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[Terraneaux]

yorkj86 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

There's enough overlap between the people I see in both the Samara and Jack threads to make me wonder what draws the same people to these two characters. Then I learn they were the domain of the same writer. He's not with Bioware anymore, though. Wonder what that means for the two characters future, if capturing their voice is easy for the other writers.

If that person wrote Jack, then what did Patrick Weekes have to do with Jack...?    Or did he just paint himself up like her, and take a picture?  Patrick Weekes said that no one person writes these characters.

Heh, then there's people like me, who can't stand either character.  There's some thread between the two that I dislike and some others like.  

[ZABL2010]

For yorkj86

In my understanding - the game Mass Effect has gone beyond the ordinary game. Games are becoming more serious.

Many of the characters of the game became a "model". Moral choices, etc. Hence the question arose. Injustice can be overcome with help a cruelty? What could be a storyline? The easiest – Shep prevents murder. Perhaps - send in a special prison. On board is a genius »(Mordin). Can "find" a way of treatment. Yes, and options may be more. Hedonist is a beautiful word.

But in real life - what decision correct? Murder, when a mother herself to blame (a genetic disease)?

I apologize for any mistakes. English is only the second language for me.

[ZABL2010]

For yorkj86

You all speak correctly. But there is one question. As a even little civilized society could punish by death for the disease. This question, of course, goes beyond the game. In the game all more easy. The only thing I want to note - worker Justice which has relationship with the perpetrator (ex. mother) is usually removed from the legal investigation (in a civilized society).

In whole - race of Azari and her many representatives in the game of course luck of the game developers. Samara in the forefront. Moreover - there is very little fantasy in image Azari. Who is the least familiar with human genetics may understand me.

[AntenDS]

They do give the Ardat-Yakshi a choice to live in seclusion. If is far from the Salem Witch Trials were they just kill, kill, kill. Morinth chose to become a killer after knowing what she was and what was expected of her. Since Samara was responsible for creating a rogue Ardat-Yakshi she choose to be a Justicar to kill her. There was no other way because Ardat-Yakshi can't stop killing once they start. Her two other offspring that were Ardat-Yakshi chose to live in seclusion. So not all Ardat-Yakshi are killers. They are kinda like Mogwai(Gremlins) once you corrupt them they can never be good again.

[ZABL2010]

For yorkj86

Probably problems in a "second language". I spoke about two items:

1. The image of civilization Azari this lucky find game developers.

2. There is a theoretical probability of reality of such creature (Azari).

However, paragraph 2 takes us to a rather special topic. It is associated with some features of human evolution. But this topic is beyond the scope of discussions on this forum.

Therefore it's better to discuss questions around "Samara" only.

[ZABL2010]

yorkj86

Image Asari interesting (the whole "world" Asari). This lucky find developers. One of their many successes in this game.

[Kudara]

I think he's saying that the creation of the asari race was inspired? Because they are so interesting?

[Kudara]

If I'm right then I agree it was a success. As for Morinth I think you missed the fact that killing is now something she can't stop herself from doing. She's like a heroin addict with it, she has to take that next hit (kill).

My Shepard doesn't kill her because she's an Ardat-Yakshi, Shepard kills her because she's a remorseless, addicted serial killer.

My viewpoint of Morinth is sorta like a rabid dog, it's not the dog's fault it's rabid, but you can't let it run around attacking people and spreading it's disease either.

Modifié par Kudara, 18 octobre 2010 - 12:31 .

[adriano_c]

Terraneaux wrote...

Heh, then there's people like me, who can't stand either character.  There's some thread between the two that I dislike and some others like.  

Why makes you dislike both? Maybe it might shed a bit more light on this connection.

[adriano_c]

He should go play Shepard Effect, in that case.

[Therion942]

yorkj86 wrote...



IIRC, he thinks that both Jack and Samara don't belong in ME, because they distract attention to themselves, away from Shepard, as opposed to enhancing Shepard, and thereby advancing the game's plot.

But none of the characters aside from Mordin have anything to do with the plot in the first place so them attracting attention to themselves is the only thing they can really do to actually be characters. Unless he somehow thinks development was taken away from Shepard and somehow backhandedly given to Jack and Samara, in which case that just reeks of irrational bias against the characters themselves with a false justification backing it.

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[GuardianAngel470]

yorkj86 wrote...

adriano_c wrote...

Terraneaux wrote...

Heh, then there's people like me, who can't stand either character.  There's some thread between the two that I dislike and some others like.  

Why makes you dislike both? Maybe it might shed a bit more light on this connection.

IIRC, he thinks that both Jack and Samara don't belong in ME, because they distract attention to themselves, away from Shepard, as opposed to enhancing Shepard, and thereby advancing the game's plot.

But they both can do things in the suicide mission...

[PseudoEthnic]

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[Weiser_Cain]

Samara is secretly the biggest jerk in ME2.

[Fancando]

After her loyalty quest she becomes boring, it is like Bioware didn't think of any other story for her after Morinth, limiting her potential.

If you choose her, all she does is meditate ,one would think that a Justicar would be all about destroying evil evereywhere but she is all about her quest concerning her children and nothing else.

When she starts she is all about justice and later she appears to be all about herself.

Still a great fighter and character in concept, skills and appearance.

About her romance, I believe that there is a big pay-off in ME3 if you are patient in ME2.

A better written Samara in ME3 (with more stories and dialog I mean) would be welcome.

[Kudara]

After their Loyalty quest, depending on how much talking you've done they all become boring unless you're romancing them. Samara only has four times vs I think five for some of the other characters which is what's probably making it seem like she spends more time meditating. I wish they had put in more squadmate dialogue, Dragon Age was so much better in that respect.

[Fancando]

Kudara wrote...

After their Loyalty quest, depending on how much talking you've done they all become boring unless you're romancing them. Samara only has four times vs I think five for some of the other characters which is what's probably making it seem like she spends more time meditating. I wish they had put in more squadmate dialogue, Dragon Age was so much better in that respect.

That is true, there is so much more to Samara that should be inside the game.

[GuardianAngel470]

I've got a fan fiction that features Samara in an important role. It is more about Garrus though, but she does accent him well.

It can be found here:

http://www.fanfictio...Means_to_an_End

[Kudara]

Nice read Guardian, I liked how you portrayed the interaction between Garrus, Samara and his sister. As well as the interaction with the Geth. Certainly those passengers had an exciting tour of the galaxy