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[Dean_the_Young]

Flamewielder wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Can Morinth be redeemed? We can be fairly certain that she's not congenitally sociopathic, as her sisters seem fine in that area; it's probably learned, having grown over the centuries she's spend as an addict on the run. There doesn't seem to be a physical reason why it's impossible.

Sadly, while it's true that Samara's younger daughters have not become "vampires", they suffer from the same psychiatric disorder (the A-Y syndrome) which IS congenital (as far as we can claim to understand something of asari genetics...). They are kept in isolation so that they are never tempted to attempt mating and kill someone, presumably because they share the acute version of A-Y Morinth is afflicted with.

As the in-game codex explains, a sizeable portion of the asari population suffer from the A-Y syndrome but only a few rare individuals actually kill while attempting to mate (like Morinth). The vast majority are simply unable to mate, cultivating a long series of abusive relationships and essentially being unable to emotionally grow-up into the matron stage. Their lack of ability to meld stunts their emotional growth, they become withdrawn, sociopathic and display a general lack of empathy when compared to normal asari (something Morinth displays quite clearly).

Interestingly, a mild case of A-Y would likely have little trouble blending into human society; she would develop some empathy the same way humans do: by talking and reading body language. She might actually be relatively happy, as much as any woman could hope to be without being able to give birth to children (she can always adopt or decide not to have any). The sex might not be as fulfilling as a meld, but a human mate would likely not mind anyway...

The problem with Morinth is that she HAS killed... more than once. This, we are told, is highly (and irrevocably)addictive. Worst, her appetite grows as does her power, as she accumulates memories and experiences from her victims; which in turn makes it more likely that she would successfully escape confinement were she ever captured. So justicars hunt down these "vampires" and kill them, as much as punishment for past murders as to prevent future ones. And when you compare a broken neck to several centuries spent in a padded cell and a straightjacket (to keep the Mother of All Withdrawal Psychosis from getting you to split your skull open against the cell walls), the broken neck (sadly) sounds more humane...

You might want to re-check your Codex.

AY is very, very rare in the Asari population. It's a minority even among pure bloods, which is a prerequisite for being AY, and pure bloods are approaching non-existent as a demographic group themselves.

[Flamewielder]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
AY is very, very rare in the Asari population. It's a minority even among pure bloods, which is a prerequisite for being AY, and pure bloods are approaching non-existent as a demographic group themselves.

Check again, Dean:

Quoted from Codex:
"Ardat-Yakshi ("demon of the night winds") are asari suffering from a genetic disorder preventing conventional melding of nervous systems during mating. Instead, Ardat-Yakshi electro-chemically ravage their partners' nervous systems, in extreme cases leaving victims as vegetative invalids or corpses. Asari psychologists regard this incapacity for mental fusion as preventing the development of empathy, leading to psychopathy. There is no known cure.

The disorder generally begins in infancy, reaching full pathology during Maiden adolescent sexual development. While seductive and sexually-driven as other asari, Ardat-Yakshi are congenitally sterile.

Ancient asari mythology held Ardat-Yakshi as gods of destruction, depicting them as villains of countless legends and as the anti-heroes of numerous asari epics.Contrary to popular belief, Ardat-Yakshi are neither extremely rare (around one per cent of asari dwell on the AY spectrum), nor are they all murderers. Most cultivate and discard countless exploitative or abusive relationships during their legally marginal lives. Despite rumors of Ardat-Yakshi syndicates, by nature Ardat-Yakshi are incapable of long-term cooperation.

As a disproportionately wealthy species, asari employ their economic reach and media ownership to hide the AY pathology from the galactic community, placing most Ardat-Yakshi in monitored work programs or seclusion. Only the most aggressive cases are sentenced to sanitaria and prisons or to the execution lists of justicars."

The A-Y pathology is hardly very rare (1% of population). What is rare is the lethal version Morinth suffers from (and presumably, her 2 sisters since their "lodgings" sound more like a sanitarium than a mere cloister judging from their description in the LotSB dossier).

It's also the only suggestion I've found that Justicars might be playing a more "formal" role in Asari law-enforcement, as any "execution list" would have to be provided to the Justicars through some form of legal process, involving a medical specialist and likely some form of forensic investigation. But this is really only speculation.

And because it bears reminding, here's the codex entry on Justicars:

"Despite the refinement and sophistication of asari culture, criminality remains a fact of life. The asari solution to the most vicious and destructive criminal element is the Justicar Order. (by this I assume Justicars don't really concern themselves with parking tickets and misdemeanor offenses)

Justicars are an asari class of virtually untouchable, extra-judicial executioners operating almost exclusively within asari territory. In the last decade alone, Justicars have smashed dozens of criminal rings inside asari territory, operated by asari and non-asari alike. Their methods range from subtle where possible, to brutal where necessary. (by this I assume Justicars will use extreme prejudice only when required to do so).

Trained for extreme-strength, biotic capacity, resourcefulness, asceticism, and ruthlessness, the fanatical justicars are romanticized and feared throughout asari society.

Although justicars generally work alone, their effectiveness arises from the huge body of knowledge they can access. Any asari who enters the ranks of justicars has already spent centuries in a combination of criminal investigation, military intelligence, and combat experience; the collective body of justicar knowledge exceeds even that of the Spectres.

Justicars tend to be independent, requiring little help but also scorning it since such advanced skill and experience usually travels with a powerful ego. The conflicts presented by such arrogance prompted the Justicar Order to develop the Oaths of Subsumation. The oaths pledge protection of the innocent, the punishment of the guilty, and defence of common law and the norms of asari society. (by this I assume that Justicars prioritize protection of the innocent over punishment of the guilty, in observance with common law whenever possible to do so) The effect of the Oaths is conservative, ensuring that justicars respect the existing distribution of asari power rather than staging a coup to rearrange society according to justicar satisfation. Nevertheless, the possibility of such an attack is a source of anxiety -- and counter-intelligence -- among the asari elite.

Of all the pledges, the Third Oath of Subsumation is sworn the least of any of the oaths. Requiring a justicar to swear loyalty that overrides the dictates of even the Justicar Code, the Third Oath is usually invoked in matters where even the black-or-white thinking of justicars is forced to concede the existence of gray."

Again, I don't pretend this is exactly what the writers intended, but it sounds like it to me.

Modifié par Flamewielder, 01 janvier 2011 - 02:23 .

[Kudara]

Wow, I've been writing and not reading and the discussion got really interesting.



I do have to say though to those who mentioned 'redeeming' Samara...talk about hubris. Nothing is wrong with Samara, she's an asari not a human, I wish people would stop trying to make her into one.

[Ashira Shepard]

Kudara wrote...

Wow, I've been writing and not reading and the discussion got really interesting.

I do have to say though to those who mentioned 'redeeming' Samara...talk about hubris. Nothing is wrong with Samara, she's an asari not a human, I wish people would stop trying to make her into one.

THIS.

[Unkei]

... awkward...

[Flamewielder]

yorkj86 wrote...
1% of the most populous species in the galaxy is still a lot of Ardat-Yakshi.

Indeed.

The plight of the A-Y is a sad one. "A tragic figure" in Samara's own words. Even the mild cases suffer from exclusion, being cast out of normal asari society into monitored work programs or seclusion. It is the plight of all marginal beings: people suffering from being excluded for whatever reason (skin color, sexual orientation, mental illness, handicap). Medical science in ME is quite advanced (Shepard being a shing example of what's possible) but has yet found no cure for A-Y.

But as I wrote previously, the mild cases might actually adjust to human society quite well, were they ever raised as humans instead of well-intended but empathically disconnected asari social workers. Human infants born without or loosing their sense of hearing at a young age (such as the result of infantile leukemia chemotherapy) grow up working around this absent sense. Young maiden-stage asari diagnosed at "puberty" might greatly benefit from human-interaction in the early years following diagnosis.

Sadly, they are hidden as the asari's secret shame. The suffering of millions of benign cases of A-Y is considered less important than maintaining the existence of this condition secret. "We asari are a welcoming species: we broker peace and compromise and understanding among other (more immature?) species." The truth turns out to be tragically darker for the A-Y; some of whom might benefit from a human upbringing and lead happier lives among creatures who learn empathy without the benefits of mind melding.

Does it mean I would ever spare Morinth? Sadly, I must admit I wouldn't even do it as a renegade hero. She's a lost cause, either deserving death as her punishment or needing to be put down as an incurably rabid creature. "She is a tragic figure, but not a sympathetic one." A sad, but nevertheless accurate statement.

[Xilizhra]

I do have to say though to those who mentioned 'redeeming' Samara...talk about hubris. Nothing is wrong with Samara, she's an asari not a human, I wish people would stop trying to make her into one.

Psychologically speaking, asari don't seem all that different from humans, and the whole "how human aliens are" theme running throughout the series seems to say that similar moral standards can apply across species.

Additionally, having Samara be some sort of example of all asaridom is, well, meaningless. She's definitely out of the ordinary even among asari; I don't think that Liara, for instance, would approve of her actions all that much (given that the most contact most asari have with justicars is watching heavily romanticized vids).

[NICKjnp]

Just stopping in to say Happy New Year to the Samara thread veterans....you know who you are.

[Xilizhra]

Does it mean I would ever spare Morinth? Sadly, I must admit I wouldn't even do it as a renegade hero. She's a lost cause, either deserving death as her punishment or needing to be put down as an incurably rabid creature. "She is a tragic figure, but not a sympathetic one." A sad, but nevertheless accurate statement.

Unfortunate; I do find her to be sympathetic. Caught into an addiction before she knew her own condition and terrified of life imprisonment? Selfish/murderous she may be, but not monstrous (a term I dislike anyway, since it implies a fundamental separation between the accused monster and the rest of sapient life, when really they were following the same impulses that could corrupt anyone given the right circumstances.

[Flamewielder]

Xilizhra wrote...

Does it mean I would ever spare Morinth? Sadly, I must admit I wouldn't even do it as a renegade hero. She's a lost cause, either deserving death as her punishment or needing to be put down as an incurably rabid creature. "She is a tragic figure, but not a sympathetic one." A sad, but nevertheless accurate statement.

Unfortunate; I do find her to be sympathetic. Caught into an addiction before she knew her own condition and terrified of life imprisonment? Selfish/murderous she may be, but not monstrous (a term I dislike anyway, since it implies a fundamental separation between the accused monster and the rest of sapient life, when really they were following the same impulses that could corrupt anyone given the right circumstances.

Yes and no: even real-life human sociopath can become "monsters" without competent psychiatric support. A sociopath is, by definition, separated from "normal" human society (i.e.sapient life here on Earth) by his/her mental condition. If the condition was brought about by environmental factors (abusive childhood or abandonment, drug abuse, etc...) the  condition may be managed and perhaps even cured.

If the condition is the result internal factors (of brain malformation or a "genetic" disorder) then no amount of psychotherapy or counselling will reverse it. If, as a result of sociopathy, an individual becomes a compulsive serial killer, nothing short of permanent isolation (or death) will keep society safe from him/her. It may sound and feel unfair to the individual suffering from such a condition (i.e. a tragedy), but that doesn't change the fact that society needs to be protected from dangerous individuals. Society is not making the individual a "monster", his/her condition does.

Now spending 50 years isolated in a padded cell may sound like an eternity to us, humans. How does 1000 years in a padded cell sound? That's what Morinth is running from, moreso than mere death I think... Do I understand why she ran? Absolutely, I might have done the same in her place. But I'm not, and putting her out of her misery seems more humane than the padded cell, and protects uncounted innocent lives. I'd put her down even if it was not a matter of choosing between mother and daughter, were it up to me. I understand, but I don't sympathize.

I DO sympathize with the plight of the A-Y who are NOT killers and get to suffer 1000 years of social isolation, however. And as far as knocking down the asari one notch in the ME universe, it's a great story-telling ploy. The asari still have many admirable traits as a species but they now have a flaw writers (on canon or fanfic) can use to write moving stories. Morinth IS irredeemable simply because the writers made her so, as a foil to Samara's "paladin in space".

Perhaps a "cure" will be developped for severe AY in ME3, no doubt a cause of bitter anguish for Samara. Writers have a tendency to treat paladins like some kids innocently pull off a poor bug's wings or legs... only the kids usually stop once they realize this could actually cause the bug to suffer.

But going back to Morinth, most "civilized" societies on Earth prefer life emprisonment over death for their worst criminals. Some accuse such society of mere cowardice for not simply putting them down but it is more complex than that. There IS the chance of justice being miscarried and the odd innocent being executed for a crime he/she didn't commit. But deep inside I think that most humans simply hang on to the hope that even these worst criminals can somehow be redeemed, even if they have to rot in jail until the end of their natural lives.

Some life detainees achieve a small measure of peace, finding solace in books, writing or other artistic pursuits. Some have come to accept that they would never "fit in" outside and are actually happier "inside", and for this we, as a society who considers them too risky to let loose, can at least be thankful. Unfortunately, they are the few lucky ones.

On a lighter note, I wish you (and all the other thread contributers) a very happy new year! May this thread continue to be as entertaining as it's been so far, and may all our favorite characters make a fitting comeback this November!

[Flamewielder]

Gah! Looking at the last few pages I think I suffer from a severe care of wall-of-text-titis... sorry about that!

[Xilizhra]

If the condition is the result internal factors (of brain malformation or a "genetic" disorder) then no amount of psychotherapy or counselling will reverse it. If, as a result of sociopathy, an individual becomes a compulsive serial killer, nothing short of permanent isolation (or death) will keep society safe from him/her. It may sound and feel unfair to the individual suffering from such a condition (i.e. a tragedy), but that doesn't change the fact that society needs to be protected from dangerous individuals. Society is not making the individual a "monster", his/her condition does.

But the fact that some ardat-yakshi do choose seclusion is proof enough that not all of them are, in fact, sociopaths. More than that, if Morinth's sisters were, they wouldn't care about Samara's absence from their own lives, contradicted by the Shadow Broker files. While Morinth's issues are linked to her condition, they aren't directly caused by it. Environmental factors were the direct cause, and those could potentially be reversed, though it'd take quite a bit of time.

I'd put her down even if it was not a matter of choosing between mother and daughter, were it up to me. I understand, but I don't sympathize.

I would, of course, kill her if necessary, which is the circumstance that the game dictates (though I wish I had the option to say something less vindictive than "End of the line, Morinth"). I do not, however, enjoy it and see any killing that I do have to do as regrettable; I keep everyone I can alive, because I don't think that anyone truly deserves death (or pain, for that matter).

Morinth IS irredeemable simply because the writers made her so, as a foil to Samara's "paladin in space".

I personally despise the notion of irredeemability and none of the characters I write will ever be such. They might not all take the opportunity of redemption, or it may be denied by circumstance, but no one is truly put beyond redemption by their deeds.

[Kudara]

And I'm saying as a writer lets not rush to make the asari anymore human like than they already are. What's the use of having aliens if their not different from humans?

The game is already dumbed down enough in it's overly simplistic and frequently groan inducing presentation of paragon and renegade. Lets not make it even more so by forcing each character to be a clone of one another.

Edit: Thought of a good analogy.  Someday we might bioengineer roses to be thornless.  On that day though the rose will be lessened.  Roses have thorns, it teaches us to handle them with care and mindfullness.  It adds a dimension of meaning to them that the thornless rose will never come even close to matching.

Let your imperfect characters with their thorns keep them, otherwise you risk turning them into pale imitations of themselves.

Modifié par Kudara, 01 janvier 2011 - 04:59 .

[Kudara]

As for redeeming Morinth, I agree with you in theory. Unfortunately I think that's God level redemption for Morinth and not mortal. In actuality I'd tell you to have a good time with that idea and I'll be waiting around with a gun for after she kills you and makes her escape attempt.

I know that's harsh, but I honestly think that the idea of trying to redeem Morinth is simply naive.

Edit:  I think the combination of genetics, the fact that being and AY stunts the emotional growth of asari, and the addictive effect from Morinth giving into her AY impulses result in a combination of circumstances that make the possibility of redeeming her to be an incrediably small number.

Modifié par Kudara, 01 janvier 2011 - 04:55 .

[Xilizhra]

What would go a long way is if Shepard had capacitors for avoiding the effects of the mental shock that AY deliver during bonding; if Morinth could successfully bond with someone and actually experience their own emotions, it could be quite the transformative experience.

Unfortunately I think that's God level redemption for Morinth

"You're in the presence of a god, Delan."

Modifié par Xilizhra, 01 janvier 2011 - 05:12 .

[Flamewielder]

Xilizhra wrote...
But the fact that some ardat-yakshi do choose seclusion is proof enough that not all of them are, in fact, sociopaths.

The inability (or limited ability) of sociopath to emotionally relate to other sentient beings does not impair their intellectual understanding of what is considered "proper" social behavior. A sociopath can learn how to act like a "normal" person, he just has trouble/is unable to FEEL like one. You can ACT like you care for someone and get quite convincing with practice, but you don't feel it and it's bound to show sooner or later. By contrast, a victim of abuse who developped sociopathy as a defense mechanism (like say, Jack) can be "cured" because the ability to "feel" is only suppressed, not absent.

More than that, if Morinth's sisters were, they wouldn't care about Samara's absence from their own lives, contradicted by the Shadow Broker files.

While not explicitly mentionned in the codex or in Samara's own description of AY, we DO know the condition manifests at "puberty" when asari develop the ability to mind meld. Clearly, asari children have been bonding with ther parent(s) since birth, presumable the same way we humans do so: through verbal and body language. Children who will develop AY in later life obviously develop normally and develop attachment to their mother, otherwise AY would be diagnosed earlier. Children can display unconditional love for their mother yet be utterly unable to function in adult society. The LotSB dossier is consistent with this interpretation.

While Morinth's issues are linked to her condition, they aren't directly caused by it. Environmental factors were the direct cause, and those could potentially be reversed, though it'd take quite a bit of time.

I'll bite: what factors do you consider environmental in Morinth's case? I'm genuinely interested, not being argumentative...

I do not, however, enjoy it and see any killing that I do have to do as regrettable; I keep everyone I can alive, because I don't think that anyone truly deserves death (or pain, for that matter).

And that is most commendable, I also share your point of view on this. The point often missed by Samara-haters is that Samara herself also finds it regrettable.

I personally despise the notion of irredeemability and none of the characters I write will ever be such. They might not all take the opportunity of redemption, or it may be denied by circumstance, but no one is truly put beyond redemption by their deeds.

As I said, that is a most human quality. We all aspire for redemption, either for ourselves or for others. It is the root of human spirituality, an aspiration of the human spirit if not of the soul. We'd be less than human if we didn't lament such a sad necessity as putting a sentient being down because they are simply too dangerous to be left alive.

[Xilizhra]

I'll bite: what factors do you consider environmental in Morinth's case? I'm genuinely interested, not being argumentative.

Her mother trying to kill her and the addiction that manifested presumably after accidentally killing her first partner.

And that is most commendable, I also share your point of view on this. The point often missed by Samara-haters is that Samara herself also finds it regrettable.

I admit, I'm curious as to how that matches your not finding Morinth sympathetic. I've also never seen any "Samara-haters" who've especially sided with Morinth (Dean doesn't count, as while he may be sarcastic, he's too well-reasoned in general for me to write him off as a hater).

[Flamewielder]

Kudara wrote...
And I'm saying as a writer lets not rush to make the asari anymore human like than they already are. What's the use of having aliens if their not different from humans?

The game is already dumbed down enough in it's overly simplistic and frequently groan inducing presentation of paragon and renegade. Lets not make it even more so by forcing each character to be a clone of one another.

Edit: Thought of a good analogy.  Someday we might bioengineer roses to be thornless.  On that day though the rose will be lessened.  Roses have thorns, it teaches us to handle them with care and mindfullness.  It adds a dimension of meaning to them that the thornless rose will never come even close to matching.

Let your imperfect characters with their thorns keep them, otherwise you risk turning them into pale imitations of themselves.

Which is exactly what I'm saying, Kudara: a rose is nothing but a pretty flower without its thorns; just as the asari species was conspicuously lacking in such a flaw in ME1. The introduction of this ostracization of 1% of the asari species adds much needed depth to the species' mindset. Flaws & qualities (of which asari enjoy a lot of) help define character. Asari can still be different than humans without being blandly perfect.

Otherwise they're just a nice arrangement of "Blue Roses of Illium"...

[Flamewielder]

Xilizhra wrote...

[I'll bite: what factors do you consider environmental in Morinth's case? I'm genuinely interested, not being argumentative.

Her mother trying to kill her and the addiction that manifested presumably after accidentally killing her first partner.

*snip*

I admit, I'm curious as to how that matches your not finding Morinth sympathetic. I've also never seen any "Samara-haters" who've especially sided with Morinth (Dean doesn't count, as while he may be sarcastic, he's too well-reasoned in general for me to write him off as a hater).

Mmm... billboard formatting is acting up, it seems...

We are not given a notion of the time elapsed between Mirala's accidental(?) killing of her first potential mate and Samara's decision to kill her own child, or even such an accidental death is what led to the initial AY diagnosis (although I agree with you that this is the most likely scenario). We are not given an explicit description of how many melds are required before irreversible addiction sets in either...

Regarding addiction, it is not environmental, it's part and parcel of the AY condition and while tragic, it does not make Morinth any more sympathetic to me, as a person. I lament the tragedy, but I have more sympathy for Morinth's next potential victim than her (I certainly felt more for Nef, anyway).

As for Samara's decision to kill Morinth, it sounds that it is something that came some time AFTER Morinth decided to run for it, so that didn't play a role in Morinth's initial decision to run. While it certainly may have played a role in Morinth's evolving attitude in latter years, it didn't make Morinth any more/less of a threat to innocent lives. Several things may have happened between the 2 events:

1) If Morinth did not become irreversably addicted right away, then she killed again on purpose the second time; in wich case she willingly became a serial murder.
2) If Morinth became irreversably addicted on her first accidental kill, her fate was sealed anyway: padded cell for a 1000 years or (merciful) execution. She escaped (possibly seducing/killing a custodian in the process).

In both cases, Samara's decision to hunt down her daughter never played a role.

Now consider this possibility: what if your daughter was marked for death and hunted down like a rabid dog (and could not be cured), would you want to make sure her death was as meciful as you could manage it? Was this the original reason Samara took the Justicar Oath: to ensure her child's death was as painless as she could make it? One of the posters once stated he felt that Samara/Morinth's story was not Greek tragedy... I would argue such possibilities rival the best of the Greek and Roman classics.

(On a side note: I actually like Dean and he convinced me that the "destroying/keeping the Collector Base" is utterly biased towards the "renegade" option of keeping it if you have an ounce of sense in you but that's another topic. I know he's sarcastic but his observations are usually quite accurate; he's quite unbiased as far as I can tell... )

Modifié par Flamewielder, 01 janvier 2011 - 06:18 .

[Xilizhra]

As for Samara's decision to kill Morinth, it sounds that it is something that came some time AFTER Morinth decided to run for it, so that didn't play a role in Morinth's initial decision to run. While it certainly may have played a role in Morinth's evolving attitude in latter years, it didn't make Morinth any more/less of a threat to innocent lives. Several things may have happened between the 2 events:

This is the important part. It wouldn't have played a part in her decision to flee, but it could well have done much to shape her later personality. Perhaps in her early years, she did choose only people who were "bad" somehow, but degenerated as the years and the pursuit wore on.

[7Makaveli]

yorkj86 wrote...

1% of the most populous species in the galaxy is still a lot of Ardat-Yakshi.

And more than enough reason for Samara to continue Justicar'ing and return for one last hurrah in ME3



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[7Makaveli]

interesting visual...







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[Flamewielder]

Xilizhra wrote...
This is the important part. It wouldn't have played a part in her decision to flee, but it could well have done much to shape her later personality. Perhaps in her early years, she did choose only people who were "bad" somehow, but degenerated as the years and the pursuit wore on.

I see... a bit like vampires succumbing to the "monster within" in Vampire: The Masquerade (first edition). But the idea in the Masquerade was that once the player character lost her remaining humanity, she became a monster non-player character and thus utterly unredeemable. The whole point of this RPG was the struggle of the vampire player characters struggling against (or embracing) the "monster within".

But the inner struggles of a vampire are of little concern to a human police officer who's duty it is to keep killers off the streets and into the most secure prison they can find... More importantly, the story doesn't provide us with a hint that this might have been a case for Mirala. More's the pity, as it IS an intriguing possibility. Instead, we are told Morinth targets "artists", people whose talents and creativity are attractive to Morinth, rather like a child collecting baubles. People are not baubles...

As far as the influence of Samara's decision to hunt down Morinth, one could make a case that after absorbing the power, knowledge and life experience of so many individuals Morinth is no longer the same person as Mirala was but rather a composite personality of herself and her victims. Something like the "Abominations" the Bene Gesserit are so afraid of in the Dune series. If that's the case, then wether or not Samara herself decided to hunt her down might not be that important a factor in shaping Morinth's current personality.

@Ashira: take notes, dear... lots of potential story ideas in this discussion!

[Flamewielder]

@ Mak: must be what asari heaven looks like... I better be a good boy, then! lol!