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[Kudara]

Wow, shades of what my Shepard is going though in my story. She'll probably feel betrayed, after all she has been living perfectly by the code and a paragon Shepard has as well.

If the base is destroyed thought I don't think they will have an actual leg to stand upon.  After all if you got your Spectre status back you had their permisson to do what you were doing.

Modifié par Kudara, 17 septembre 2010 - 02:16 .

[Kudara]

Depends, I suspect from all that I'm hearing that by the time ME3 starts the Council will mostly believe. After all they should have the data from the Collector base, and the data from the turian raids on Cerberus. Not to mention the fact that the salaraian STG started their own investigation into the colony disappearances.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Kudara wrote...

Wow, shades of what my Shepard is going though in my story. She'll probably feel betrayed, after all she has been living perfectly by the code and a paragon Shepard has as well.

If the base is destroyed thought I don't think they will have an actual leg to stand upon.  After all if you got your Spectre status back you had their permisson to do what you were doing.

You do know that a paragon Shepard does alot of actions that could get them into trouble.

Sorta like re-writing the Geth, curing the genophage, releasing the Rachni.

It could look like Shepard is gathering an army composed of old council enemies, perhaps in order launch an attack on council space?

Like a certain specter did in the previous game.

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

Criminals wanting to eliminate
influential crime-fighters? That doesn't sound so outlandish. Corrupt
policemen wanting to eliminate incorruptible super-cops doesn't sound so
outlandish, either. I'd love to hear a story from Samara about how she
somehow traced a failed hit on her back to some corrupt police
officials.

It gives more credibility to her process for when cops want to take her in, the whole 24 hour "wait then destroy" is for if there is a chance a bunch of corrupt cops may be holding her captive and she doesn't know. This is mere speculation of course, but it might be amendment of the Code for when Justicars were loopholed by imposter cops into being taken into custody and were killed because at the time the Code forbid them from doing so, or they were just caught off guard.

Thoughts?


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Flamewielder wrote...

Even legitimate asari intelligence agencies will have put together a plan to eliminate a potential Justicar threat. It's a normal part of contingency planning in any organization. If the Order ever becomes hostile to the asari government, these agencies have to have at least an outline for an action plan.

That opens the door to abuse by corrupt politicians, endoctrinated bureaucrats and government agents (like Saren), etc... Justicars and their Order are far from invulnerable. Lots of scenario potential there for ME3, with or without Samara as a squaddie.

And I agree with you Mak: fringe vigilantes have likely tried it more than once. However, a full-fledged government crack down on the Order would have wiped the Justicars out eventually, overwhelming them by sheer number if nothing else.

Its intriguing to think about the possible "hits" that have been attempted on Samara, obviously she has managed to outclass anyone who's stepped in her path. I'm not sure if its cause Justicars are underestimated or if they are specifically trained to have high awareness of such possible traps. Shows just how much trust Shepard gained from Samara for just doing that one mission for her. Or maybe she just wanted to get out of that police station in haste and did what she had to do (bind herself to Shepard).

Then there is also the Nihlus encounter, the notion that perhaps the Spectre certainly didn't want any Justicar blood on his hands, so he spent most of his time fleeing from Samara until he found a way out. That is the difference between Justicars and Spectres, the latter can freelance but also has free will to avoid unnessecery confrontations that could result in cross-species distasters. Samara as we see, holds no qualms about that, and has to work within and around the rigid enablers of the Code.

Thoughts?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

yorkj86 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Kudara wrote...

Wow, shades of what my Shepard is going though in my story. She'll probably feel betrayed, after all she has been living perfectly by the code and a paragon Shepard has as well.

If the base is destroyed thought I don't think they will have an actual leg to stand upon.  After all if you got your Spectre status back you had their permisson to do what you were doing.

You do know that a paragon Shepard does alot of actions that could get them into trouble.

Sorta like re-writing the Geth, curing the genophage, releasing the Rachni.

It could look like Shepard is gathering an army composed of old council enemies, perhaps in order launch an attack on council space?

Like a certain specter did in the previous game.

And all of this after being exposed to Reaper technology/presence, over the course of two games.  If they know about the monstrosity that became Paul  Grayson, they could say that Cerberus might have done similar things to Shepard.

And even without all the Reaper stuff. Shepard could still be seen as an charasmatic warlord who uses diplomacy and good PR in order to unite old bitter enemies under his banner, and to make matters worse, he's also quite popular with the masses if you saved the council (hence the good PR).

[Giggles_Manically]

I think if she saw it was a corrupt trial and based only on politics then she would.



I just want her back in ME3 she is vital to my Sentinel runs, as well as Grunt.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

yorkj86 wrote...

To keep us on-topic, and since it didn't really get much discussion, I'll ask again - Would Samara participate in breaking Shepard out of prison, if he were to be charged, brought in and convicted?

Would Samara risk losing Justicar-hood to break Shepard out?

I'm still not so sure.

That's a pretty good question. Perhaps if it's a paragon Shep she will realise that even the law can be wrong at times, and you don't need to follow the code in order to serve justice. Beside it would be awesome to see her wipe the floor with a patrol of c-sec escorting Shepard.

But on other hand, I could easily imagine her go all "You have been added to the top of the excecution list of the justicar order, so i'm afraid I have to kill you now!" "biotic-punch-to-face" .

[Flamewielder]

Anderson quitting the Council (and drinking, judging from his SB dossier) doesn't bode well for Shepard. Shepard's team, however, may have dispersed to investigate potential cases of Reaper indoctrination in an effort to identify Harbinger's "other way" back.



The Reaper threat places the Council species in a hard place: sure, they can slowly build up their military to face the coming reaper invasion (assuming they believe it's coming), but any military buildup will be perceived by non-council species as a prelude to an expansion into what they perceive as "their turf". Hence the "legitimate" concern of Alliance over Shepard and Anderson's perceived fear-mongering. Whatever attempt they make to silence them must avoid turning a goddamn hero into a bloody martyr...



The Reapers' existence must be demonstrated incontrovertibly, in order to convince not just the Council but also non-council species. That's a lot of convincing to do. That's a sound justification for the alien crew to leave the Normandy before ME3 to conduct some much needed footwork. And since the Shadow Broker is likely going to provide interesting leads... I can envision several possible missions that would involve Shepard's new squad and familiar faces from ME1 and 2 collaborating on relevant missions.

[Flamewielder]

Samara would definitely break Shepard out of prison if it was judged to be unjust detention. I'm afraid she'd likely use a rather direct approach... Hopefully, Shep's other friends will offer a "discrete" option allowing for minimal casualties (especially if most prison guards see Shepard as just another perp...).

[Xilizhra]

If Liara ends up going fully Renegade in ME3, I could see Shepard and Samara teaming up to take her down.. I think it'd be quite fascinating and emotionally wrought, especially if Liara was Shepard's previous LI... and if Samara ends up as one as well.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

yorkj86 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If Liara ends up going fully Renegade in ME3, I could see Shepard and Samara teaming up to take her down.. I think it'd be quite fascinating and emotionally wrought, especially if Liara was Shepard's previous LI... and if Samara ends up as one as well.

We'd get to see how Samara and Shepard have affected each other, and how Liara has drifted a ways from the person she used to be.

I don't think Liara will go crazy with power and I certainly hope she won't. But if it came to Shepard and Samara killing Liara? Man, that would just be heartbreaking for me. And althrough I did "romance" Samara in ME2, it would seem somewhat sleazy for Shepard to just jump at Samara after he's just killed Liara.

[Flamewielder]

Liara has shown herself to be idealistic and well-intentioned, in ME1 and even to a degree in ME2. So was her mother, when she tried to reign in Saren but fell to Reaper indoctrination... A lot of bad things can be done in the interest of "the greater good", as many of Samara's critics are quick to point out...



I can already envision a title: "Sins of the Mother". Appropriate to both Liara and Samara... I can see it being a rather insightful examination of both characters inner conflicts.



...and since my Paragon points are maxed out, I'm not worried: there'll be a Paragon option to keep them both alive!

[Xilizhra]

Not jump at her afterwards; be sort of conflicted about it throughout the whole thing, realizing that her first asari love has been consumed by darkness but still wanting to bring her out of it, but also having another...

[PseudoEthnic]

Does anyone have a .gf of Samara standing still while she strokes her hand across her exposed abdomen? I've seen it in the game, but it went too fast for me to see it.

[PseudoEthnic]

yorkj86 wrote...

PseudoEthnic wrote...

Does anyone have a .gf of Samara standing still while she strokes her hand across her exposed abdomen? I've seen it in the game, but it went too fast for me to see it.

The idle animation where she looks as if she's adjusting the front of her suit?   Or is that a different one?

I think it's the one you're talking about.

[Ashira Shepard]

yorkj86 wrote...

When you first recruit Samara, and welcome her aboard the Normandy, there's the usual scene in the communication room aboard the ship. When she walks in, Jacob just takes her hand and shakes it. I always thought that that's funny for multiple reasons.

Frankly I think all the comm room cutscenes involving Jacob are kind of...off.

"Don't forget to introduce yourself to EDI, the ships new AI."

WTF JACOB! ITS TALI!


"That is if you're comfortable having an assassin watch your back."

Put it back in your pants, Jacob, this is not a measuring contest. <_<

*handshake and civility*