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[Flamewielder]

xRAYZ0Rx wrote...
Samara is actually the reason I signed up for this forum. New guy here. Hi everyone.
*snip*
I apologize if I'm just restating other people's opinions and views, I didn't take the time to read the other 515 pages out of the 4 I read.

Welcome RAY, it's always nice to "see" new faces on the thread. I wouldn't worry about repeating anything, as most posters will never have time to read through 500+ pages of old discussions...

[Flamewielder]

@york's post: LOL!!! Yes, indeed it is... too bad she didn't bother giving him/her dance lessons.



@ LG: Beautiful! I've always liked watercolors and chisel-tip marker work. I particularly like Hugo Pratt's work.

[Xilizhra]

The "dealing with her grief" part briefly made me wish that Samara was a salarian, due to their speedy emotional processing... but only very briefly.



My disagreement there is basically that it wouldn't preclude a simple acknowledgment of feelings, even if it did preclude some kind of formal arrangement for their relationship.

[xRAYZ0Rx]

Xilizhra wrote...

The "dealing with her grief" part briefly made me wish that Samara was a salarian, due to their speedy emotional processing... but only very briefly.

But if Samara was a Salarian, she would lose SO much of her appeal and depth.
Though I get what you mean, just the quick mind set of a Salarian

[Sabariel]

I didn't much understand the "universal appeal" of the Asari until I recruited Samara. She's gorgeous I especially love her eyes, such a lovely color.



Semi-related question: Why do some of the Asari have scaly "hair tentacles" but smooth faces? It's really... weird. Does it have to do with their age? Or is this just some graphical hiccup in the PS3 version?

[Ashira Shepard]

It might not have something to do with age, since Morinth has scales too. And she's 440, instead 700-and-something.



I just assumed it was just "ethnic" diversity among Asari. *shrug*

[Kudara]

yorkj86 wrote...

Ericzio wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Ericzio wrote...

Many Asari have different scalps, some have scales others have a smooth scalp, but they all have a smooth face, imo i think scales have something to do with age, or that's what happens when asari don't "touch things up with biotics"

Isn't Aria Matriarch-age?  Then again, she could probably afford those "touch-ups."

She is? never knew that, she looks awfully young in asari standards, somewhere around 300-400 i thought.

Do we know any other Matriarch-age asari?  Benezia had her head covered up, so we can't tell what her head-tentacles look like.

Matriarch Althea(sp?) on Ilium

[Sabariel]

AshiraShepard wrote...

It might not have something to do with age, since Morinth has scales too. And she's 440, instead 700-and-something.

I just assumed it was just "ethnic" diversity among Asari. *shrug*

Both Morinth and Samara have scales, but they're not that noticeable. Some of the Asari I've encountered have very noticeable scales (they're much lighter than their skin and can be seen even from a distance). It looks like they're wearing a bathing cap basically. It's kinda... odd

[Flamewielder]

Matriarch Aethyta, bartender, keeps a clean bar and can headbutt a krogan like a Spectre... and may even be related to another well-known asari...

[Ashira Shepard]

Asari Genetics, the science version of troll face.







"Problem, geneticists?"

[xRAYZ0Rx]

I always thought Asaris showed their age by the amount of clothing they wear.



notice Matriarch Benezia and Samara o.O



lol

[SlottsMachine]

Speaking of Samara's head tentacles, you can really tell how much work went into them, there beautiful. I agree with Sabariel in that I didn't see what the big deal was with the asari, until Samara.

[SlottsMachine]

 Ahh york, but humanity is the master race.........I kid, I kid. 

[Flamewielder]

Hence the eagerly anticipated of Ash's return in ME3 to show just how imperfect humanity is...

...hence my choosing her for LI in the first place, as she is a credible human in the series. As york says, ME1's Liara was almost too perfect, making her species look rather bland when you compared it to, say Krogans or Turians.

Samara/Morinth illustrated how a more advanced civilization can be expected to still struggle with a few demons specific to its culture. Samara's nobility is enhanced by her inner struggle. Morinth's tragic fate becomes more poignant when put into the larger perspective of a species able to emotionally bond with any species with a compatible nervous system.

[Flamewielder]

Continuing my conversation with Xilizhra...

...Personally I feel the paragon War hero Spacer Shepard would appeal to Samara's sense of duty and self-sacrifice, in addition to both calling home whatever place they happen to be together. But I imagine you could find a good angle for either Earthborn or Colonist Sole Survivors... Ruthless tends to accumulate Renegade points too fast, reflecting a lack of compassion Samara would find distasteful.
Try along the avenue of a friendly Shepard that's interested without being pushy. I imagine Samara would reciprocate with turn downs that would also be encouraging at the same time. A bit like saying "Flattery will get you nowhere, Shepard..." on a good-natured tone. A way to show Shepard's interest is appreciated, just not encouraged (or reciprocated) yet. I think there's potential there for some witty but sweet innuendo and straight-faced humour. Play to the "mature woman flattered by the attention of a sweet cub" image.
Shepard could also have also acknowledge both a happiness at Samara's offered friendship and opened the door to something more if Samara ever felt the same in the future... that Shepard's hand will be extended should Samara ever feel like holding it.
Looking at the failed romance scene, I think Shepard made a mistake by touching her. Samara needs some distance because she believes one's burden to be their own. She has to make peace with recent events on her own terms and doesn't need anyone in her personal space while she does it.
Her enjoyment of Shepard's visit is real, though. So she will likely draw comfort from sensing Shepard is there, just outside the bubble but near enough to listen. She won't let Shepard in the castle, but will love the village Shepard will build around it. Right now, the drawbridge is up and the castle's alone and bereft on its motte. It's up to Shepard to give the castle new purpose and life..."

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Flamewielder wrote...

Continuing my conversation with Xilizhra...

...Personally I feel the paragon War hero Spacer Shepard would appeal to Samara's sense of duty and self-sacrifice, in addition to both calling home whatever place they happen to be together. But I imagine you could find a good angle for either Earthborn or Colonist Sole Survivors... Ruthless tends to accumulate Renegade points too fast, reflecting a lack of compassion Samara would find distasteful.
Try along the avenue of a friendly Shepard that's interested without being pushy. I imagine Samara would reciprocate with turn downs that would also be encouraging at the same time. A bit like saying "Flattery will get you nowhere, Shepard..." on a good-natured tone. A way to show Shepard's interest is appreciated, just not encouraged (or reciprocated) yet. I think there's potential there for some witty but sweet innuendo and straight-faced humour. Play to the "mature woman flattered by the attention of a sweet cub" image.
Shepard could also have also acknowledge both a happiness at Samara's offered friendship and opened the door to something more if Samara ever felt the same in the future... that Shepard's hand will be extended should Samara ever feel like holding it.
Looking at the failed romance scene, I think Shepard made a mistake by touching her. Samara needs some distance because she believes one's burden to be their own. She has to make peace with recent events on her own terms and doesn't need anyone in her personal space while she does it.
Her enjoyment of Shepard's visit is real, though. So she will likely draw comfort from sensing Shepard is there, just outside the bubble but near enough to listen. She won't let Shepard in the castle, but will love the village Shepard will build around it. Right now, the drawbridge is up and the castle's alone and bereft on its motte. It's up to Shepard to give the castle new purpose and life..."

Reading this I wonder. Does justicars punish people for crimes, even if they were done years ago? If they did, it would add an interesting complication to the dynamic between an earthborn Shepard and Samara. Even if the Earthborn is paragon.

[Xilizhra]

I have a feeling that if they aren't an immediate and dire threat (or didn't contravene the thousands of sutras in some other way) they don't have to be killed. And since justicars only kill and don't arrest, I doubt they'd be called in.

[Flamewielder]

Xilizhra wrote...
I have a feeling that if they aren't an immediate and dire threat (or didn't contravene the thousands of sutras in some other way) they don't have to be killed. And since justicars only kill and don't arrest, I doubt they'd be called in.

I share the same view: I don't expect Samara will blow you up in your car for speeding 5 mph over the limit, or forgetting to use your signal lights before changing lanes... BUT I would expect her to Pull your car to prevent a crash, or pull a child out of the patch of a speeding vehicle.

The Codex actually suggests that Justicars are only called in to fight the worst possible kind of criminals, and only when all chances of a peaceful solution are exhausted, or to hunt down a murderous ardat-yakshi. Their mandate is first and foremost to protect the innocent and, failing the first, to punish the unjust responsible for hurting/killing the innocent.

In the meeting scene, Samara executes an unarmed Eclipse mercenary for refusing to answer her question about Morinth, even after explicitly telling the merc she would let her go if she answered. Why is this? Because I think that by refusing to answer Samara's question, she made herself an accomplice to murder after the fact by aiding and abating a convicted murderer.

The fact that Eclipse mercs earn their colors by killing someone must be known to Samara, yet she's willing to let the merc walk if she collaborates. Why? Because I think that Samara doesn't concern herself with crime not committed in her presence unless facing a known convicted murderer.

I don't believe Justicars randomly enter penal institutions to shoot inmates either... even the worst murderous scum is safe from them unless they escape.

Modifié par Flamewielder, 03 février 2011 - 10:56 .