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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 03:27
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yorkj86 wrote...
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Bring both Samara and Jack with you on Illium.
Yeah. Jack talks about stealing and looting, and Samara says that she would not restrain herself in stopping Jack. I think Jack responds that Samara can only try and stop her.
On Tuchanka, examining the Varren fighting-pit with Samara in my party:
"To pit living beings against each other for entertainment -- unforgivable. If I survive your mission, I may return here and instruct the krogan on compassion. I'll need many bullets."
The funny thing is that I had Grunt in my party when she said that, and he had nothing to say.
We now know that The Code has something to say about animal ethics, as an extension of its main philosophy.
Dialogue like this is why im suprised Samara didn't get into one of those "Big" confrontations aboard the Normandy, i wonder why Bioware did that.
EDIT: Page 50, Yeah!
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 03:27
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Indeed. I think we can infer that the Code considers killing a living being other than in defense of oneself or others is an "injustice"...yorkj86 wrote...
Yeah. Jack talks about stealing and looting, and Samara says that she would not restrain herself in stopping Jack. I think Jack responds that Samara can only try and stop her.slimgrin wrote...
Bring both Samara and Jack with you on Illium.
On Tuchanka, examining the Varren fighting-pit with Samara in my party:
"To pit living beings against each other for entertainment -- unforgivable. If I survive your mission, I may return here and instruct the krogan on compassion. I'll need many bullets."
The funny thing is that I had Grunt in my party when she said that, and he had nothing to say.
We now know that The Code has something to say about animal ethics, as an extension of its main philosophy.
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 03:32
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BlackMetal wrote...
yorkj86 wrote...
slimgrin wrote...
Bring both Samara and Jack with you on Illium.
Yeah. Jack talks about stealing and looting, and Samara says that she would not restrain herself in stopping Jack. I think Jack responds that Samara can only try and stop her.
On Tuchanka, examining the Varren fighting-pit with Samara in my party:
"To pit living beings against each other for entertainment -- unforgivable. If I survive your mission, I may return here and instruct the krogan on compassion. I'll need many bullets."
The funny thing is that I had Grunt in my party when she said that, and he had nothing to say.
We now know that The Code has something to say about animal ethics, as an extension of its main philosophy.
Dialogue like this is why im suprised Samara didn't get into one of those "Big" confrontations aboard the Normandy, i wonder why Bioware did that.
EDIT: Page 50, Yeah!
The Third Oath of Subsumation is a lazy plot-device. I actually remember groaning when Samara began talking about the Third Oath. Her dedication to The Code is unfaltering, and The Code is absolute, but here's a loophole by which Samara can suspend her unfaltering dedication. It's the equivalent of a Paladin tolerating an Evil-alignment character in the party, if this was D&D.
**DRAGON AGE: ORIGINS SPOILERS**
Compare this to Leliana in DA:O, for example. If the PC defiles the Ashes of Andraste, Leliana attacks, and for good reason.
Bioware at least recognized that Samara has her own thoughts about a Renegade Shepard by having her state that if they were to cross paths again, she might be compelled to kill him.
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 03:32
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BlackMetal wrote...
yorkj86 wrote...
slimgrin wrote...
Bring both Samara and Jack with you on Illium.
Yeah. Jack talks about stealing and looting, and Samara says that she would not restrain herself in stopping Jack. I think Jack responds that Samara can only try and stop her.
On Tuchanka, examining the Varren fighting-pit with Samara in my party:
"To pit living beings against each other for entertainment -- unforgivable. If I survive your mission, I may return here and instruct the krogan on compassion. I'll need many bullets."
The funny thing is that I had Grunt in my party when she said that, and he had nothing to say.
We now know that The Code has something to say about animal ethics, as an extension of its main philosophy.
Dialogue like this is why im suprised Samara didn't get into one of those "Big" confrontations aboard the Normandy, i wonder why Bioware did that.
EDIT: Page 50, Yeah!
No way, Samara is way to self-constraining for that. She wouldn't allow herself to get into a cituation like that. Maybe thats why she spends all her time in the observation deck?
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 03:36
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kelmar6821 wrote...
BlackMetal wrote...
yorkj86 wrote...
slimgrin wrote...
Bring both Samara and Jack with you on Illium.
Yeah. Jack talks about stealing and looting, and Samara says that she would not restrain herself in stopping Jack. I think Jack responds that Samara can only try and stop her.
On Tuchanka, examining the Varren fighting-pit with Samara in my party:
"To pit living beings against each other for entertainment -- unforgivable. If I survive your mission, I may return here and instruct the krogan on compassion. I'll need many bullets."
The funny thing is that I had Grunt in my party when she said that, and he had nothing to say.
We now know that The Code has something to say about animal ethics, as an extension of its main philosophy.
Dialogue like this is why im suprised Samara didn't get into one of those "Big" confrontations aboard the Normandy, i wonder why Bioware did that.
EDIT: Page 50, Yeah!
No way, Samara is way to self-constraining for that. She wouldn't allow herself to get into a cituation like that. Maybe thats why she spends all her time in the observation deck?
Possibly, and mabye when she says she might have to kill renegade Shep after the mission it might extened to the renegade members of the crew.
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 03:43
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But she wouldn't do that until her oath is up.
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 03:43
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Here's a picture for anyone who's ever felt overwhelmed merely by Samara's presence:
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 03:45
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Most likely. Instead of Joker paging Shepard about a "confrontation", you'd hear the loud thunk of a body thrown against a bulkhead, followed by the sound of a neck being snapped. No bragging exchange of threats, no discussion.BlackMetal wrote...
Possibly, and mabye when she says she might have to kill renegade Shep after the mission it might extened to the renegade members of the crew.
"Find peace in the embrace of the Goddess"... indeed...
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 03:46
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kelmar6821 wrote...
But she wouldn't do that until her oath is up.
That's what i mean, when her oath to Sheap is up she will try and kill him and mabye the renegade crew.
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 03:48
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Good one, yorkj86! I think Samara herself would feel rather flattered, without ever saying so outright... You'd just get lost in those eyes and swear you saw one of them wink.
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 03:52
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slimgrin wrote...
yorkj86 wrote...
slimgrin wrote...
Bring both Samara and Jack with you on Illium.
Yeah. Jack talks about stealing and looting, and Samara says that she would not restrain herself in stopping Jack. I think Jack responds that Samara can only try and stop her.
On Tuchanka, examining the Varren fighting-pit with Samara in my party:
"To pit living beings against each other for entertainment -- unforgivable. If I survive your mission, I may return here and instruct the krogan on compassion. I'll need many bullets."
The funny thing is that I had Grunt in my party when she said that, and he had nothing to say.
We now know that The Code has something to say about animal ethics, as an extension of its main philosophy.
That bit on Illium is one of my favorite pieces of party banter.
Same here. Samara vs Jack would be a fight for the ages. Glad it never happens.
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 03:54
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Lord Coake wrote...
slimgrin wrote...
yorkj86 wrote...
slimgrin wrote...
Bring both Samara and Jack with you on Illium.
Yeah. Jack talks about stealing and looting, and Samara says that she would not restrain herself in stopping Jack. I think Jack responds that Samara can only try and stop her.
On Tuchanka, examining the Varren fighting-pit with Samara in my party:
"To pit living beings against each other for entertainment -- unforgivable. If I survive your mission, I may return here and instruct the krogan on compassion. I'll need many bullets."
The funny thing is that I had Grunt in my party when she said that, and he had nothing to say.
We now know that The Code has something to say about animal ethics, as an extension of its main philosophy.
That bit on Illium is one of my favorite pieces of party banter.
Same here. Samara vs Jack would be a fight for the ages. Glad it never happens.
I have a feeling Bioware will force one of these tough decisions on you in ME 3.
Well tough for some, not for me.
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 03:57
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LOL! Love the Cartoon, york.
I for one hope she doesn't turn on the renegade Shepard in ME3. And I hope they keep her as she is one of the more convincingly written characters ( although I agree about the subsumation thing being a lazy plot device.)
I for one hope she doesn't turn on the renegade Shepard in ME3. And I hope they keep her as she is one of the more convincingly written characters ( although I agree about the subsumation thing being a lazy plot device.)
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 03:58
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slimgrin wrote...
LOL! Love the Cartoon, york.
I for one hope she doesn't turn on the renegade Shepard in ME3. And I hope they keep her as she is one of the more convincingly written characters ( although I agree about the subsumation thing being a lazy plot device.)
I think to keep her character true and intact she will have to turn on Renegade Shepard.
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 04:04
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BlackMetal wrote...
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LOL! Love the Cartoon, york.
I for one hope she doesn't turn on the renegade Shepard in ME3. And I hope they keep her as she is one of the more convincingly written characters ( although I agree about the subsumation thing being a lazy plot device.)
I think to keep her character true and intact she will have to turn on Renegade Shepard.
Samara can act Renegade by the player's standards, or at least The Code would allow it. She states that she would start killing her way out of the police station on Illium after one day, since being restrained would interfere with her observation of The Code. The police are just (nervously) doing their jobs in holding her.
I think Samara would choose to stay away from a Renegade Shepard, not because she would be afraid of him, but because she wouldn't want to have to kill someone she respects.
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 04:07
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If she won't, she wouldn't be believable anymore. The whole game, with al its morality and choices-consequences system wouldn't be believable anymore. I think even a renegade Shepard would be dissapointed if Samara doesn't keep her word. Besides, it wouldn't be the first time you'll have the option to fight (kill) a squad mate, right?BlackMetal wrote...
slimgrin wrote...
LOL! Love the Cartoon, york.
I for one hope she doesn't turn on the renegade Shepard in ME3. And I hope they keep her as she is one of the more convincingly written characters ( although I agree about the subsumation thing being a lazy plot device.)
I think to keep her character true and intact she will have to turn on Renegade Shepard.
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 04:07
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yorkj86 wrote...
BlackMetal wrote...
slimgrin wrote...
LOL! Love the Cartoon, york.
I for one hope she doesn't turn on the renegade Shepard in ME3. And I hope they keep her as she is one of the more convincingly written characters ( although I agree about the subsumation thing being a lazy plot device.)
I think to keep her character true and intact she will have to turn on Renegade Shepard.
Samara can act Renegade by the player's standards, or at least The Code would allow it. She states that she would start killing her way out of the police station on Illium after one day, since being restrained would interfere with her observation of The Code. The police are just (nervously) doing their jobs in holding her.
I think Samara would choose to stay away from a Renegade Shepard, not because she would be afraid of him, but because she wouldn't want to have to kill someone she respects.
The code, quite frankly, contradicts itself and is not coherant imo.
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 04:12
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That's quite an interesting aspect of her mission by the way. Everybody warns you about how dangerous Samara is and how she kills anybody who crosses the law. You would expect to find a trail of body's leading to the cargo area where she's fighting those Eclipse. Because, as Officer Dara says it, everybody crosses the law a bit on Illium... Perhaps The Code allows Samara to hunt the biggest criminal first and ignore everybody else she considers not worth the time?
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 04:18
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Has anyone else noticed that Samara shares the same name as the girl from the ''ring' (film)...?
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 04:24
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Whatcote Park wrote...
Has anyone else noticed that Samara shares the same name as the girl from the ''ring' (film)...?
Read that Samara is of Hebrew or Arabic origin and it means gaurdian.
Its also a place name in both Russia and Costa Rica.
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 04:27
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Whatcote Park wrote...
Has anyone else noticed that Samara shares the same name as the girl from the ''ring' (film)...?
Every time I search for samara fan art on deviant art.
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 04:32
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slimgrin wrote...
yorkj86 wrote...
BlackMetal wrote...
slimgrin wrote...
LOL! Love the Cartoon, york.
I for one hope she doesn't turn on the renegade Shepard in ME3. And I hope they keep her as she is one of the more convincingly written characters ( although I agree about the subsumation thing being a lazy plot device.)
I think to keep her character true and intact she will have to turn on Renegade Shepard.
Samara can act Renegade by the player's standards, or at least The Code would allow it. She states that she would start killing her way out of the police station on Illium after one day, since being restrained would interfere with her observation of The Code. The police are just (nervously) doing their jobs in holding her.
I think Samara would choose to stay away from a Renegade Shepard, not because she would be afraid of him, but because she wouldn't want to have to kill someone she respects.
The code, quite frankly, contradicts itself and is not coherant imo.
Most secular systems of ethics are contradictory and sometimes incoherent. The alternative is lawlessness, which The Code fights against.
I'm leaving out religious systems of ethics to avoid a firestorm.
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Posté 28 mars 2010 - 04:40
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Are the Justicars a strictly secular group, or is there a spirituality/religious basis to it?
