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[GuardianAngel470]

yorkj86 wrote...

Haha, it's hard for people to not cast Jack as a pirate for Halloween :3

Actually, I can easily imagine her dressing up in a short skirt with just the breast straps.

I can't really think of a scarier costume for her to wear on halloween.  It would be one part teenager and one part exotic porn star.

I would be scared sh*tless. It would be like seeing my sister in a short skirt (minus the porn star). Nothing would be further out of character and ultimately, you're supposed to be out of character on Halloween.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

yorkj86 wrote...

All of those songs do Samara justice. I'm so glad her music wasn't half-assed. Her music really is exotic and epic. For good reason, it makes her seem like such an awesome figure.

Samara got the best character theme song in ME2 along with Tali's song.

Like you said, they give the character and whatever scene they play in a sense of mystery and exoticnes. Execpt for "the long walk", it seems more like a optimistic/hopeful music. But the like the rest, it's a good piece.

[Flamewielder]

YES! Thanks to my sister in law (who lives in the US), I was finally able to purchase the bloody ME2 MP3's... Amazing how copyright laws can make it so bloody difficult to pay the artists for their fine work when you're not american or british... <sigh>



But I've been going to sleep at night to the sound of "The Long Walk" for a couple of nights now and it never gets old.

[Tiercel24]

yorkj86 wrote...
Yes, "The Long Walk" is a very calming song.  It's not directly related to Samara, though, is it?  Whenever I listen to that song, I always think of Samara holding the bubble.

No not directly but whoever uses Samara to hold up the barrier all the time, like me, it becomes that way.

[7Makaveli]

by DanAlexan

[7Makaveli]

by Spi-ritual-ity

this artist used Rana's face as a direct reference for the piece. I think it turned out pretty good.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 04 novembre 2010 - 03:56 .

[Flamewielder]

yorkj86 wrote...
I guesss I'll respond to myself to ask if anyone has read that thread.  There are some decent points that have been brought up.  One is that Samara and the Code are very extreme in their methods, which seems to be the opposite of the Paragon philosophy, which advocates avoiding violence and encouraging cooperation.  As someone said in that thread, Samara says that while she may be lauded as a hero, she would kill every person who regards her as a hero, if they would commit crimes.

I think Samara acknowleges that the Code is inflexible and harsh, and thus not entirely Paragon per se. No, it doesn't exist to bring about enlightenment, it's only aim is to protect the innocent and punish the "unjust". When being confronted with a situation where a Justicar has to choose between saving an innocent OR punishing the "unjust" Nihlus, the Justicar will let the "unjust" Nihlus go to save an innocent. It may be inflexible, but it favors the "paragon" choice in that situation. And this is precisely the situation Shepard is confronted with in the "Bring Down the Skies": stop Balak and sacrifice the hostages (Renegade) or let Balak go and save the hostages (Paragon). Given Samara's story with Nihlus, it's clear Samara would have let Balak go (+25 Paragon).

Samara's personal opinions show SHE has strong Paragon leanings. At one point, she expresses her opinion that the quick path may be easiest, but it doesn't make it the right one. That's pretty much the game's definition of Paragon in a nutshell...

Few people bother analyzing what Samara tells Shepard, they just get hung up on key words and end up with a caricature of the character. And some people just hate paladins in space, confusing a moronic version of paladin as played by one of their PnP D&D buddies after enjoying a few to many cold ones... To each his/her own.

Are Justicars PURE Paragons? No, I think they are far from that. Are they MOSTLY paragon? Probably. Can they be considered Renegade? Not according to the game's definition of the term: Renegades do whatever it takes, rules be damned.
The Code is a set of rules that apparently STRICTLY favors the protection of innocents over punishing the "unjust". It also appears to "cut to the chase", apparently bringing all situations to its simplest statement: you have hurt/killed innocents, you will be hurt/killed in return. To assume Justicars concern themselves with moving violations and such is ridiculous.

The OP in that thread makes some good points but is also assuming the Justicar Code is like a whole legal system. It cannot be, not with only 5000 sutras "covering all situations". The Code will not say if Samesh Batia should get his wife's body back or not. It doesn't concern itself with such matters. Would Samara sympathize with Samesh and help him get his wife back? I rather think she would and it would be a personnal choice, not a Code application.

Modifié par Flamewielder, 06 novembre 2010 - 05:29 .

[Ashira Shepard]

I didn't let Balak go. He could just as easily have mounted up for another attack on another colony, Shepard might not have gotten there in time and thousands of lives would be lost just because she chose to save three people.



"He could've gone on to attack another colony or ten more."



"I...I know there's a bigger picture, I just don't see how you can look at it."



Or the guy said something like that to Shepard anyway, something about the bigger picture. Or maybe Shepard said it. I'm not sure. But yeah...

[Flamewielder]

I know what you mean, Ashira.

But the "big picture" is all based on "What if?" I don't think Justicars bother with that. They provide summary justice to clear and immediate circumstances.

In Balak's case, you let him go, you can save 3 innocent lives now. If you kill him, you kill 3 innocents and MAY have saved hundreds... but you'll never know, right? Thats hundreds of hypothetical lives against 3 real deaths.

According to Samara's account of the Nihlus incident, the Code considers saving a single innocent life was worth more than perhaps another dozen hypotethical innocent lives Nihlus may have ended between their encounter and Nihlus' death on Eden Prime. Exact same situation.

So Samara would have spared Balak and saved the 3 hostages (+25 Paragon for following the Code).

I'm actually thinking of running Samara through the ME1 Morality Walkthrough and see what kind of Paragon/Renegade score the Code will let her have. I realize this is a bit subjective, as I believe the Code doesn't bother with inconsequentials and leaves "moral" decisions up to the individual Justicar. I've read some pretty silly interpretations of what "Paragon" and "The Code" demand/represent...

Given Samara's history and her comments on torture and other topics, I believe she has a strong paragon slant to her personality that is separate from the Code. She certainly approves of Shepard's paragon choices.

As for the thread, York, I'll see what I can round up.

Modifié par Flamewielder, 07 novembre 2010 - 02:18 .

[ranamary]

7Makaveli wrote...



by Spi-ritual-ity

this artist used Rana's face as a direct reference for the piece. I think it turned out pretty good.

Wow! I love it!  Can I post it on my fan page? 

[Flamewielder]

yorkj86 wrote...
What would Samara do with the snipers, though, if she witnessed them killing their own men?

I guess it would depend on wether the Code considers enlisted soldiers as "innocents". An enlisted soldier consciously puts himself in a situation that will force him/her to kill someone (another soldier, in most cases). If a state of war exists between two asari republics, are their soldiers considered unjust for killing the other republic's soldiers?

Because Justicars exist to protect the innocent, I doubt they would interfere in military matters as long as civilians are not involved. We have little information to go on in such a situation, and I doubt the writers bothered writing the actual 5000 sutras... 

Would Samara attempt to rescue a NCR hostage being tortured? I think so. Would it be because the Code demands it in that situation? I don't think so. 

[7Makaveli]

ranamary wrote...

7Makaveli wrote...



by Spi-ritual-ity

this artist used Rana's face as a direct reference for the piece. I think it turned out pretty good.

Wow! I love it!  Can I post it on my fan page? 

I shall ask the artist for you, I'm sure he/she will oblige

[ZABL2010]

yorkj86 "Her music really is exotic and epic."

The musical theme of the character of Samara (Jack Wall) is one of the best. A combination of "heroism" and the tragic destiny. This theme has led me to a small fan-plot:

http://www.dailymoti...ical-slid_music

The only pity is that in the game is the theme of "Samara" (after the main quest) relegated to second place.

(I apologize - English, only the second language for me. There may be errors in text.)

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

Okay, I'll see if this topic gets some responses.  If not, I'll stop bumping the thread, and let it die a dignified death.

Is there any actual, in-game evidence that the Justicar Order is given a charter, so to speak, to continue to exist, and to continue to grant its members the powers they have?

One person is arguing that the asari have more of a cultural acknowledgment of the Justicars' powers, instead of a legal one.  He also argues that while the Justicars are supposed to operate only in asari territory, at least one of them (Samara) states willingness to go about her Justicar duties in non-asari territory, thus imposing asari cultural values where they don't belong.

Anyone?

I think the Asari acknowledgement of Justicars is both cultural and legal, otherwise there would be frequent clashes between The Order and society knowing the rigorous schedule Justicars keep. The "Justicar Laws" might be as old as the Order itself, and so is probably not referenced too frequently given the scarcity of Justicars, but I would think that it does exist because of how comprehensive Asari rule seems to be.

Yes, Samara is invoking extreme Asari values upon the open galaxy, but we see that she does so as carefully and flexibly as possible given the rigidity of the Code. She also knows that the quarry she seeks as an Asari problem that has been unleashed to a galaxy unprepared and uneducated about it, so its understandable that an equal force seek it out. There is also the personal, emotional aspect of why she does it, which has been covered extensively in the thread.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 10 novembre 2010 - 04:40 .