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[MrCasperTom]

[DOYOURLABS]

I don't think anyone would be flattered by that. Well, they would be more flattered than if I did it, unless they like badly drawn stick figures.

Modifié par DOYOURLABS, 12 septembre 2010 - 10:03 .

[Flamewielder]

yorkj86 wrote...
That would be interesting, AY on Earth.   I want to see Earth in ME3.   I'm tired of seeing the Citadel and predominantly-asari areas.  I don't dislike those places, but we have little idea about Earth's state.   I'd like to see a major metropolitan area on Earth.   I'd like see if as many (extraterrestrial) aliens are walking around Paris as are walking around in Nos Astra.   I want to take Samara to a donut shop in NYC, and buy her a toy police badge.  That kind of stuff.

Yes, a visit to Earth would be interesting.  The strong influence of Blade Runner and The Fifth Element on in game visuals and music and the Codex entries regarding Earth and the Earthborn background suggest rampant overpopulation, huge metroplexes like San Angeles in Blade Runner (complete with neon ad-blimps vauting the adventures to be had in the "outer space colonies"...). A melting pot of cultures with several languages combined into "cityspeak" (similar to Sranan Tongo, in Suriname, where it is a blend of English, Dutch, Chinese, Javanese, Creole with some african (or maroon) and native american dialects).

From comments your hear from humans in game and Codex entries, it doesn't sound like aliens are common on Earth. Even diplomacy appears to be handled offworld, on the Citadel. In ME1, Earthborn Shepards gain more Renegade points, suggesting that earthborns are (forgive the pun) more "down to earth" than their idealistic paragon spacer brethren...

[Ashira Shepard]

You guys know how I feel about the character; but I don't even ATTEMPT to draw her.



I know I simply wouldn't do it justice, (just realized the choice of words there) because my drawing isn't that great.



I also find drawing people with hair easier...

[Flamewielder]

The technique is fine, but the emotion conveyed feels wrong when you've seen the original photograph. I love the Morinth-Samara confrontation painting, however!

[MrCasperTom]

AshiraShepard wrote...

You guys know how I feel about the character; but I don't even ATTEMPT to draw her.

I know I simply wouldn't do it justice, (just realized the choice of words there) because my drawing isn't that great.

I also find drawing people with hair easier...

Badumdumtish!

Yeah I don't draw anything because I can't. I couldn't even do a stick figure of the ME sqauddies, let along a detailed version

P.S. - I have started my fanfic. If people complain about the pain of reading some of my writing, I'm blaming you

[Flamewielder]

yorkj86 wrote...
I'd also like to go to Thessia. I want to see how it differs at all from predominantly asari, yet not-officially-asari worlds, like Illium. Samara can take Shepard for the asari equivalent of donuts.

Now that I've seen how the designers handled Liara in LotSB, I'm convinced we will get to see Samara again as a single mission squaddie on Thessia or some other asari-space location. By making the character optional (in case of death) and restricting it to a single relevant mission, you can set up more focused, Samara-specific dialogue with no fear of running out of things for her to say halfway through the game...

The Justicar Order's intelligence and law enforcement database is said to rival that of the SPECTRES. Perhaps one of Shepard's missions in ME3 will involve the Justicars, allowing the player to select Samara along with one of the ME3 squaddies to play that mission. Once the mission is over, you can return to Samara and interact to get a brief cutscene of Shep and Samara meditating together. Having designed conversation trees for fan-made NWN modules, I know it could easily be done (should BW be able to get Maggie Baird onboard).

[DOYOURLABS]

I hope we visit all of the alien homeworlds and Earth. I especially want to see Earth, Palaven, and whatever the Salarian one is. We've seen illium, so Thessia won't be too different, but we have no idea what human, turian, or salarian cities look like.

[Kudara]

Flamewielder wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...
I'd also like to go to Thessia. I want to see how it differs at all from predominantly asari, yet not-officially-asari worlds, like Illium. Samara can take Shepard for the asari equivalent of donuts.

Now that I've seen how the designers handled Liara in LotSB, I'm convinced we will get to see Samara again as a single mission squaddie on Thessia or some other asari-space location. By making the character optional (in case of death) and restricting it to a single relevant mission, you can set up more focused, Samara-specific dialogue with no fear of running out of things for her to say halfway through the game...

The Justicar Order's intelligence and law enforcement database is said to rival that of the SPECTRES. Perhaps one of Shepard's missions in ME3 will involve the Justicars, allowing the player to select Samara along with one of the ME3 squaddies to play that mission. Once the mission is over, you can return to Samara and interact to get a brief cutscene of Shep and Samara meditating together. Having designed conversation trees for fan-made NWN modules, I know it could easily be done (should BW be able to get Maggie Baird onboard).

That would be cool to see the homeworlds for each race, but I'm not sure the texture mapping will allow it with the X-box.  Stupid console game... sorry to those who like it but it's a pain thinking of what we could have but don't because of the x-boxes limitations.

A single mission for each of the old squadmates would be cool.  I'm fully expecting the next DLC to be one with Williams/Alenko.

[DOYOURLABS]

I never thought of the limitations. Would it really do that?

[NICKjnp]

Don't start a console war Kudara... this is one of the few threads where we talk in a civil manner.

[DOYOURLABS]

And I think we still would. I play on the 360, but I never knew about limitations in gameplay.

[Ashira Shepard]

I'm not quite sure it's hypocritical, because Grunt always came across to me like an exuberant child learning about the world around him, even if he does enjoy the battles. He fights to determine the strongest.



Morinth is...not so much. Now in the most affectionate way possible She reminds me of a black mamba, or a puff adder; both are deadly, the latter has caused more fatalities and the adder's bite is very nasty. As a side note, the adder is also very good at hiding and striking where/when you least expect it.

[DOYOURLABS]

Well I think it would be wrong to keep him in the tank, because we had no idea what it would be. When I first played I thought he would be a sissy krogan, as a parallel to Wrex and other krogan. But he turned out to be like my adopted krogan son, which was awesome.



As for Morinth, I don't see anything hypocritical about that. It just doesn't make sense. The only evidence about her power was her seduction, which didn't work if you had high enough paragon or renegade. So there was little reason to believe she was more powerful than Samara.



Morinth and Jack are both serial killers, and approach sex casually. That's all I can think of for comparisons.

[Flamewielder]

NICKjnp wrote...
Don't start a console war Kudara... this is one of the few threads where we talk in a civil manner.

Actually, the mixed platform is something I like, as it means ME3 will run on my current PC and I won't have to buy another expensive game laptop...

[Flamewielder]

yorkj86 wrote...
Let's discuss the discuss, from a roleplaying standpoint, the moral merits of choosing to recruit and release Grunt, and choosing Samara over Morinth. Is it hypocritcal?
Let's do the same for Morinth and Jack.   How are they similar?  How are they different?

Regarding Grunt and Samara/Morinth:

The choices we have to make are fundamentally different:

Grunt - take the squaddie or not, with no prior knowledge of Grunt's personality (essentially a gamble)
versus
Samara/Morinth - choose one over the other, with enough information about either to make an informed decision

The way I saw it, Shepard lost Okeer but still needed all the help he could get. Grunt was an unknown quantity that, if he turned out to be trouble, Shepard could deal with. So Grunt was recruited and Shepard became his battlemaster. Grunt loves to fight but that doesn't make him a murderer: the difference between manslaughter and murder is intent. Krogans fight because they are constantly challenged: by the environment, hostile/lethal fauna, intraspecies competition for limited resources and breeding rights. He's a savage, but is a moral blank slate. It is up to Shepard to help him reconcile his Krogan nature with noble ideals (as Wrex did).

Jack is a bit the same, in the sense that her circumstances made her a sociopath. While Jack's dossier mentions a criminal background, no details are available regarding the severity of her crimes beyond her propensity for violence (she could be in for assault causing bodily harm, manslaughter or murder, we don't know). Shepard can only find out for himself by interviewing her on Purgatory (or discuss it with the warden). Once you get there, it's clear that the prison is in fact nothing but a criminal extorsion/human trafficking operation that cares nothing for justice or ethics. If Jack turns out to be a problem, Shepard can allways turn her in for crimes in Council space where she'll at least get due process... BothJack and Grunt's circumstances can be changed and they were: they were both given an opportunity to shine in their own fashion, among a community that at least treated them with fairness. Given time, they both can manage to "stay out of trouble" (especially if Shepard's around to handle anger management issues).

Morinth's a different beast altogether: her very nature makes her a lethal parasite among sentient beings. She murders creative individuals who's talent will never benefit their community, sucking their strength for her own personal benefit. She's irredeemably sociopathic and no amount of psychotherapy could change that because her illness is written in her physiology (I'm deliberately skirting around genetics here, yorkj86...). Shepard will never be able to prevent her from eventually killing again. Grunt and Jack's anger/violence can at least be directed/managed in a beneficial way (i.e. against Reapers and their allies), not so with Morinth (who will eventually run into some promising young artist and suck her dry of life, depriving the Galaxy of whatever wonderful creation this artist would have graced it with)...

The Renegade/Paragon morality system is an example of a virtue ethics system: Shepard's actions determine his morality with no reliance to an external set of rules or code (the player decides). Samara's actions are guided by deontology ethics, the morality of her choices is determined by an external set of rules: the Code. While a virtuous Code will result in paragon actions most of the time, some conflict is to be expected between virtue and deontology. Some of you may want to keep that in mind if you ever get bored in some philosophy class... you can always write a term paper on the ethics of ME2!  

So to answer your interesting question, yorkj86, I don't think my Shepard made an hypocritical choice by hiring on Grunt, Jack and Samara. The decisions were morally coherent with one another, insofar as Shepard:

• has limited prior knowledge of Grunt and Jack before recruting them, but knows Morinth is a murderous psychopath, 
• is able to use sympathy/friendship to make Grunt and Jack into better individuals while Morinth is physiologically irredeemable.

[Ashira Shepard]

And now I can't get the image of Samara playing Dragonforce out of my head.

I blame you for this, York...

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 13 septembre 2010 - 03:00 .

[Flamewielder]

yorkj86 wrote...

Samara might find a friend in Kant.  Most people don't (I'm not a fan).  Rigid Deontology lacks subtlety and nuance, much like the Code.  That might be why some people find Samara and the Justicars difficult to relate to.

In other news, "Samara and the Justicars" isn't a bad band name.

Actually I never read Kant but I agree with you regarding deontology. Being kind of an idealist, I prefer to teach my children to achieve virtue from within first; then aknowledge laws for what they are, as imperfect compromises that allows society to work but should not be used as a metric of one individual's sense of ethics.

Samara sounds like she started off with a strong personal sense of virtue, then found that this was not enough to deal with Morinth and resorted to deontology to prop her resolve. With that part of her life behind her, I expect virtue ethics will slowly creep back into her character and express itself in a more balanced sense of justice.

...and now I have visions of of Ashira Shepard singing Robert Palmers "Addicted to Love" in front of a line of Justicar guitarists... curse you, york!!!

[Ashira Shepard]

Flamewielder, this is your fault, and yorks...