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[Kudara]

ranamary wrote...

Alright it's official - I just booked my tickets to PAX East! I'll be joining Crabcat Industries on their panel on Saturday Evening March 12th!

Yes, have a good time and please pictures for those of us who can't go!

[DirtyVagrant]

It'll be in a 3rd pack... months from now, likely.

[Flamewielder]

yorkj86 wrote...
Nothing new for Samara in this second Appearance Pack DLC.  Guess we're stuck with the bluebs until ME3, if Samara is even in the game.  Guess it would just require too many resources to create an alternate appearance for both Samara and Morinth, or one that makes sense for both.

I didn't see anything specific concerning that second appearance pack. Do you have a link for your source? Even if it doesn't involve Samara, I'm still curious.

EDIT: Nevermind... found it. Yeah, looks nice on this limited preview. Looking forward to see some screen caps.

Modifié par Flamewielder, 31 janvier 2011 - 03:48 .

[SlottsMachine]

It would have been nice if there was something new relating to Samara, but I think I'd be happy if they just got rid of Miranda's damn wedgie. I mean that's got to be the most uncomfortable thing ever, must help advance humanity, I guess.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Regarding the talk about the new outfits.

I have already said I wanted Samara to wear armor akin what the asari captain wears in Samara recruitment mission. But instead it should be ornamented (I think thats the word) to give her the "mystical holy warrior" look Bioware intented to give her.

To build further upon that idea. If squadmates still wear their own unique armor in ME3, why not give Samara two diffrent looking armor? One of them would have a medieval knight feel while the other would have some Samurai elements in it.

Crazy I know.

[Flamewielder]

Not really crazy. Some people think we prefer a return to ME1's generic armor when what we want in fact is original, individual armor-looking outfits specific to each squaddie. Her current suit has interesting features and textures which could easily have been turned into something original but more convincing in terms of protection value... and while many women show remarkable agility and grace in a pair of high-heels, nor army in the world is expecting them to fight in them!

[adriano_c]

Miranda has some pretty odd shoulders.

[Flamewielder]

I recently enjoyed a pleasant chat with Xilizhra on the topic of a possible Samara romance and I thought you might provide input. Here's one of my initial replies:

...but the consensus among the people participating on this thread is that Samara displays so much self-confidence/ego that you wouldn't expect her to crumble once Morinth finds peace in the embrace of the Godess.

The reasoning is, Samara is almost a matriarch now. Matriarchs can be expected to have had sufficient time for introspection and understand themselves. They know what they want, what they like, and they likely have a pretty good idea of what their twilight years will be.

Having hunted her daughter for 400 years, I think she's had time to set her mind about it. Intelectually, she's made peace with the sad necessity of it, and probably knows enough about grief to expect it will still break her heart (which turns out to be the case).

"I am a ruined vessel of sorrow and regret, but I am free..."

Asari matriarchs are exceptionally strong willed, a trait that further enhances their already impressive biotic abilities and Samara is no exception, even if she's not quite a matriarch yet. Most of us feel it would be out of character for Samara to "fall for Shepard" in a percieved moment of weakness. Better to respectfully let her grieve and make onself available as a true friend, as Samara believes strongly that a person's burden are ultimately her own (including grief).

"She carries many burdens, yet she carries them alone; as it should be."

If any romance was to develop between Shep and Samara, I kinda think it would eventually be coming from her. She already considers "paragon Shep" a true friend and has confided much already (suggesting that while she is comfortable with her choices, she finds comfort/relief in voicing them to someone else; not seeking advice or sympathy, but because it makes her feel better to "vent it"). Samara may no longer have much to look for beyond some heroic death in the line of duty but that may still change if Samara continues to find Shepard a companionable friend.

If you live to be 1000 years old, you understand patience and admire it in others. After a couple of years of watching Shepard respectfully keeping his/her attraction towards her in check, she might eventually consider it time to let their friendship evolve into a deeper bond.

Modifié par Flamewielder, 31 janvier 2011 - 11:45 .

[Xilizhra]

My response was more or less "I don't expect Samara to just fall for Shepard, but I don't think that a gap of years would be necessary for their relationship to be acknowledged either."

[Flamewielder]

Xilizhra wrote...
My response was more or less "I don't expect Samara to just fall for Shepard, but I don't think that a gap of years would be necessary for their relationship to be acknowledged either."

...and I'll wait a bit to give other posters an opportunity to comment, before posting another response. I know Ashira and Kudara also write fanfics and have their own angles on Samara, which is always interesting.

[Kudara]

Umm talk about putting one on the spot For one thing it would be nice to know what Asari in general find attractive in a mate, is it a set of characteristics or is it unique for each one or like in humans a combination of both?

If Shepard is attractive to Samara for several different reasons then seeing that the attraction from Shepard's side is lasting might be enough for her to consider a romance depending on the circumstances before several years pass.

Maybe only one

But seriously, I'm aging my Shepard and making her more powerful and self-confident in her own right. ie making her a match for Samara in many ways. The romance will still take time and have starts and stops and times where it seems they will not ever get together.

But in the end Samara will make the decision to either act on her feelings before Shepard slips away to another Asari or not.

Modifié par Kudara, 01 février 2011 - 01:48 .

[Xilizhra]

Ah? Your Shepard starts out older than 29?

[DirtyVagrant]

Well, the Miranda alternate outfit that has seem semblance of armor does give hope that Samara may get similar treatment in the future. Fingers-crossed it will be absent any tactical visors or sunglasses...

[Viper ACR600]

yorkj86 wrote...

Nothing new for Samara in this second Appearance Pack DLC.  Guess we're stuck with the bluebs until ME3, if Samara is even in the game.  Guess it would just require too many resources to create an alternate appearance for both Samara and Morinth, or one that makes sense for both.

I would wager to say that Samara will somehow be involved in Mass Effect 3.  When she says something to the effect of "if you call on me I will answer no matter what" that's a pretty solumn statement.  One Bioware will surely not forget

[DirtyVagrant]

Viper ACR600 wrote...

I would wager to say that Samara will somehow be involved in Mass Effect 3.  When she says something to the effect of "if you call on me I will answer no matter what" that's a pretty solumn statement.  One Bioware will surely not forget

It would be rather silly for them to drop a comment like that and when Shepard could use a certain asari Justicar... she is no where to be seen or heard... or it doesn't occur to him/her to call on her for help.

[Kudara]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ah? Your Shepard starts out older than 29?

Um no, the 'aging' is being done through another method.  If you're curious, the fic is Who Saves the Hero?

Edit: btw I'm up to Ch. 29 in it and we're finally done with Tuchanka and picking up Katsumi as well as reporting into the Council.

Modifié par Kudara, 01 février 2011 - 12:21 .

[Flamewielder]

DirtyVagrant wrote...
Well, the Miranda alternate outfit that has seem semblance of armor does give hope that Samara may get similar treatment in the future. Fingers-crossed it will be absent any tactical visors or sunglasses...

Yes, even if it's only a re-skin, Miri's new outfit is evocative of actual armor without detracting from her visual style. As I explain to people who think armor is a non-issue, you can design an outfit/appearance that is distinctive, specific to an individual but still looks convincing enough.

I'm sure they can come up with something that will still say "Oh yeah, that's Samara" without a "deep diving" (as opposed to merely plungeing) neckline.

And should Samara be with us in ME3, a regal looking helmet with a large enough visor to allow the full power of the  *___* to scare off them giant roaches off planet Earth...

Modifié par Flamewielder, 01 février 2011 - 12:49 .

[Flamewielder]

And to elaborate our discussion as to the possibility of a romance with Samara and what form it would take. here's the continuation of my exchange with Xilizhra. Enjoy, and please comment/offer your views.

...I don't think it could be done in such a short time span. While Samara's detractors are quick to call her a cold hearted murderess for killing her own child, she is obviously emotionally ravaged by the act but will not let that interfere with her duty, as it's all she has left...

She's a grieving mother who just lost her child twice: first upon learning the A-Y diagnostic, the second and final time after killing her herself... I doubt any woman would feel romantically receptive in such circumstances and that's why the romance attempt is written to fail in the game. Samara doesn't need a romantic partner: she needs a true friend who will listen without judging or pitying her while she grieves in her own way.

It's not to say that Samara would not appreciate a bit of flirtaceous banter coming from her good friend Shepard... as long as it was kind and and respectful.

"...not that I would be interested in such things... but your inquiry is most welcome. *smile*"

My feeling is she just cannot reciprocate Shepard's interest while dealing with her grief, perhaps also believing Shep's infatuation will eventually die down on it's own (being a short-lived human after all, with the associated short attention span). But yes, a patient & persistent Shepard would eventually win her over.

[LiquidGrape]

So. I kind of started drawing again. Kind of. Partially due to Samara, who was always a blast to sketch with all the complementing colours and soft curves and whatnot.

So, take this for what it is, a really, really rough outline.

[Edit: Needs moar work.]

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 02 février 2011 - 04:06 .

[xRAYZ0Rx]

Samara is actually the reason I signed up for this forum. New guy here. Hi everyone.

This is my opinion on the Shep Samara romance.

While I understand why Samara's romance is set-up to fail with Shepard, It's a very disappointing part of the end game. Especially when Samara is the only one on the ship that you have interest in pursuing a romance with. I really hope that in ME3 they go more in depth with Samara and Shepard.

Samara seems to understand that she is.. attracted or attached (no not oath wise) to Shepard in an abnormal way (abnormal for a Justicar). Samara has such a deep and interesting personality, a hint of mystery and awe, but she opens up to you and she really is fearless. Her mellow attitude and power intrigues and pique my curiosity for her, and make me want her to have a more in depth role in ME3 rather than just another teammate. I honestly think her beauty stomps Miranda any day. If ME3 made it required you to be faithful to Samara (like they give you that option in ME2 with Liara or Ashely) even when she rejects you throughout the whole game, just to have a chance for a romance with her, I'd be all for it.

I apologize if I'm just restating other people's opinions and views, I didn't take the time to read the other 515 pages out of the 4 I read.

Modifié par xRAYZ0Rx, 02 février 2011 - 05:10 .

[Xilizhra]

If ME3 made it required you to be faithful to Samara (like they give you that option in ME2 with Liara or Ashely) even when she rejects you throughout the whole game, just to have a chance for a romance with her, I'd be all for it.

I would make a different character and play through both games romance-less for that.

[DirtyVagrant]

I'd replay my main Shep through both games for it.