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[GuardianAngel470]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Zeonae wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

I mean, I get to fix the messed up, tattoo plastered, bald psycho bit*h but I don't get to help the regal and beautiful asari find peace in my Shep's arms??? WTF?

You are very right about your thoughts on Samara,but try to be gentle with everyone else too please 

yeah sorry let my excitement for Samara get the best of me:blush:

Happens to me all the time *spoken in the voice of the progressive insurance girl*

*remembers occurances of outbursts...weeps in shame*

[BiancoAngelo7]

haha



Samara will do that to you....I still remember the first time I played ME2 and went after her as an LI and then when I found out I couldn't I scrambled to make it with Miranda lol.

[Flamewielder]

While Samara's certainly worthy of amorous attraction, I was surprisingly at peace with her remaining just friends with my paragon Shep. For one thing, my Shep still carries a torch for Ash. But more importantly, Samara's actions and demeanor were consistent with her words.

"She carries many burdens, yet carries them alone, as it should be."

Samara interiorizes most of her feelings, sorrow and joy included. But when it became clear that normal motherhood and maternal bliss would always be denied to her, she didn't mope around: she took action to fix things as best she could and joined the Justicar Order. She's since had 400 years to come to terms with that decision. It speaks of a wisdom and maturity that doesn't require a crutch or emotional solace. While sadenned by her daughters' tragic fate, she is also determined and likely accepted the inevitable a long time ago.

Contrary to what Shep voices in the renegade dialog option, Samara does not suffer from being "strong all the time" and I believe this is why this romance attempt is bound to fail. Ultimately, Shep is turned down because he obviously misunderstand Samara: he/she's essentially telling Samara "You need me and my strenght in your moment of weakness". A much more likely successful approach would be "I can think of no worthier companion than you to share my life with".

I DO believe a romantic involvement between Shep and Samara is possible, but the only way it would happen is as a partnership of equals. Samara doesn't need Shepard, nor should Shepard need Samara; but a shared vision and calling could certainly bring them closer together, any romance becoming a crowning moment of strenght rather than an admission of weakness.

Modifié par Flamewielder, 10 janvier 2011 - 09:16 .

[BiancoAngelo7]

Flamewielder wrote...

While Samara's certainly worthy of amorous attraction, I was surprisingly at peace with her remaining just friends with my paragon Shep. For one thing, my Shep still carries a torch for Ash. But more importantly, Samara's actions and demeanor were consistent with her words.

"She carries many burdens, yet carries them alone, as it should be."

Samara interiorizes most of her feelings, sorrow and joy included. But when it became clear that normal motherhood and maternal bliss would always be denied to her, she didn't mope around: she took action to fix things as best she could and joined the Justicar Order. She's since had 400 years to come to terms with that decision. It speaks of a wisdom and maturity that doesn't require a crutch or emotional solace. While sadenned by her daughters' tragic fate, she is also determined and likely accepted the inevitable a long time ago.

Contrary to what Shep voices in the renegade dialog option, Samara does not suffer from being "strong all the time" and I believe this is why this romance attempt is bound to fail. Ultimately, Shep is turned down because he obviously misunderstand Samara: he/she's essentially telling Samara "You need me and my strenght in your moment of weakness". A much more likely successful approach would be "I can think of no worthier companion than you to share my life with".

I DO believe a romantic involvement between Shep and Samara is possible, but the only way it would happen is as a partnership of equals. Samara doesn't need Shepard, nor should Shepard need Samara; but a shared vision and calling could certainly bring them closer together, any romance becoming a crowning moment of strenght rather than an admission of weakness.

Definitely like what you said. I wouldn't mind one way or the other, if they made a Samara romance the pinnacle of their shared strength or if it was Shep helping to "heal" her.

Really as long as they let us have a romance I'm happy haha:whistle:

[Xilizhra]

Contrary to what Shep voices in the renegade dialog option, Samara does not suffer from being "strong all the time" and I believe this is why this romance attempt is bound to fail.

I'm not sure that that's what Shepard meant; it sounded to me more like "You don't have to cut yourself off from the world to be strong." Or maybe Shepard's being a verbal idiot, as is often the case.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Xilizhra wrote...

Contrary to what Shep voices in the renegade dialog option, Samara does not suffer from being "strong all the time" and I believe this is why this romance attempt is bound to fail.

I'm not sure that that's what Shepard meant; it sounded to me more like "You don't have to cut yourself off from the world to be strong." Or maybe Shepard's being a verbal idiot, as is often the case.

Yeah it is often very hard to discern what Shep is "trying" to say from what he was written to say. Kind of like how at the end of reminiscing with Liara if you don't romance her he says "Come back soon" sounding all mopey sitting on the bed.

I try and imagine that being chalked up to being written/acted poorly because it looks and sounds like he's in love pining for Liara, even though I have another LI, so I try and imagine it was supposed to come across as him missing his friends.

I think.

[Flamewielder]

I admit it's not easy to write dialogue that would cover all possible relationships (i.e. romantic or just frinds, etc...). The writers had trouble enough with the Horizon reunion, which sounds particularly awkward if Ash happens to be a former LI (to the point that the ore reasonable sounding one is the neutral option).

Still, I think the "renegadish" approach to try and romance Samara being the only one offered in ME2 makes sense: I don't think any mother would feel romantically "receptive" after what Samara just went through. The attempt fails, and I'm not surprised. It's great that writers bothered to be THAT consistent with the character's personality.

People are a bit creeped out by Shep's romancing of Miranda (ok, it's really the "rape face" but bear with me...); but Miranda is a very practical woman in her approach to sex (ref. LotSB dossier). She's physically attracted to Shep, admires him as a leader and may even be starting to fall in love but I think Shepard's direct approach is someting she appreciates: "We like eachother, we're both turned on, let's get this urge relieved and we'll see wherever that takes us afterwards."

Modifié par Flamewielder, 11 janvier 2011 - 01:29 .

[Xilizhra]

What are the odds, do you think, of Samara being an LI in ME3?

[Flamewielder]

Xilizhra wrote...
What are the odds, do you think, of Samara being an LI in ME3?

Assuming she's back for ME3? I think there's potential there... Will it be as dramatic and worthy as the character is? I'm not so sure...

Barring a cure to A-Y, Samara has little left to hold onto, aside from her friendship with Shepard (assuming you pursued it, instead of the romance attempt). Most of the Samara fans on this board would expect any romance to be slow in developping and subtle in its expression (sorry, no naked azure for this bunch, even if it's a lovely azure).

A light touch in an intimate moment in front of the window, Samara stepping in protectively should Shepard be threatened, giving the antagonist a feel of the power of the *___* ... Hints and suggestions. The relationship should be a new beginning, not feel like something built out of remnants from the past.

What's left for Shepard beyond ME3? The Reapers are gone, he's (presumably) still got a ship and he's no longer part of the Alliance military. And if you turned down the Council's offer, you're not even a SpecTRe. You're free to do as you wish. If he/she is emotionally unattached to one of the previous LI and feels like "justicaring" for a few years, why not follow Samara around and keep her out of trouble by disarming difficult situations? I'm sure Samara would appreciate it, as it would allow her to achieve compassionate solutions she might not otherwise be able to achieve.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Flamewielder wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
What are the odds, do you think, of Samara being an LI in ME3?

Assuming she's back for ME3? I think there's potential there... Will it be as dramatic and worthy as the character is? I'm not so sure...

Barring a cure to A-Y, Samara has little left to hold onto, aside from her friendship with Shepard (assuming you pursued it, instead of the romance attempt). Most of the Samara fans on this board would expect any romance to be slow in developping and subtle in its expression (sorry, no naked azure for this bunch, even if it's a lovely azure).

A light touch in an intimate moment in front of the window, Samara stepping in protectively should Shepard be threatened, giving the antagonist a feel of the power of the *___* ... Hints and suggestions. The relationship should be a new beginning, not feel like something built out of remnants from the past.

What's left for Shepard beyond ME3? The Reapers are gone, he's (presumably) still got a ship and he's no longer part of the Alliance military. And if you turned down the Council's offer, you're not even a SpecTRe. You're free to do as you wish. If he/she is emotionally unattached to one of the previous LI and feels like "justicaring" for a few years, why not follow Samara around and keep her out of trouble by disarming difficult situations? I'm sure Samara would appreciate it, as it would allow her to achieve compassionate solutions she might not otherwise be able to achieve.

Wow your ideas have given me new, bolstered hope for a Samara romance in ME3 lol. Excellent reasoning, and not just because it gives reasons for a possible Samara LI lol.

I don't care if they don't give us a super intense / explicit / fleshed out romance whatever. Like you said, it's gotta fit her character, and I would personally like her expressing her affection for Shepard only through amorous embraces or some kind of different dialogue like you suggest if Shep is in danger along with the standard LI "rest on bed with" and "talk on couch with" options, along with anything else they may add to that formula for post-love scene LI interaction.

[7Makaveli]

I just hope that ME2 and ME3 feel more "connected" than ME1 and ME2 did. A lot of the new plot elements, retcons, and characters allowed them to transpose much of what ME1 was about, including the romances. If ME3 picks up soon after the events of ME2 then the chance for a Samara romance increases. The squad should be there to finish what was started, to finish the war after the battle, to reconsider what you've denied yourself too long...

Samara's post-love scene interaction must be inviting Samara to come meditate in the captain's quarters with him/her. Or maybe Shepard goes to her room instead.

oh and...



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EDIT: has anyone noticed how Samara is often drawn more accurately when part of an ensemble peice rather than alone? I think it has to do with artists overcompensating for some of Samara's unique features, but they come out better in a group setting for some reason.

Modifié par 7Makaveli, 11 janvier 2011 - 08:10 .

[BiancoAngelo7]

Yeah I definitely agree, I hope that ME3 picks up relatviely soon after ME2, I really don't want them to pull another plot device of not being in the story for years at a time just so they can make it about you getting your friends back. But I don't think they'd do something like that, I mean that would be really amateurish, and that's one thing Bioware isn't.



And yeah inviting Samara up to your room in ME3 should include her meditating like she does in her observation room as a default anim, and then changes to whatever, (hugging, talking, "resting") when you interact with her.



It'd be interesting if they gave every LI a different "default" animation, even if it was just the standard animation they have when they're in their original area. It would make it feel more organic I believe.



Nice picture by the way! Very "cute", I just wish I saw it before xmas



Yeah I think that in a group her features come across much better because there is something to compare her to, and artists maybe over accentuate her features when she's on her own in a pic because they feel maybe they need to make her features more noticeable. I dunno, just a thought.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I wonder if the attempted romance with Samara is carried over to ME3. If it is, how should it change the dynamic between Samara and Shepard, if at all.

[CroGamer002]

Samara must be LI in ME3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Modifié par Mesina2, 11 janvier 2011 - 09:00 .

[CroGamer002]

Lizardviking wrote...

I wonder if the attempted romance with Samara is carried over to ME3. If it is, how should it change the dynamic between Samara and Shepard, if at all.

Well my Shep even avoided Kelly for romance( means I have to feed fish myself), no ME1 and ME2 romances.
Hopefully it will acknowledge it.

[CroGamer002]

Flamewielder wrote...

Saturday afternoon on Zorya...

Zaeed: "Damnit Shepard you let him get away, 20 years of my life wasted and you let him GET AWAY!!"  *points gun towards feeing gunship*
Shepard: "Did I?"
*Cut to missile from the sky blowing gunship up* *comms chirps*
Samara:"Target destroyed. Returning to Normandy. Hammerhead out."
*Cut to Zaeed smiling.*
Zaeed: "Damn... I think I'm in love..."

Edited from original post by Harbinger of Destiny.

:D:D:D:D:D

Freaking hilarious!

[adriano_c]

Xilizhra wrote...

What are the odds, do you think, of Samara being an LI in ME3?

0%.

As it should be.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Lizardviking wrote...

I wonder if the attempted romance with Samara is carried over to ME3. If it is, how should it change the dynamic between Samara and Shepard, if at all.

In a perfect place I like to call "EverythingIhopeforME3comestrue...ville" if you attempted romance with Samara in ME2 and didn't vent your sexual frustrations on another crewmate, then in ME3 Samara should have dialogue that opens up the LI path like Samara commenting on how you're still alone after everything Shepard has been through, and then Shep responds by saying something along the lines of "I only go for Justicars, but they're so hard to find these days"

and then Samara blushes, and then and then and, and , and....

never mind I was getting carried away but you get the idea..

Ah Samsam....

Modifié par BiancoAngelo7, 11 janvier 2011 - 10:17 .

[Xilizhra]

"I only go for Justicars, but they're so hard to find these days"

That's quite a cute line, actually...

[BiancoAngelo7]

^

Hah. Thanks



Note to Bioware: If you want free slave labor, I'm totally open to doing all the writing for a Samara romance if that's what's holding you back

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I wonder if the attempted romance with Samara is carried over to ME3. If it is, how should it change the dynamic between Samara and Shepard, if at all.

In a perfect world I like to call "EverythingIhopeforME3comestrue...ville" if you attempted romance with Samara in ME2 and didn't vent your sexual frustrations on another crewmate, then in ME3 Samara should have dialogue that opens up the LI path like Samara commenting on how you're still alone after everything Shepard has been through, and then Shep responds by saying something along the lines of "I only go for Justicars, but they're so hard to find these days"

and then Samara blushes, and then and then and, and , and....

never mind I was getting carried away but you get the idea..

Ah Samsam....

While i'm not 100% sure that making Samara romanceable in ME3 is a good idea. I would like if Shepard didn't move on to another ME2 LI or reconcile with their ME1 LI, Samara would have some special dialog. But even if you did end up in another romance, I would still like if you get something diffrent, even if it's something subtle as tone of voice or facial expression.

[BiancoAngelo7]

^

well, if we got some kind of acknowledgment that Samara has different dialogue if you didn't have any romance but you STILL couldn't romance her, then I think I would be forever scarred. I mean, considering how close you can come in ME2 to kissing her that would be the ultimate tease. Like - EVAR.

Seriously though, no more teasing....just give her to me!...I uh...*cough* ... mean...us. Yeah...give her to ...us.

Modifié par BiancoAngelo7, 11 janvier 2011 - 10:20 .

[MICHELLE7]

A nod to the Samara fans...besides EDI, Samara was the only character in ME2 that I liked immediately off the bat and the only one I made sure wasn't killed in any of my play throughs (and yeah I made sure some of the others bit the dust). Hope to see her back in ME3.

[JuicElawl]

i like running with samara on her team because of her assault rifle and AOE reave, but.... morinth was right when she called samara's uniform stupid, lol. what kind of peace officer runs around with her boobies popping out!



not that i would complain.

[CroGamer002]

^To me that used red color looks bad. Black one is pretty good.