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[Flamewielder]

AshiraShepard wrote...
Frankly I think all the comm room cutscenes involving Jacob are kind of...off.
"Don't forget to introduce yourself to EDI, the ships new AI."
WTF JACOB! ITS TALI!
"That is if you're comfortable having an assassin watch your back."
Put it back in your pants, Jacob, this is not a measuring contest. <_<
*handshake and civility*

Jacob kinda fills in the same role as Ash in the first ME: it's a decidedly human perspective, all good intentions, flaws, warts and all...
Jacob's a good person, even if his romance is meh and he's a social clutz around aliens... I think he took up military life to give his life a direction his father was not around to give. In a sense, the military was his only family. He found brotherhood, an appreciation for duty and service, a self-discipline many would envy. Even Samara respects him, acknowledging his qualities and also sensing his inner conflict without naming it. He has potential for greatness, but will be broken as a person if he fails this mission.

His 5 year tour of duty in the Alliance military likely fulfilled the role of his absent father in late adolescence (~18-25 years old). Once he got as much out of it as he could, he left.

[Xilizhra]

I actually wonder... what would be the best way to turn Samara into an LI in ME3, if possible?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

I actually wonder... what would be the best way to turn Samara into an LI in ME3, if possible?

As weird as it is. I think having Samara become a LI would remove some of the appeal of wanting to romance her in the first place. And might possibly reduce the power of that one certain scene in ME2.

But despite this, I have confidence in Bioware that they would know how to make it work. And not have Samara do a character personality switch in order to romance her.

But as for the question ifself? I have no idea on how it should be, or how it should start.

[Captain Iglo]

I guess that decision of her would come with the same heartbeat where she would decide to step down as a Justicar. I think she could decide that this final mission is her ultimate dedication to the oath and that her duty is done after that...maybe she could find some peace with shepard  if all is over.

I dont know if that is even possible...can a Justicar just step down? Or is the only way to exit death?

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 18 septembre 2010 - 02:03 .

[Xilizhra]

Well, the way I'm playing it in the story I'm (co-)writing now is that Samara extends her oath to Shepard for the whole period of time of fighting the Reapers (an inspiration for which I must thank AshiraShepard), and she wouldn't have made the same decision if there wasn't a crisis... but she decides that, at this time and place, she does want to be with Shepard romantically. That said, there isn't a sex scene before the Omega-4 relay; Samara does come up to Shepard's cabin, but they decide not to meld because Samara feels that it'd fundamentally change her identity, which would be bad for her own focus during the extremely deadly mission coming up. And Shepard, for her part, has too many memories of the pre-Ilos night with Liara (who's dead here) to be fully comfortable with it, so both are perfectly fine with abstaining. They do share a kiss, though.

[Flamewielder]

Xilizhra wrote...

I actually wonder... what would be the best way to turn Samara into an LI in ME3, if possible?

So far, the conscensus in this thread seems to be that any "romance" with Samara should be hard-won, subtle and reflect the utmost respect of each other's respective circumstances.

Samara is bound by her Oaths and will be so until death (unless BW says otherwise in ME3). So any romantic involvement would mostly be a profound friendship. Samara will never again be part of a family (Oath of Solitude), so a Shepard-Samara romance will not shoot for that.

In truth, Shepard would have to accept that Samara will always put the Code first and Shepard second. That's what Samara was forced to do with her daughter... This is a lot to ask of anyone... On the other hand, a paragon Shepard is exactly the type of heroic figure who would honor Samara's sacrifice by a comparable one.

We all agree that anything less than an epic love story would diminish the character, so we'd rather not see any romance than suffer a cheap one.

[Xilizhra]

Could you define "family" here? I definitely don't want to write the Code out of Samara's life, so any clarification possible would be very helpful.



Also, what you're looking for with "epic" would be great too.

[NICKjnp]

Xilizhra wrote...

Could you define "family" here? I definitely don't want to write the Code out of Samara's life, so any clarification possible would be very helpful.

Also, what you're looking for with "epic" would be great too.

She won't settle down, get married or have anymore children.

[Xilizhra]

Children are an easy write-off, and it's very possible that Shepard won't really want to settle down. Spectrehood is in her blood now. The lack of marriage is a bit of a shame, but I suppose Shepard and Samara themselves will understand what they have with each other, and that's enough.

[Xilizhra]

Shepard's taste in clothing will always remain her own. But she might well become a sort of pseudo-justicar to help Samara.

[Ashira Shepard]

yorkj86 wrote...

Shepard can buy an identical suit and they can run around doing Justicar stuff together. If it's MaleShep, it's not as if Mark Meer doesn't have a history of cross-dressing.

*imagines Sheploo in Samara's clothing*

Dear gods why?  

[Flamewielder]

Xilizhra wrote...
Could you define "family" here? I definitely don't want to write the Code out of Samara's life, so any clarification possible would be very helpful.
Also, what you're looking for with "epic" would be great too.

The Oath of Solitude requires Samara to forsake family, a requirement that serves 2 purposes:

1) No family member can be threatened in an attempt to coerce the Justicar into breaking with the prescriptions of the Code.

2) Former family member cannot expect preferential treatment, so that the Code can be applied fairly and equally to all.

This is particularly necessary in the case of children, as Samara discovered to her grief, and a bondmate. But the Code doesn't forbid romance, as long as the justicar remains impartial towards her lover (difficult enough) in matters of justice. Any long-term partner of Samara would have to understand the Code, in order to avoid any pitfall... And her *__* would also helps Shepard to toe the line.

What I'm looking for when I use the term "epic"? Well...

An understated love story, subtle, ambiguous. True nobility and sacrifice. A romance different from any of the others, as dignified as Samara is. Perhaps even seeing Samara sacrificing herself to save Shepard... that sort of thing. Something that transcends life. In ME2's "almost" romance, Samara mentions "another life" that can either be taken as "the life I couldn't have" (i.e. had her offspring been normal and she'd been available) or some sort of "next life" (afterlife, reincarnation, etc...). I found this a surprising change from the more predictable romances of ME1 and 2.

A few months ago I wrote a short bit of dialogue for what could have been a climactic conclusion to ME3. In it, Shepard, Ashley and Samara found themselves into some kind of control room where a self-destruct mechanism had to be activated (with no time delay). When our heroic Shepard ordered Ash and Sam to return to the ship, Ash (as the LI) refuses to leave so she can die with Shepard; before Shepard can argue, Sam (an unrequited LI) biotically throws them out of the room, sealing herself in while whispering "Another time, Shepard... another life".

It actually inspired Ashira to write a great short story, although her version of Shepard is quite different than mine...

[Kudara]

yorkj86 wrote...

Shepard can buy an identical suit and they can run around doing Justicar stuff together. If it's MaleShep, it's not as if Mark Meer doesn't have a history of cross-dressing.

brainbleach!

[Kudara]

New chapters (or at least one's I haven't mentioned here before) up of my story Who Saves the Hero.

http://www.fanfictio..._Saves_the_Hero
and
http://www.fanfictio..._Saves_the_Hero

Edit: Yes Flame you played a large part in my thinking on Samara in Ch. 25.  Did you want an authors note?

Modifié par Kudara, 18 septembre 2010 - 07:51 .

[Flamewielder]

Kudara wrote...

New chapters (or at least one's I haven't mentioned here before) up of my story Who Saves the Hero.

http://www.fanfictio..._Saves_the_Hero
and
http://www.fanfictio..._Saves_the_Hero

Edit: Yes Flame you played a large part in my thinking on Samara in Ch. 25.  Did you want an authors note?

None necessary: discussing Samara was reward enough for me!

[Ashira Shepard]

Kudara wrote...
brainbleach!

For all your memory wiping needs

I need a few bottles myself...considering the images I stumbled upon looking for that picture...

But on-topic, will read your latest chapters Kudara. I started on the 24th but stopped half-way through, my head/mood wasn't exactly set at the time for reading. Anyway! *runs away to read*

[Ashira Shepard]

Still reading, but Kudara, I don't know what it is about your writing, which is as excellent as usual, but I keep seeing the Protheans like this ->







Protoss. I don't know why, what hints have been given to the Protheans actualy appearance is nothing seemingly close to Protoss, but i keep picturing them that way. Its kinda cool

[Kudara]

That would be really cool, unfortunately we're stuck with some rather strange looking statues. To help things along I decided those were 'aged sages' that the public works department bought way too many of and sticks in every public garden.

Hey it works, I've no doubt the sculptor was someone's child or niece/nephew.

Anyway, that allows you to imagine a rather more robust figure than the statues show.

Modifié par Kudara, 19 septembre 2010 - 12:38 .

[Ashira Shepard]

Protoss looking Protheans it is then XD

[Kudara]

The statues we see don't really work for me, if you look at them from the side you'll see two of those root looking things running between the two bones of the seated figure's arm and body, essentially binding the upper arm to the body.



I can't figure it out and at this point I'm wondering if those tendrils we see on the face are actually there or representative of something else.

[Xilizhra]

Thanks for the advice, Flame. I'm tossing ideas around with my coauthor now, and will keep it in mind. I have no doubt that Samara will remain impartial towards Shepard in matters of justice... I have equally little doubt that Shepard will never make her need to be. I'm not quite sure how understated I can make it, but it won't just involve quick sex or anything.