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[ADLegend21]

ranamary wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

Bump. Also Rana you're awesome!!!

Yipee! Thank you! 

anytime!

[Tiercel24]

Hey just wanted to say its great to see the Samara love rising! Also I want to say thank you and good luck to Rana in her great endeavor. Such a rare thing for something like that to come about and for a good cause

Wanted to share some thoughts on Samara as well  

Before playing ME2 I already thought that Samara seemed like the most interesting character in the group through the trailers and pictures. So of course on my first playthrough I couldn't wait to finally encounter her(on the second group of dossiers no less!). When I finally hit Illium I was not disappointed(usually never are with Bioware).

She just struck me like no other video game character has both aesthetically and in her personality , attributed to Rana, Maggie Baird, and Bioware of course.

I came to find that Samara is such a deep character and so complex and intriguing. There are so many ways you can describe her........honorable, cold, driven, heroine, vigilante, and most of all tragic.

Anyway I could go on and on. To sum it up she is my fav character and I know she's gonna be in ME3 with hopefully a trip to Thessia with her thrown in for good measure

I would definitely be one of those ppl who would be happy to see the romance too! 


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Love this pic for the lighting, eyes just astounding!!

Modifié par Tiercel24, 01 octobre 2010 - 06:08 .

[Flamewielder]

yorkj86 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
I can't see how any of the squad mates wouldn't be in ME3. ME2 is just too focused on those characters for them to cease to matter in the next game. It would be as if the only thing that really mattered in the second game was blowing up some random Collector base. Like that really dealt the Reapers a crippling blow? Not bloody likely. No, ME2 felt too much like a setup for ME3 for them to wipe the slate clean and start over with all-new people by Shepard's side. And since Samara is the 'Jedi' of this game, she HAS to be there. Like she's going to go back to chasing asari serial killers when the entire galaxy is being threatened? Pfft, that has Greater Good written all over it.

Yes.  ME2 already feels disconnected enough from the main plot.   Having the ME2 squad absent from ME3 would make ME2 out to be a total waste of time, for Shepard & crew, and for the player.

Indeed, ME2 felt like I was reading a ME short stories collection (good ones) more than the second novel in a Shepard vs Reapers trilogy...
While I acknowlege the near-impossibility of ME3 using only ME2 squaddies (who may or may not have survived or been recruited), I sincerely hope they will include them each in their own character-specific mission, similar to LotSB. I've written conversation trees for some fan-made NWN mods and these would be insane to write for 12  "trap door" full squaddies; insane or oversimplified, which would be insulting for the characters we love. The single-mission squaddie simplifies the tree while allowing great character development and interaction in a relevant setting.

[magelet]

Actually one of the things I liked about Samara was that she wasn't a romance option. I mean she's like almost a thousand years old; I feel like Shepard would see her more as a matriarchal figure or a respected advisor. I kind of thought of her character like...Wynne from Dragon Age.

Not that a Samara romance wouldn't be interesting, it just made more sense to me that there wasn't one.

[Flamewielder]

And just because Ash likes it (and Maggie and Rana deserve the admiration):

[ranamary]

NICKjnp wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

I thought her eyes were ice blue?

Those are grey eyes->


For some reason people think mine are either blue or grey. Or a mix of both, depends on the lighting apparently.

In other news, does anyone know (or has tried) running through missions in ME2 after having "replaced" Shepard with Samara? For the lulz of course

She has been answering questions... we should ask our friendly neighberhood Justicar is her eyes are grey or blue.  So... Rana... are your eyes grey or blue?

depends on the lighting but mostly they are grey blue

[NICKjnp]

ranamary wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

I thought her eyes were ice blue?

Those are grey eyes->


For some reason people think mine are either blue or grey. Or a mix of both, depends on the lighting apparently.

In other news, does anyone know (or has tried) running through missions in ME2 after having "replaced" Shepard with Samara? For the lulz of course

She has been answering questions... we should ask our friendly neighberhood Justicar is her eyes are grey or blue.  So... Rana... are your eyes grey or blue?

depends on the lighting but mostly they are grey blue

Then you and I have the same type of eyes.

[Absurd]

Samara is a little bit strange to me. Following the rigid Code/Oaths but helping Shepard without question. Despite my initial worries she turned out to be very loyal friend. I chose her for shielding from seeker swarm at SM and seeing her strugling to help the squad, combined with this beautiful music track was... touching, to say the least. I think it is "my" most unique moment from ME2.

I actually value her friendship as it is possible for computer game character. When I was wandering aboard SR-2, just after stopping the Collectors, conflicted about final choice, she really helped by supporting my destruction of the base. Wow, there can be friendship between hetero- man and women - in games, but it's better than nothing.

One thing I don't quite understand - for me there was no possible romance between her and Shepard, they barely know each other and she was (as a game character) kinda underdeveloped in this field. She just spoken about mission, her oaths and justicars. No place for LI for me. Or maybe she just wasn't my type.

Concluding - BioWare, please, give me more Samara in ME3 or DLC.

[Absurd]

yorkj86 wrote...

Well, Samara is under-developed in the romance area because she's not interested due to her dedication to her duties.  As there is little lead-up to the "almost-romance", the let-down isn't quite as harsh, but it is pretty devastasting to see affected so deeply, emotionally.

As for the roleplaying implications of Samara struggling to keep the biotic shield up in order to protect others, I hadn't really thought about that.  Good point.  It says a lot about Samara.

Yeah, I know she has duties etc. Just hearing Shepard talking about their "connection" was quite ridiculous, since he doesn't know her outside her work. But maybe it's just me and other gamers felt something for her. But propably more like "love from first sight" because there wasn't really place to develop passion between them. Anyway, another score for BioWare for variety of feelings and levels of relationship. I can't recall too much "almost-romances" from another games, it's usually yes/no situation.

[Ashira Shepard]

Players can know about as much about the other LIs and still fall head over heels for them.

FemSheps aren't even told about Garrus's family back home Nice of those SB files to drop the ball for him. Otherwise, they know his morals, what happened with Sidonis, that he was formerly C-Sec etc and that he loves calibrations.

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 02 octobre 2010 - 03:49 .

[Absurd]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Players can know about as much about the other LIs and still fall head over heels for them.

Maybe you're right. I felt all romance options in ME2 were... unrealistic. It all went too fast and definitely - too easy. I haven't felt unsatisfied by romancing Liara in ME1 though. If I remember correctly, it was developing for a little bit longer and was fueled by fascination for each other. In ME2 the most believable option is propably Tali. We already know her and she likes Shepard very much and can't hide it.

Modifié par Absurd, 02 octobre 2010 - 04:58 .

[Ashira Shepard]

Absurd wrote...
Maybe you're right. I felt all romance options in ME2 were... unrealistic. It all went to fast and definitely - too easy. I haven't felt unsatisfied by romancing Liara in ME1 though. If I remember correctly, it was developing for a little bit longer and was fueled by fascination for each other. In ME2 the most believable option is propably Tali. We already know her and she likes Shepard very much and can't hide it.

I really hope bioware doesn't do this again

Keep the gameplay of ME2, bring back the fantastic story of ME1 and the character interactions too.

For now I'll just crawl back to my fanfiction...*types away*

[brgillespie]

Samara shouldn't be a romance option in ME3. It was handled well in ME2. Leave it at that. As her character states, she's been alive for a long time and knows exactly what she wants. Better put later on: "in another lifetime".



For me, it'd compromise her character motivation. She's a Justicar, she has her code, she's been living that Code for a very long time.

[Ashira Shepard]

I think the problem might be tied up in most people assuming that following through with a romance automatically makes certain that the pairing in question will settle down, marry, have kids etc. I don't see that when I picture Shep and Samara together.



What I see is them following said Code in parallel, with Shepard being the assitance rather than the other way around. They keep fighting, they keep royally effing up the bad guy's day and the galaxy is a "nicer" place. They' just happen to be together. *shrug*



I don't know if that sounded silly but I'm not quite sure how else to describe it.

[Flamewielder]

yorkj86 wrote...
I guess you could also say that some of the characters dive head-first into the culmination of the romance arcs because there's the chance that they won't return from the trip through the Omega-4, because no one has ever returned.  It's a leap of faith kind of thing.

Interesting, as it's how I described my decision to accept my wife's invitation to stay over on the night we first met... Some people take a lot of time to "open up" in any circumstance, impending doom may certainly encourage them to make that leap while they can...

Of course, these game romances can feel "fast-forwarded" due to the nature of the medium; but given my own RL experience, it felt reasonable enough to me (and I've been with my wife since our first meeting in 2000). Sex is rarely the culmination of a romantic relationship, it's just a (very) important component of it.

Samara's refusal says a lot about her state of mind, it confirms what she stated previously:"I truly am at peace, due in no small part to you." While the other LI's may feel the barb of "impending doom" needling them into the relationship, Samara does not. Her acceptance of a fighting death as the unavoidable end of all justicars is not feigned. She is at peace, and people at peace are not goaded into rash or impulsive action (like falling for a young human hero)...

...but they are patient and Samara HAS feelings for paragon/gade Shep, so it may be just a matter of time (say a decade or two... asari ARE long-lived). And as any parent of teens can confirm, surviving your children's 40 YEARS of adolescence requires saintly amounts of patience...

Modifié par Flamewielder, 02 octobre 2010 - 12:59 .

[Kudara]

Snicker, it seems like you and I have similar experiences Flame. I to met and fell in love in a very short time, and we've been together for 13 years now. And I still can't imagine being with anyone else and am very thankful every day for her.

Love can be slow or quick, it can surprise you in the end with how easy and simple it can be with someone whose right for you.  Especially when both sides are equally vested in working out any difficulties.

Oh and I agree Samara isn't going to be rushed into anything, she is at peace and I just don't see her jumping into bed the few hours before the Omega 4 relay jump.  It made sense with Liara etc. on the way to Ilos, but in the same way it doens't make sense for Samara to do it.

She's hardly suffering from the 'i don't really want to die without ever experiencing 1. joining and 2. joining with you the first person i've falling in love with.'

Modifié par Kudara, 02 octobre 2010 - 03:14 .

[Flamewielder]

Kudara wrote...

Snicker, it seems like you and I have similar experiences Flame. I to met and fell in love in a very short time, and we've been together for 13 years now. And I still can't imagine being with anyone else and am very thankful every day for her.

Love can be slow or quick, it can surprise you in the end with how easy and simple it can be with someone whose right for you.  Especially when both sides are equally vested in working out any difficulties.

Oh and I agree Samara isn't going to be rushed into anything, she is at peace and I just don't see her jumping into bed the few hours before the Omega 4 relay jump.  It made sense with Liara etc. on the way to Ilos, but in the same way it doens't make sense for Samara to do it.

She's hardly suffering from the 'i don't really want to die without ever experiencing 1. joining and 2. joining with you the first person i've falling in love with.'

The considerable age difference between Samara and Liara translated well in their different attitudes towards romantic involvement. Liara is still a maiden, so some passion and spontaneity is to be expected. Samara's been around, she's the "mature woman" archetype, her sense of self is pretty much complete.

I have a feeling that if Shepard ended up pairing off with Samara on her "quest" (once the Reaper threat was dealt with), an easy companionship would eventually develop that would likely involve intimacy (and associated physical interaction). Again, I imagine this would probably unfold over several years, if not decades, as Samara discovered more about Shepard (assuming what she discovers continues to please her on all levels: dedication to duty, cleverness in Codex application to achieve the most merciful outcome, capacity for self-sacrifice, etc... ). As Ashira stated, it would be an unconventional romance but definitely heroic one.

Another reason for Samara turning Shepard down is Shepard's potential desire to found a family. While it's not explicited, Samara may have wanted to give a relatively young Shepard the opportunity to eventually have what she was denied: a family. After all, Samara can easily wait another 10-20 years to give Shepard this opportunity. Spending 10-20 years as a Justicar's companion would clearly demonstrate Shepard's commitment to her over any desire to have children. Like I said, it's not stated in the game, but it feels like something that would have crossed Samara's mind.

[Kudara]

Flamewielder wrote...

Another reason for Samara turning Shepard down is Shepard's potential desire to found a family. While it's not explicited, Samara may have wanted to give a relatively young Shepard the opportunity to eventually have what she was denied: a family. After all, Samara can easily wait another 10-20 years to give Shepard this opportunity. Spending 10-20 years as a Justicar's companion would clearly demonstrate Shepard's commitment to her over any desire to have children. Like I said, it's not stated in the game, but it feels like something that would have crossed Samara's mind.

That had also crossed my mind, that Samara might turn Shepard down thinking that she might meet someone more suitable (meaning more interested in having a family.)

[Kudara]

yorkj86 wrote...

They could adopt?  Or am I missing the point?  The child wouldn't genetically be his/her own, anyway (herp derp asari genetics) (apparently having children who are genetically related to one's self is a big deal for some people).

I believe Justicars foreswear children and a family, meaning that Samara can't settle down to help raise any children Shepard might have or adopt.

[Ashira Shepard]

That kid would never be bullied...



*ahem* To some, yes, it does matter. There's an actual "connection" between them and the child in question rather than them just being a child they take care of. The child is of them; theirs.



Personally, I'm not sure I would care if they were a part of me or not. (circumstances people ) I would care for them and love them anyway.