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[7Makaveli]

Not that its stated explicitly, but I think the Code stresses punishing the wicked and protecting the innocent equally, and has Sutras that favor each in contexts when they are interconnected in a situation.



As far as moral standards, I don't think we should apply regular human ones to Asari Justicars, because they represent the extreme of Asari values. Its like comparing human terrorists to the Collectors. What we should instead look at is a character that has endured a terrible fate, and is taking the most brutal path to resolve it. A character taking on her races' highest noble appeal but also one which alienates them all and finding a subtle buoyancy in that.



I'm not feeling very articulate right now, so I'll leave it at that.

[Ashira Shepard]

JThompson6577 wrote...

She's not a hypocrite.  She says early on when Shepard brings up mercy; The Justicars do not exist to protect the innocent, they exist to punish the wicked.

It may not seem like it, but those are two radically different things.

No, actually.

When you bring up mercy she says "it does not exist to bring about spiritual enlightenment. Its purpose is to punish the wicked and protect the innocent."

[Ashira Shepard]

Nothing much is going on, just busy. I finished the big one-shot I mentioned in earlier posts, if anyone is interested



The Reaper Wars: Zero Hour



What's new in your world, York?

[Ashira Shepard]

Damn, that ain't good D: I hope you're feeling better.



And yes, that was me

[AntenDS]

Samara is such a tease with that extremely low cut suit and her walk.

[JRCHOharry]

AntenDS wrote...

Samara is such a tease with that extremely low cut suit and her walk.

Indeed.
Samara rejecting my Shepard hurt more than losing Legion in the suicide mission 

[Lotto]

She told me we didn't have a "connection."

I think she wants to kill me. 

Modifié par Lotto, 16 octobre 2010 - 10:58 .

[Ashira Shepard]

AntenDS wrote...

Samara is such a tease with that extremely low cut suit and her walk.

I'm sorry but I laughed. Not sure why, but I did.

I really can't see her wearing that uniform with the thought of teasing young human spectres. Or teasing anyone really.

This could dive right back into "viewing an alien culture through human eyes."

[AntenDS]

AshiraShepard wrote...
I'm sorry but I laughed. Not sure why, but I did.

I really can't see her wearing that uniform with the thought of teasing young human spectres. Or teasing anyone really.

This could dive right back into "viewing an alien culture through human eyes."

It was all in jest because she is a sexaul character intentionally or not but she advocates celibacy.  Either way I have no problem with it but my Black Shep is as blue as Liara in his no-no place because of it.

Modifié par AntenDS, 17 octobre 2010 - 01:31 .

[7Makaveli]

AntenDS wrote...

It was all in jest because she is a sexaul character intentionally or not but she advocates celibacy.  Either way I have no problem with it but my Black Shep is as blue as Liara in his no-no place because of it.

Had to read this post a few times to fully comprehend what it means lol


Yes, Samara certainly has sex appeal (human mind or not), if that is what we're discussing, and its amplified by the grace she carries herself with. The whole thing about "Asari view sensuality differently" allows for the dispensing of fanservice that's atleast justifiable hehe.

[Pacifien]

There's enough overlap between the people I see in both the Samara and Jack threads to make me wonder what draws the same people to these two characters. Then I learn they were the domain of the same writer. He's not with Bioware anymore, though. Wonder what that means for the two characters future, if capturing their voice is easy for the other writers.

[Pacifien]

From what I gathered, writing duties are shared, but each character/mission/segment has its main writer. The way Rana mentions it on Facebook, Brian Kindregan is the creator and main writer for the character of Samara. His bio mentions he did Jack and did the initial plotting for Grunt's recruitment/loyalty missions while the character of Grunt was written by someone else.

Too lazy for the research on it now, but I believe Patrick Weekes' comments about Jack were that he didn't like her as a person, that he wouldn't be friends with someone like Jack in real life. But he's likely done some writing for her, just not as the character's main writer.

Modifié par Pacifien, 17 octobre 2010 - 03:46 .

[adriano_c]

Pacifien wrote...

Too lazy for the research on it now, but I believe Patrick Weekes' comments about Jack were that he didn't like her as a person, that he wouldn't be friends with someone like Jack in real life.

Sh*t, he sounds like a p*ssy.

-edit. But yeah, it's only sensible the each character has a lead writer, with others making contributions/modifications as seen fit.

Modifié par adriano_c, 17 octobre 2010 - 04:19 .

[Flamewielder]

Morinth is definitely under-developped when compared to Samara, but her belly-aching is really all she can provide us. The lack of empathy resulting from her disease makes her utterly self-centered. She's the ultimate egoist, selfishness resulting from her inability to relate to others.

In terms of gameplay, a strong renegade or paragon path is equated (debatably) with strong will power, or at least obstinacy. Morinth "dominates" weak minds, and if you're 50/50 in your moral path, you're assumed to be someone who's indecisive. Morinth gobbles those for breakfast...

You guys gave a fine accounting of yourselves re-establishing the Samara facts... good job!

@Mak, the reason I believe saving the innocent takes precedence in the Code is the incident with Nihlus. Had punishing the wicked been the higher purpose, Samara would have taken Nihlus out. As it was, she HAD to let him go.

As anyone who studied law can confirm, "5000 sutras covering every situation" suggests Justicars only deal with a segment of what's covered by asari law. The Codex preoccupation with protecting the innocent suggest that a wicked/unjust person is a person intending/inflicting bodily harm on someone else. It's the symmetry of it that makes me say that. I don't see Samara handing out traffic tickets, prosecuting con-artists, settling contract disputes, handling divorce cases...

Finally, torture is the continued application of duress until you get an answer. An interrogation will stop when the interrogator deems no truthful answer can be obtained. The merc was subdued and was given a simple choice: collaborate with the justicar and help save Morinth's next victim, or make herself Morinth's accomplice by aiding and abating. She chose unwisely...

Modifié par Flamewielder, 17 octobre 2010 - 03:45 .

[Flamewielder]

yorkj86 wrote...
IIRC, people in asari territory can implore Samara to help her with their problems, though.  Is that right?  That makes her like an actual knight, but also like a member of Henry II's traveling courts, with her knowledge of legal matters. 

I wonder if Justicars have the power to wed people as bond-mates? 

Given that the judgement of a justicar is accepted by police, when it comes to accepting/refusing evidence, it certainly seems like a Justicar could adjudicate on any cause (and yes, possibly "wed" couples...)

But Samara also comments her judgement is often not what either party expected. It suggests that the Codex has a tendency to "cut to the chase", whereas a judge would examine all documents and evidence put forward to decide on the admissibility/relevence of each case according to the letter of the law. That's why I have this feeling the Codex focuses on more basic issues, like protecting innocents from harm and punishing those who would hurt them.

For example: two asari are arguing over the ownership of a tract of land. The issue may be complex, possibly involving several pieces of contradicting information (a will, an old contract, etc...). Samara might discover that both parties are planning development project that would require diverting a river, causing hardship to families downstream. Samara might decide the land should be awarded to neither party, awarding it instead to the community since the loss of this property would not physically harm either of the original parties... That sort of thing.

To quote a song by Rush:

"So the maples formed a union, and demanded equal rights;
'The oaks are just too greedy, we will make them give us light.'
Now, there's no more oak oppression, for they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal, by hatchet, axe and saw..."

So the judgement of a Justicar. If you cannot resolve your dispute and have no patience for courts, don't expect the Justicar to be tender...

Modifié par Flamewielder, 17 octobre 2010 - 04:56 .

[ZABL2010]

Samara - one of the toughest characters in the game. Her possible actions in different situations? - very interesting. But the main conflict - between duty and family ties. I'm sorry that game developers have not provided a third option to resolve this conflict.

Without murder. In my opinion, it was possible. It certainly was difficult way for game's developers (- complicated the technical problems , game storyline, -etc.). What do You think?

[Kudara]

I'm with you York, I don't see a third option for Morinth other perhaps than you killing her yourself. She talks a woe is me game, but when you come done to it she's nothing more than an unrepentant serial killer.