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[DOYOURLABS]

Azure

[DirtyVagrant]

So... if Legion plays a Ardat Yakshi necromancer in Galaxy of Fantasy doesn't that make the condition not entirely obscure?

[Siansonea]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

Azure

BioWare needs to make a "Kiss My Azure" T-Shirt for us gals.

[flem1]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

So... if Legion plays a Ardat Yakshi necromancer in Galaxy of Fantasy doesn't that make the condition not entirely obscure?

It may just be considered an exotic term for "demon" from Asari myth.  With only three (two) alive, the knowledge that they exist IRL isn't necessarily widespread.

[mmmu]

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Modifié par mmmu, 12 septembre 2010 - 11:19 .

[Flamewielder]

adriano_c wrote...
Not read the codices myself.
Anyway, so, there's some similarity in civic structure (and overall group identity)...
It's splitting hairs, perhaps, but saying it has "some Greek themes or influences" might have been more appropriate than it being "Greek-themed" which I take as broader and more inclusive to a variety of facets of Greek civ.
*throws worthless Hellenic studies certificate in the trash*

No, you are correct and it is even more accurately described as "some themes and influences from popular perceptions of ancient Greek civilization.
*picks up the certificate, dusts it off, hands it back*
"All knowledge is worth having." - Phèdre nó Delaunay

Modifié par Flamewielder, 12 septembre 2010 - 07:39 .

[Flamewielder]

flem1 wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...
So... if Legion plays a Ardat Yakshi necromancer in Galaxy of Fantasy doesn't that make the condition not entirely obscure?

It may just be considered an exotic term for "demon" from Asari myth.  With only three (two) alive, the knowledge that they exist IRL isn't necessarily widespread.

As the Codex states, the A-Y syndrome is a relatively widespread medical condition, affecting about 1% of asari population, and is characterized by the inability of the patient to join nervous systems. Only in rare cases is the condition actually dangerous to others (i.e. true Ardat-Yakshi like Morinth and her 2 sisters). Mild cases likely simply result in patient sterility and perhaps actual discomfort/headache in the A-Y's mate.

In asari, this inability to connect to others (romantically or otherwise) can eventually cause the subject to develop sociopathic/psychopatic traits (not necessarily violent): isolation, withdrawal from society, loneliness, abusive relationships... in essence, traits that are more common among non-asari species like humans. Humans are not all psychos, of course; most A-Y probably manage to adapt in spite of their inability to sync by learning to bond the way we humans do... It sounds like sociopathic traits are much rarer among the asari because of the deep empathy resulting from the ability to sync their nervous systems with a spouse (to mate), a child (to soothe) or any other individual willing and able to sync (like Liara and Shepard in ME1, even if they are not LI's).

A-Y syndrom is more common among pureblood offspring, resulting in more pureblood sociopaths than among inter-species offspring. Purebloods are more likely prejudiced against for this reason than the few rare instances of murderous A-Y's.

[Kudara]

Thats an interesting insight Flamewielder, the point about them developing unhealthy coping mechanisms in response to being unable to meld. So we're assuming that the lesser AY's can't meld or can't maintain a meld but they don't vampirically drain their partners either?

[Kudara]

Also I was thinking about what we learned about Samara's other two daughters from the dossier and remembering her reaction to Detective Anaya commenting that she might live to have grandaughters now.

I had assumed that Samara was just being justicarish but now I'm wondering if it was more of a stone face to hide how painful such comments must be to her. Her daughters are of an age where she would have been a grandmother if they hadn't been AY's.

Modifié par Kudara, 12 septembre 2010 - 03:53 .

[Kudara]

yorkj86 wrote...

What does she say to Detective Anaya's comment? I don't remember.

Ah nm, I misremembered she just looks away in reaction to Anaya making a comment about not dying.  But I can't imagine the grandchildren comment was that wonderful for her.

[Flamewielder]

Kudara wrote...
Thats an interesting insight Flamewielder, the point about them developing unhealthy coping mechanisms in response to being unable to meld. So we're assuming that the lesser AY's can't meld or can't maintain a meld but they don't vampirically drain their partners either?

The Codex entry reads as follows: "...Ardat-Yakshi ("demon of the night winds") are asari suffering from a genetic disorder preventing conventional melding of nervous systems during mating. Instead, Ardat-Yakshi electro-chemically ravage their partners' nervous systems, in extreme cases leaving victims as vegetative invalids or corpses. Asari psychologists regard this incapacity for mental fusion as preventing the development of empathy, leading to psychopathy. There is no known cure.
The disorder generally begins in infancy, reaching full pathology during Maiden adolescent sexual development. While seductive and sexually-driven as other asari, Ardat-Yakshi are congenitally sterile. Ancient asari mythology held Ardat-Yakshi as gods of destruction, depicting them as villains of countless legends and as the anti-heroes of numerous asari epics.
Contrary to popular belief, Ardat-Yakshi are neither extremely rare (around one per cent of asari dwell on the AY spectrum), nor are they all murderers. Most cultivate and discard countless exploitative or abusive relationships during their legally marginal lives. Despite rumors of Ardat-Yakshi syndicates, by nature Ardat-Yakshi are incapable of long-term cooperation.
As a disproportionately wealthy species, asari employ their economic reach and media ownership to hide the AY pathology from the galactic community, placing most Ardat-Yakshi in monitored work programs or seclusion. Only the most aggressive cases are sentenced to sanitaria and prisons or to the execution lists of justicars..."

(emphasis put in by me)

Are A-Y able to develop some level of empathy the same way we Humans do? I believe it likely, although I imagine they could never become as empathic as normal asari without the benefit of mental fusion. It's conceivable most A-Y suffering from the milder cases manage to adjust to society despite their handicap.

[DOYOURLABS]

Flamewielder wrote...


As a disproportionately wealthy species, asari employ their economic reach and media ownership to hide the AY pathology from the galactic community, placing most Ardat-Yakshi in monitored work programs or seclusion. Only the most aggressive cases are sentenced to sanitaria and prisons or to the execution lists of justicars..."

Ah, so justicars do specifically target AY. I thought it was a unique case that Samara would go after Morinth. It sounded like asari law enforcement would do that. But why monitored work programs? They haven't done anything yet, but are being made to work? If this happens in the monasteries, I think it's strong evidence that they are closer to prisons than asylums.

Also, does the asari government tell the justicars to hunt down the AY, or is it in the code that dangerous AY should be killed if they escape?

[DOYOURLABS]

yorkj86 wrote...


One reason I could think of for why the asari would put all AY in these programs, is that they simply don't trust AY to not mate.  The asari are a sexual species, and mind-joining seems to be integral to being an asari.  They're reducing the risk.

It might also be the asari wanting to prevent paranoia in other species.  They don't want other species to all be paranoid about mating with asari.  The asari think that having a family with another species is one way to understand them.  This might be hypocritical, though.  They want other species to trust them, but they won't trust AY to not mate.

I think this mostly has to do with Bioware wanting to make the asari less-perfect, for ME2.

True, I think it is mentioned in the codex that many AY have problems adjusting to not being able to mate. And to test whether or not one could go without would mean risking lives. 

And it is definitely mentioned in the codex that the asari pay big money to hide it from the media, so people will still mate with them. I don't think it's that hypocritical, since there is no risk of death in mating normal asari. But the trust they want should be given in return to the victims of AY disease. 

BioWare probably thought to themselves "Hmm, maybe we should make it less obvious this is was intended to be a fanservice race?" Not that I don't enjoy the asari 

[Flamewielder]

DOYOURLABS wrote...
Ah, so justicars do specifically target AY. I thought it was a unique case that Samara would go after Morinth. It sounded like asari law enforcement would do that. But why monitored work programs? They haven't done anything yet, but are being made to work? If this happens in the monasteries, I think it's strong evidence that they are closer to prisons than asylums.

Also, does the asari government tell the justicars to hunt down the AY, or is it in the code that dangerous AY should be killed if they escape?

Again, the quote from the Codex "...placing most Ardat-Yakshi in monitored work programs or seclusion. Only the most aggressive cases are sentenced to sanitaria and prisons or to the execution lists of justicars..." suggests monitored work programs are NOT chain gangs or forced labour. Non-dangerous A-Y are still socially challenged and/or sociopathic. Plus, they are being discriminated against and ostracized by normal asari society. They have no voice in the media and are kept hidden like some embarassing STD... You can live a life of seclusion without being in a prison or sanitarium. Think of the plight of AIDS sufferers on Earth...

I think that what is implied by monitored work programs or seclusion is a choice between a semblance of a normal life under supervision from social workers, psychologists and therapists and living alone on the fringes of society, ostracized not just by their goverment but their species as a whole...

Unfair for the A-Y? Yes, fate is also unfair for those who've got AIDS. Is Samara an accomplice in this cruel joke on the victims of the A-Y syndrome? No, insofar as she was chasing after a serial killer and the A-Y syndrome was only the weapon used by Morinth. Justicars chase the agressive/murderous A-Y's, just as they occasionally chase after Spectres who show little regard for the lives of innocents when they hinder their purpose...

To paraphrase Samara: an innocent Ardat-Yakshi is a tragic figure but a sympathetic one (as long as they never kill anyone). Ironically, an asari with a mild case of A-Y might feel more at home among humans on Earth than among her own species on her homeworld of Thessia: Humans learn empathy and social interaction through words and body language alone.

[DOYOURLABS]

Here we go again:

http://social.biowar...3/index/4775626

[Ashira Shepard]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

Here we go again:
http://social.biowar...3/index/4775626

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[MrCasperTom]

Yay! Sarcastic replies ahoy

[Ashira Shepard]

I approve Mr Casper. *sage nod*

[DOYOURLABS]

 Very clever replies. I prefer to go with the good old fashioned facepalm pictures. 

[DOYOURLABS]

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Samara's face model, if you didn't recognize her.