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[Flamewielder]

xRAYZ0Rx wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...
I've been thinking that Diane Kruger might make a wonderful Samara. Opinions?

I don't have a clue about her acting ability, or what her voice sounds like.  She does look similar though.  She's 34, so I don't think that the makeup artists needs to try and make her look younger hypothetically, since Samara looks around 40ish.

Actually, her acting is good enough to have landed her some awards, mostly in Europe, notably for her role in Inglorious Bastards. On a more humorous tone, she plays Professor Abigail Chase in the National Treasure series. Her repertoire is wide enough that I think she'd pull it off convincingly.

loved both those movies. and her in them.

call up BioWare. they need to know this stuff!

though she needs a more mellow serious tone. Her previous roles are alittle upbeat.

In "Pour Elle" ("Anything For Her"), a french film, she played a woman serving 20 years for a murder she didn't commit. Her devoted  husband, desperately tries to find evidence proving she's innocent and when that fails, hatches a desperate plot to spring her out and escape with her and their 6-year old son. It's a thriller mostly told from the perspective of the husband, but you get to see Kruger in a serious role.

[kelmar6821]

Liked her in the Basterds. I never held much love for any of the National Treasure movies.

[kelmar6821]

I would hazard a guess that they are refering to the oath. Some might say its a convenient scapegoat for her.

[Flamewielder]

Just came back from watching "Unknown" with Liam Neeson and Diane Kruger... she's definitely my favorite for Samara!

[Flamewielder]

To be considered a hypocrite, Samara would have to act against what she believes. I never saw her do so.

[Flamewielder]

The movie is excellent. Diane seemed a little small for Samara... then I remembered Samara's wearing heels and Liam Neeson towers at 6'4"... which makes her tall enough for the part after all.

[SlottsMachine]

 A lot of the dislike people feel towards Samara stems from the fact that she basically executes dangerous criminals, which flies in the face of our ideals of due process and innocent until proven guilty. 

My question would be, is killing dangerous criminals even considered abnormal in 2185? With biotic and tech abilities, wouldn't arresting the majority of criminals be extremely challenging, if not impossible. 

You would think that some form of counter measures would have been developed by now, but I do find it interesting that the species most known for there biotics, also created the Justicars, and the Asari seem to have no problem with them.

I wish we could have learned what the Turian and Salarian view of the Justicars were, to me it would seem likely that they would be as accepting as the Asari themselves. But Tracking Officer Dara was concerned that if a Justicar killed a human it would cause a major incident. Could this be solely because human views on the issue of how to deal with these types of criminals hasn't yet gotten to that level yet, since we've only been dealing with the problem for 35 years or so.  

Samara is many things, one of which happens to be executioner, and I wanted to ask if we thought that was even considered out of the ordinary in the future? 

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 22 février 2011 - 06:23 .

[SlottsMachine]

Flamewielder wrote...

To be considered a hypocrite, Samara would have to act against what she believes. I never saw her do so.

This is true, but I think the reason some view her as a hypocrite stems from Samara's nature of extremes. On one hand she would do anything to protect the innocent, but on the other she would kill a dangerous criminal instantly if the opportunity presented itself, some people have a hard time coming to terms with that. Reminds me of Mordin's line about helping people, sometimes give medical aid, sometimes kill dangerous people, either way helps.

But as you said, she never claimed to be anything other than what she is.  

[Flamewielder]

@ General Slotts:
I'm no legal expert, but I believe there are 3 circumstances under which the burden of proof may be shifted onto the defendant:

• Defendant was caught "red handed",
• Defendant is required to prove something easily within his access, (i.e. an alibi or similarily easy proof),
• What threat to society is the provision designed to combat

It boils down to how a given society views crime and punishment. Special situations may cause civil liberties to be exceptionally suspended ("martial law" or "national emergency", "special tribunals", etc...).

It's always been my perception that justicars operate within similar parameters: they deal with "immediate" crime, stuff that is perpetrated within sight of them and upon which they can act immediately. They deal (according to the Codex) with the most dangerous criminal elements of asari society (including dangerous A-Y runaways). The vast bulk of people we witness Samara killing were already shooting at us.

Modifié par Flamewielder, 23 février 2011 - 03:33 .

[Flamewielder]

Sorry york... wrong person!

[Collider]

Samara's voice acting is nice, especially during the confrontation with Morinth. The "Enough, Morinth!" line is powerful.

[SlottsMachine]

I would agree Flame, my point was that how societies view crime and punishment in the "game universe", is likely drastically different than how we view it in the here and now, given that they deal with problems we would deem unfathomable (ie. biotic and tech criminals), therefore its not really fair to apply our morals to it.


A quick question, Samara must have to inform some higher authority of what she's been up too, right? It would seem that whomever they are, they'd probably would like to know that Morinth is dead, or any other criminal Samara has dealt with.

Maybe "higher authority" isn't the right word, but some record keeper, at least.

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 23 février 2011 - 04:26 .

[SlottsMachine]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

As far as extremes go, it's black and white with Samara.  That is not hypocrisy though.

Some may feel uncomfortable with this, and that's understandable.  To claim that Samara is a hypocrite because of this, as you fly around the galaxy killing people in the process, is itself being hypocritical.

No one has the moral high ground RPing in this game. 

I agree JD, but if your already pre-disposed to dislike a character, summing up your opinion of that character by saying she makes you "uncomfortable", doesn't have to same power behind it than the word "hypocrite", albeit not using the term correctly, but a that point does that person care. No, they just need a reason, at least in there own mind, to show just how much they dislike that character. 

Also, I would imagine most of these people haven't taken the time to understand her, at least on some level, they may even completely misunderstand Samara, and what she is.

Not that I'm an expert or anything on Samara and Justicars and the like, but at least I gave her a shot, and I'm glad I did, its to bad some people didn't.

  

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 23 février 2011 - 04:32 .

[xRAYZ0Rx]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

I would agree Flame, my point was that it would seem likely that how societies view crime and punishment in the game universe, is drastically different than how we view it in the here and now, therefore its not really fair to apply our morals to it.

A quick question, does Samara have to inform someone of what she's been up too? It would seem that whomever her higher authorities are, they'd probably would like to know that Morinth is dead, or any other criminal Samara has dealt with.

Well we know that species apart from humans still deal with crimes with due process. (i.e: Tali's trial for treason and Saren's trial for treason and murder of Nihlus(which the Council performed...poorly...but this still included an Asari, Salarian, and Turian.)) As we can see in the game however, crime and punishment is dealt with differently in each systems (Terminus and Council Space). I would think depending on the severity and the impact it would have on society would it be up for trial. But then again, we dont really have a good idea of Asari space or its justice system other than the Justicars.
But yes I would agree we IRL deal with crime much differently. For instance, If someone were to punch a news reporter in the face IRL, they would be pressed with assault and battery charges, no matter their position in the real world or how tired of the disingenious assertions being presented. But in the game, it's just a funny news report in the elevator.

As for Samara's superiors, they are in Asari space, so its just a plot hole until we arrive there I suppose.

Modifié par xRAYZ0Rx, 23 février 2011 - 04:33 .

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Samara and Miranda are my perfered team there mix biotic and tech powers saved my ass on insanity mode now we just need too get Samara as a love interest in me3

[SlottsMachine]

Rayzor, I think there is a good chance that there would be two Justice systems, one for those otherwise believed to be upstanding individuals like Tali, and Saren, and another for known murders, or other serious criminals.

Khalisah al Jilani may not have pressed charges because her ratings go through the roof everytime Shepard decks her, she might not have a job if not for him, or more seriously the Alliance could be just paying her off.

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 23 février 2011 - 05:09 .

[Rusty Pabst]

Two more Samara images:









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[xRAYZ0Rx]

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

Rayzor, I think there is a good chance that there would be two Justice systems, one for those otherwise believed to be upstanding individuals like Tali, and Saren, and another for known murders, or other serious criminals.

Khalisah al Jilani may not have pressed charges because her ratings go through the roof everytime Shepard decks her, she might not have a job if not for him, or more seriously the Alliance could be just paying her off.

Well al Jiani was just an example, there's plenty more. (Pointing a gun in the face of Conrad Verner in front of witnesses, shooting and killing the member of The Reds back in ME1 in Chora's Den (full of people) all the while the member was essentially unarmed and not a threat, Shepard shooting Kelham rather than Kolyat assassinating him. (there's probably more but im just now finishing my renegade run of ME1, about to move on to renegade ME2))

Many of these situations wouldve landed Shepard in hot water IRL but in the game its just another day.