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[zvbxrpl]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Yeah, comedy and Samara don't mix very well. I can't even hardly imagine Samara laughing.

I can't imagine her enjoying a joke, certainly, but I could see a knowing chuckle here or there.  But I don't think she's all that happy.  I don't even think she's content, really--her serenity sometimes seems to be a kind of resignation.  She couldn't have a life of her own, so she's hunting down the people that keep innocents from having what she couldn't.

[7Makaveli]

So now we've gone from linking comedy and cheesiness to linking comedy and happiness? This is somewhat perplexing, as those things only partially go hand in hand. I only said that I wanted some lighthearted material regarding Samara which could be plausible in some contexts and came to find that some of us think of Samara as wrapped in a kind of self-loathing, depressive, pessimistic, jaded, world-weary blanket. That's not at all how I think of Samara, I think she is and at one time was more than that. Just because we see her in the game at the part of her life where she has to be so stoic doesn't mean there wasn't more there before (especially when you've lived 1000 years), and I revel in the brief moments where those parts of her gleam through. I'm concerned there are those who perceive her as the "woe-is-me paladin"


Oh well, maybe I'm overreacting, but its only cause people seem to be so adamant about this. I also might be trying to spurn some conversation through controversy.......but I will keep this in mind when considering writing some quickfics....

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 25 septembre 2010 - 08:51 .

[NICKjnp]

I think she is singing her favorite song by her favorite musician Mordin Solus... "I am the very model of a Scientist Salarian'.

You know you sing your songs when you are alone and nobody can hear you... Shepard just happened to walk in when she thought nobody would hear her sing.

Modifié par NICKjnp, 25 septembre 2010 - 08:57 .

[zvbxrpl]

I'm not adamant, I just think that, if Samara has a sense of humor, it's probably a bit gallowsy, rather than mirthful.



On a related, late-to-the-party note, I've read her dossier. Whoof. If a list of donations hurts that much to read, I think the writers have performed admirably.

[Kudara]

I do think that Samara still has a sense of humor, I also think she's very guarded and it takes the right people and right surroundings for that to really come out. Which is why we only see it on the Observation Deck where it's just her and Shepard.



I don't see it in public, she has the justicar mask on firmly there.

[NICKjnp]

Kudara wrote...

I do think that Samara still has a sense of humor, I also think she's very guarded and it takes the right people and right surroundings for that to really come out. Which is why we only see it on the Observation Deck where it's just her and Shepard.

I don't see it in public, she has the justicar mask on firmly there.

Being a Justicar isn't a mask.... it is what she is.  Detective Anaya clearly states that the person that Samara was no longer exists.  She is a Justicar now... nothing more.... nothing less.

[Ashira Shepard]

NICKjnp wrote...
Being a Justicar isn't a mask.... it is what she is.  Detective Anaya clearly states that the person that Samara was no longer exists.  She is a Justicar now... nothing more.... nothing less.

She's also a person.

I think, what Kudara meant was that - like some people - Samara isn't open towards just anyone.

Example, my mother is insane in the best way, wild, crazy, funny etc.

When around people who don't know her, she turns into a serious and polite woman of class. (she's always classy, but you get what I mean) She turns into a completely different person around those she's comfortable with.

I suspect the same goes here =P

I'd also like to ask how Detective Anaya can see into Samara's mind to know for sure nothing of Samara's "former" personality remains.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 26 septembre 2010 - 02:22 .

[NICKjnp]

I think her former self it gone... I think that is part of the Justicar training. Who Samara was is gone... now she simply is a Justicar.

[Kudara]

Respectfully I disagree Nick, I don't think you can so easily do away with a part of yourself.

You may tell yourself you can, but in reality unless those memories of your younger life are somehow removed they will always affect you.

I think what the Detective said is a romanticized view of the Justicars promoted by the videos about them.

Modifié par Kudara, 26 septembre 2010 - 04:08 .

[Kudara]

I still say that if you go back and re-watch how Samara acts around the Detective and how Samara acts when it's just Shepard and you will immediately see what I mean about her relaxing and showing more of herself than just the mask which portrays how others expect her to act in her role (as justicar).

[Kudara]

Sigh, I hate it when my browser does that.

Modifié par Kudara, 26 septembre 2010 - 04:12 .

[Kudara]

AshiraShepard wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...
Being a Justicar isn't a mask.... it is what she is.  Detective Anaya clearly states that the person that Samara was no longer exists.  She is a Justicar now... nothing more.... nothing less.

She's also a person.

I think, what Kudara meant was that - like some people - Samara isn't open towards just anyone.

Example, my mother is insane in the best way, wild, crazy, funny etc.

When around people who don't know her, she turns into a serious and polite woman of class. (she's always classy, but you get what I mean) She turns into a completely different person around those she's comfortable with.

I suspect the same goes here =P

I'd also like to ask how Detective Anaya can see into Samara's mind to know for sure nothing of Samara's "former" personality remains.

Exactly Ashira, the Detective can't know what's in Samara's mind.  She doesn't know the Justicar and she's probably only been around her for a few minutes.

[7Makaveli]

Look, I found a missing file in Samara's Shadow Broker Dossier

Execution Log: Justicar Samara

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Subject: Eclipse Sister

Code Infringement Analysis: Refusal to comply with Justicar in extreme matters or denying critical information (Sutra 4056)

Approach Method: Unapologetic pursuit

Status: Dead via neck stepping

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Subject: Spectre Nihlus

Code Infringement Analysis: Killed innocent/unsuspecting civilian (Sutra 8)

Approach Method: Engaged on sight

Status: Escaped (dead by other means)

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Subject: Morinth

Code Infringement Analysis: Murders with intent (Sutra 125)

Approach Method: Elaborate trap in cooperation with Commander Shepard, engaged while under Oath of Subsumation to the Commander

Status: Dead via head bashing

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Subject: Collectors

Code Infringement Analysis: Mass genocide (Sutra 2190)

Approach Method: Engage on sight

Status: Dead via carnage

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Okay so by now you should have figured out I made this up

anyway, this is what I've been talking about in regards to approaching the character from a subtle comedic perspective. Just gotta be creative and not have to resort to invoking an arbitrarily jaded personality on the character. Sure we're supposed to see the character as presented, but we should also try to uproot the subtle references we get from their behavior into our imagination and try to make something more. That's what fiction is about. This is just one way I could envision something humorous being added to Samara's dossier, there is nothing cheesy or forced about this imo.


I will now lay this topic to rest unless someone comes along with comments like "Samara shouldnt even smile..." <_<

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 26 septembre 2010 - 04:26 .

[Kudara]

I'm just saying that Samara, like most of us is a many faceted character. Assuming that the facet you see at any one time is the entirety of the character is likely to lead one into a falsehood.



For example, I'm sure the Eclipse mercs are convinced that Shepard is just a killing machine. That's hardly all Shepard is however.

[Kudara]

Haha Mak, I like the dead via carnage for the Collectors

[7Makaveli]

Kudara wrote...

Haha Mak, I like the dead via carnage for the Collectors

Glad you liked

I just wanted to show an example of something related to Samara that could be funny, I hope it justifies my previous comments. I still don't understand the position many had regarding Samara and comedy not being related, not ever laughing, or having a completely depressed outlook on life even through a sense of humor. I guess its just the cheerful inner child in me, I just can't see Samara that way.

EDIT: not saying everyone is wrong, because obviously there isn't evidence either way in-game lol, but no need to slam the door shut when you can just leave it a crack open ;D

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 26 septembre 2010 - 04:25 .

[zvbxrpl]

I've said so multiple times upthread, but I think that we really can't tell what's going to happen with Samara in the future. She became a justicar in part to atone for and in part to hunt down Morinth. If you did the loyalty mission, Morinth is gone. Samara's going to be taking stock of a lot of things that she had taken for granted for 400 years. She may hardly change or she may change a lot, but she's just not in the same place as in the start of ME2 by the end of the same game. So we should be on the lookout for character development.

[zvbxrpl]

I doubt she'll stop justicar-ing, but I think her relationship with the role or her perspective on it might change. Morinth being gone is not just 'OK, the distractions are gone so now I can concentrate on the Reapers.' It is, as Samara says, "I just killed the bravest and smartest of my daughters." To have Samara not be dealing with a lot of conflicting emotions under the surface would just be poor writing, frankly.

[Flamewielder]

I think Samara didn't bequeath her sense of humor to the Justicar order, but she's old enough to have heard most jokes in one version or another. Her life has been so filled with tragedy, I have trouble imagining her laughing her guts out... but I have no trouble picturing her smiling at a witty or clever comment, perhaps a soft chuckle if that comment came from Shepard in a private setting. I can DEFINITELY imagine Samara making deliberate deadpan comments, all the time being aware of the humorous interpretation her squadmates could give them.

[Flamewielder]

As for Samara's scent, I imagine a mix of musk (following exertion), burnt metal (from ejected heatsinks) and ozone (from stressed mass effect shields). I imagine she'd be using whatever soap is available onboard, which I expect would be unscented (unless she got friendly enough with a female crewmember to be offered something "more feminine"...).

[Flamewielder]

Kudara wrote...
Haha Mak, I like the dead via carnage for the Collectors

Although given Samara's preference for assault rifles, that should probably be "dead via overkill"...