she controls through her strong will. There isn't many escaped AY, so not many would have the chance to develope that power. Whether or not all of them are capable of it is just speculation because, you know, asari genetics. I also think Dominate was BioWare saying "we need a mind control power."

The way Reave is written, as well, it's some sort of 'psychic attack,' where all of the other biotic powers in the game work through kinetic means (Warp is possibly chemical).

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

yorkj86 wrote...

Reave sounds to me as if Samara is creating numerous microscopic warp fields, or one dynamic warp field, to interfere with the target's nervous system. How Reave at all has anything to do with draining life is anyone's guess. Bioware got really creative with the mechanics of biotics with ME2.

I always imagined that reave was Samara just taking advantage of her being an AY-gene carrier. Since the description of the ability (if my memory serves right) sounds like a "mild" form of what happens if you mind-meld with an AY.

As for it being classefied as a biotic ability. That's just something Bioware did for gameplay sake so it would benefit from research upgrades.

Just my opinion.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Hello Samara thread.

First time appearance.

I really liked how they did her story in ME2.

Her personality was actually rather refreshing as well.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Hello Samara thread.
First time appearance.
I really liked how they did her story in ME2.
Her personality was actually rather refreshing as well.

She was by far the best squadmate of the new cast.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Lizardviking wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Hello Samara thread.
First time appearance.
I really liked how they did her story in ME2.
Her personality was actually rather refreshing as well.

She was by far the best squadmate of the new cast.

She was my favorite new character.
I've still got a soft spot for the G/T team.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Hello Samara thread.
First time appearance.
I really liked how they did her story in ME2.
Her personality was actually rather refreshing as well.

She was by far the best squadmate of the new cast.

She was my favorite new character.
I've still got a soft spot for the G/T team.

These are my favorite team combos.
Samara/Miranda
Samara/Garrus (team vigilante FTW!)
Garrus/Miranda

[NICKjnp]

Lizardviking wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Reave sounds to me as if Samara is creating numerous microscopic warp fields, or one dynamic warp field, to interfere with the target's nervous system. How Reave at all has anything to do with draining life is anyone's guess. Bioware got really creative with the mechanics of biotics with ME2.

I always imagined that reave was Samara just taking advantage of her being an AY-gene carrier. Since the description of the ability (if my memory serves right) sounds like a "mild" form of what happens if you mind-meld with an AY.

As for it being classefied as a biotic ability. That's just something Bioware did for gameplay sake so it would benefit from research upgrades.

Just my opinion.

Uh-oh... my vanguard Shepard is an Ardat-Yakshi.  Why Sheploo?  Why?

The power is described as an advanced biotic ability (because of her advanced biotics training as a Justicar).

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Lizardviking wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Hello Samara thread.
First time appearance.
I really liked how they did her story in ME2.
Her personality was actually rather refreshing as well.

She was by far the best squadmate of the new cast.

She was my favorite new character.
I've still got a soft spot for the G/T team.

These are my favorite team combos.
Samara/Miranda
Samara/Garrus (team vigilante FTW!)
Garrus/Miranda

Garrus/Tali
Wrex/Garrus
Samara/Garrus/or Tali.
for me.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

yorkj86 wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Hello Samara thread.
First time appearance.
I really liked how they did her story in ME2.
Her personality was actually rather refreshing as well.

Hello, friend.

Yes, Samara's character was refreshing, in general.  It's nice to have a character whose morality is set, not because the writers have neglected her character, but because her morality is her character.

Having characters that are morally...malleable is fun.
But every once and a while you need to have a character who is their own person whether you like it or not.
That's the main reason I liked Samara.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

NICKjnp wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Reave sounds to me as if Samara is creating numerous microscopic warp fields, or one dynamic warp field, to interfere with the target's nervous system. How Reave at all has anything to do with draining life is anyone's guess. Bioware got really creative with the mechanics of biotics with ME2.

I always imagined that reave was Samara just taking advantage of her being an AY-gene carrier. Since the description of the ability (if my memory serves right) sounds like a "mild" form of what happens if you mind-meld with an AY.

As for it being classefied as a biotic ability. That's just something Bioware did for gameplay sake so it would benefit from research upgrades.

Just my opinion.

Uh-oh... my vanguard Shepard is an Ardat-Yakshi.  Why Sheploo?  Why?

The power is described as an advanced biotic ability (because of her advanced biotics training as a Justicar).

Shepard having bonus abilities aren't really canon AFAIK.

Also Shepard can have the dominate ability. Which is definetly an AY thing (which is why I also think reave is).

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

yorkj86 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Reave sounds to me as if Samara is creating numerous microscopic warp fields, or one dynamic warp field, to interfere with the target's nervous system. How Reave at all has anything to do with draining life is anyone's guess. Bioware got really creative with the mechanics of biotics with ME2.

I always imagined that reave was Samara just taking advantage of her being an AY-gene carrier. Since the description of the ability (if my memory serves right) sounds like a "mild" form of what happens if you mind-meld with an AY.

As for it being classefied as a biotic ability. That's just something Bioware did for gameplay sake so it would benefit from research upgrades.

Just my opinion.

I thought that at first, too, but following how frustrating asari genetics is, I just went with the simpler, more convenient explanation.  Both are probable, though the abiility to generate and maintain microscopic warp fields would be a testament to her biotic prowess.

But how does biotics suck the lifeforce and transfer it to the "caster"?

The fact that it does that seems to point at it being an AY ability.

[NICKjnp]

I'm going to go with the game definition that it is an advanced biotic attack that Justicars are trained in. Why would Samara use and AY ability on enemies when she is hunting someone who uses their AY genes on someone? More likely that it is an advanced Justicar biotic power that requires Justicar training to learn.

[NICKjnp]

Space Magic.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

NICKjnp wrote...

Space Magic.

I always thought of it as a non-ethics related version of the force.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Before I sign off for now a final question.

Does someone by the screen name of "The_KFD_Case" ever post here?

[Terraneaux]

Lizardviking wrote...

Shepard having bonus abilities aren't really canon AFAIK.

Also Shepard can have the dominate ability. Which is definetly an AY thing (which is why I also think reave is).

/agree.  Samara is probably taking advantage of being part of the 1% of Asari on the AY 'spectrum.'

Though it would be kind of badass if Shep learned some of the 'psychic biotic' powers, perhaps the first human to do so.  But, then again, I don't think the game acknowledges Shep as a biotic at all.