did you ever bring samara with jack to illium, she comments on Jack's 'Illium vista: Talk to jack'.
Something about "If you are suggesting any unlawful activity, i will have to stop you."
jack: "I'd like to see you try"
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Posté 28 février 2011 - 05:27
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Actually no, I never thought of it. I'll try it out tonight. The only place I bring Samara and Jack together is Jack's loyalty mission and I don't recall any interaction between the two.
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Posté 28 février 2011 - 05:29
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Samara's situation is soul-crushing. One of the best written characters of any fiction work I've ever seen.
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Posté 28 février 2011 - 05:35
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Flamewielder wrote...
Actually no, I never thought of it. I'll try it out tonight. The only place I bring Samara and Jack together is Jack's loyalty mission and I don't recall any interaction between the two.
Ah, miranda i always take to jack's.
They have chatter.
I havent found out who else samara goes with.
*slight spoiler*
Although if u take her on LOTSB, there is a slight error. If you havent done Samara's loyalty, the yahg mentions her "trouble on omega", that is even before you actually talkd to her about it.
*spoiler ends*
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Posté 28 février 2011 - 07:07
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*slaps self* Can't say why it never occured to me to try that combo! Fortunately, I can do still do so on this playthrough!Biotic_Warlock wrote...
Ah, miranda i always take to jack's.
They have chatter.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 02:34
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Depends on what you consider a criminal. Shepard could be considered a criminal, I suppose. Rana Thanoptis and Shiala could both be considered criminals, although Shiala does try to redeem herself.Xilizhra wrote...
Actually, isn't Helena Blake the only criminal Shepard actually lets go? Father Kyle and the L2 hijackers are both arrested, Elnora is automatically let go if you don't interrupt-kill her so it doesn't feel like it counts, the batarians in Mordin's recruitment mission seemed like desparate civilians...
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 02:37
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All right, I'm unable to resist asking the new arrivals what they think about the story I posted one or two pages back. So what did you?
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 03:32
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JohnnyDollar wrote...
Depends on what you consider a criminal. Shepard could be considered a criminal, I suppose. Rana Thanoptis and Shiala could both be considered criminals, although Shiala does try to redeem herself.Xilizhra wrote...
Actually, isn't Helena Blake the only criminal Shepard actually lets go? Father Kyle and the L2 hijackers are both arrested, Elnora is automatically let go if you don't interrupt-kill her so it doesn't feel like it counts, the batarians in Mordin's recruitment mission seemed like desparate civilians...
Well. I wouldn't call Shiala a criminal due to 1: she was following military orders and 2: she was indoctrinated and trying to serve a greater good by going under Benezia's command into Saren's control.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 03:49
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Don't worry york... we still don't like Morinth, as she was written in the game.yorkj86 wrote...
Hm. I guess I'm the only person who posts in the Samara thread who doesn't like Morinth's character in any way.But it could have been a much more interesting character without taking anything away from Samara. The Morinth portrayed in the game is stil unsympathetic... Xil and I simply agree that a slightly different portrayal might actually have made BOTH characters more appealing.
Some people find Morinth sympathetic enough, already. You just need to think about it hard enough. I'm just not going to make up stuff about the character, and let Samara die, because of it.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 04:05
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Is there any plotline in ME3 involving Morinth that would incline you to do so?
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 04:24
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Xilizhra wrote...
Is there any plotline in ME3 involving Morinth that would incline you to do so?
No. Like I said, I don't like her at all. In addition, what's there isn't adequate justification for making the decision to keep her alive, and to later see what they could possibly do with Morinth, in ME3.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 04:38
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1.) What military orders?xRAYZ0Rx wrote...
Well. I wouldn't call Shiala a criminal due to 1: she was following military orders and 2: she was indoctrinated and trying to serve a greater good by going under Benezia's command into Saren's control.
2.) Saren was indoctrinated and was trying to serve the greater good too. Would you consider him a criminal?
With Morinth being a disturbed predator (psychopathic serial killer), I think that the sky was the limit as to how interesting Bioware could have made her character, but as it turns out, there's not a whole lot of depth there unfortunately.yorkj86 wrote...
No. Like I said, I don't like her at all. In addition, what's there isn't adequate justification for making the decision to keep her alive, and to later see what they could possibly do with Morinth, in ME3.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 04:53
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JohnnyDollar wrote...
1.) What military orders?xRAYZ0Rx wrote...
Well. I wouldn't call Shiala a criminal due to 1: she was following military orders and 2: she was indoctrinated and trying to serve a greater good by going under Benezia's command into Saren's control.
2.) Saren was indoctrinated and was trying to serve the greater good too. Would you not call him a criminal either?
Asari Commando is a military unit is it not? And by serving Matriarch Benezia she is technically under military orders. Or maybe thats up for speculation... In my eyes, Benezia is somewhat of a military leader if she's commanding a group of Asari Commandos.
Saren is completely different from Shiala. For one, Saren follows no one before his indoctrination. Saren acts of his own free will until encountering Sovereign, in which his will slowly does not become his own. Saren believed before indoctrination that servitude would be a salvation for all races rather than fighting for freedom. So essentially, no I wouldn't consider Saren a criminal in that sense, mainly due to the fact we did not see or meet Saren before his indoctrination. The Saren we meet is the indoctrinated Saren, and the old Saren does not escape until the end (where he commits suicide if you can convince him). I would however, consider him a criminal from what Captain Anderson tells us about his mission with Saren.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 05:24
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Flamewielder wrote...
*pats Ashira's back, offering a tissue*
Now, now... it's ok, the writer dropped the ball on that one but when you look at the bright side, it's a great fanfic topic.
Well...doing something now.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 05:30
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There was nothing that I recall that states that those Asari commandos were in the military. Matriarch Benezia was not a military commander, as far as I know. Mecenary bands have commandos as well. I haven't read all of the books either. I'm just going by the two games.xRAYZ0Rx wrote...
Asari Commando is a military unit is it not? And by serving Matriarch Benezia she is technically under military orders. Or maybe thats up for speculation... In my eyes, Benezia is somewhat of a military leader if she's commanding a group of Asari Commandos.
If the commandos were in the military, then I'm sure they chose to follow unlawful orders originally at some point, and continued to do so. I have no idea how the Asari military operates, but I'm assuming that the acts that they're responsible for would most likely constitute as unlawful ones.
Saren was following the will of the Council. Still though, whether someone is following others or not, one has free will at some point regardless. Shila may have been following Benezia, but she had a choice not to follow her, but instead chose to follow her and Saren.xRAYZ0Rx wrote...
Saren is completely different from Shiala. For one, Saren follows no one before his indoctrination.
I don't think Saren is as completely different from Shila as you do. Shiala had her own free will as well. Somewhere along the line she chose what to do. She chose to follow Benezia and Saren because she believed in his cause, then she became indoctrinated.xRAYZ0Rx wrote...
Saren acts of his own free will until encountering Sovereign, in which his will slowly does not become his own.
Saren believed before indoctrination that servitude would be a salvation for all races rather than fighting for freedom. So essentially, no I wouldn't consider Saren a criminal in that sense, mainly due to the fact we did not see or meet Saren before his indoctrination. The Saren we meet is the indoctrinated Saren, and the old Saren does not escape until the end (where he commits suicide if you can convince him). I would however, consider him a criminal from what Captain Anderson tells us about his mission with Saren.
You said: "Saren believed before indoctrination that servitude would be a salvation for all races rather than fighting for freedom." Apparently Benezia and Shiala believed the same thing. Saren, Benezia, the commandos, the Geth, and whoever or whatever else all share culpability in my eyes. The Mansion Family was following Charles Manson, that doesn't excuse their crimes though.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 05:34
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No, Shiala believed in Benezia's cause: healing Saren's mind. Neither Benezia nor her followers wanted anything to do with the Reapers until they were already indoctrinated.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 05:45
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JohnnyDollar wrote...
I don't think Saren is as completely different from Shila as you do. Shiala had her own free will as well. Somewhere along the line she chose what to do. She chose to follow Benezia and Saren because she believed in his cause, then she became indoctrinated.
You said: "Saren believed before indoctrination that servitude would be a salvation for all races rather than fighting for freedom." Apparently Benezia and Shiala believed the same thing. Saren, Benezia, the commandos, the Geth, and whoever or whatever else all share culpability in my eyes. The Mansion Family was following Charles Manson, that doesn't excuse their crimes though.
While I will agree with you about the Asari commando business above (I had only thought of commandos as military and not mercs).
Shiala indeed did choose what to do of her own free will. Benezia gave all her followers the choice of leaving her or following her into Saren's hands. Shiala chose to follow Benezia because she thought Benezia to be strong and be able to help Saren.Benezia did not believe that servitude was their salvation. Benezia's only goal was to lead Saren down a less destructive path than he had chosen, and try to help Saren to get rid of his truly insane ideas.
Although as we all know, Benezia ended up failing and falling under indoctrination as well. This is where I believe we differ on our opinions.
I believe Benezia was justified in her choosing in trying to help Saren but her actions were not her own after indoctrination took place. It's much like Thane's view about his body but in this case, it's a reality to Benezia and not a mind set like Thane has. Under Sovereign's indoctrination, thoughts become clouded and you do things without realizing nor wanting to. A voice tells you to do them and you do.
You must also remember that this is a game in where Reaper indoctrination would be far far far more powerful than anything we could attempt to do IRL unless we took a new born and started from there. Because as we saw with Benezia, she broke indoctrination long enough to give Shepard the coordinates on the OSD to the Mu Relay, but indoctrination took hold of her again. It's not as if she's faking it.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 05:46
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Shiala: "I served Matriarch Benezia, when she aligned herself with Saren, so did I. Benezia foresaw the influence that Saren would have. She joined him to guide him down a gentler path."Xilizhra wrote...
No, Shiala believed in Benezia's cause: healing Saren's mind. Neither Benezia nor her followers wanted anything to do with the Reapers until they were already indoctrinated.
"I made a bad decision. I joined the Manson Family, with the hopes that I could guide Charles down a gentler path. I'm innocent." Sure you are.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 06:07
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In hindsight, it was a bad choice. If she had survived, then she would have to answer for the choice that she made. I don't know if the Council or the Asari government would have given her a slap on the wrist, or what they would have done. It's all hypothetical at that point. Obviously Shiala herself feels some responsibility for what happened, if she is alive in your play through that is.xRAYZ0Rx wrote...
I believe Benezia was justified in her choosing in trying to help Saren but her actions were not her own after indoctrination took place. It's much like Thane's view about his body but in this case, it's a reality to Benezia and not a mind set like Thane has. Under Sovereign's indoctrination, thoughts become clouded and you do things without realizing nor wanting to. A voice tells you to do them and you do.
There really is no moral high ground RPing this game. Like I said earlier, Shepard could be considered a criminal, I suppose.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 06:38
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Manson didn't have mind control rays.JohnnyDollar wrote...
Shiala: "I served Matriarch Benezia, when she aligned herself with Saren, so did I. Benezia foresaw the influence that Saren would have. She joined him to guide him down a gentler path."Xilizhra wrote...
No, Shiala believed in Benezia's cause: healing Saren's mind. Neither Benezia nor her followers wanted anything to do with the Reapers until they were already indoctrinated.
"I made a bad decision. I joined the Manson Family, with the hopes that I could guide Charles down a gentler path. I'm innocent." Sure you are.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 06:55
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Mind control is irrelevant, since the choice to join him was made of free will.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 08:26
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Curious question...
Does anyone know what Asari do with their dead?
Does anyone know what Asari do with their dead?
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 08:39
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^Necrophiliac memorial?
Seriously, I haven't got a clue but I think they bury them.
Seriously, I haven't got a clue but I think they bury them.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 09:04
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Thanks Mesina 
Also...just trying to work this out from the Mass Effect wiki. Frigates are "small, fast ships used for scouting and screening larger vessels."
And "Corvettes" are "small, ten-man craft used to perform combat and survey missions."
Which one do you think would be used by just two people? There's no specific mention of how big or small frigates can be and the only direct thing I can go on is the incarnations of the Normandy, both of which certainly had a crew bigger than ten.
I'm asking because I MIGHT be restarting Pariah properly, as in Morinth and Ali'sha both live (albeit the latter has severely crippled fighting ability now and needs to use guns). So instead of hopping around, they have their own ship.
Trying to figure out WHAT ship though.
Also...just trying to work this out from the Mass Effect wiki. Frigates are "small, fast ships used for scouting and screening larger vessels."
And "Corvettes" are "small, ten-man craft used to perform combat and survey missions."
Which one do you think would be used by just two people? There's no specific mention of how big or small frigates can be and the only direct thing I can go on is the incarnations of the Normandy, both of which certainly had a crew bigger than ten.
I'm asking because I MIGHT be restarting Pariah properly, as in Morinth and Ali'sha both live (albeit the latter has severely crippled fighting ability now and needs to use guns). So instead of hopping around, they have their own ship.
Trying to figure out WHAT ship though.
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Posté 01 mars 2011 - 12:48
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@ Ashira
I imagine 2 people might be able to manage a corvette. It'd be a squeletton crew so I wouldn't expect them to be able to conduct detailed surveys in a timely fashion or fight battles (piloting, managing the drives, manning the weapons, all the while calculating possible escape vectors...)
...and while I'm always bouncing with joy *bounce* when I see a flurry of activity in Samara's thread, the discussion has kinda veered off topic in this page... so let's get back to Samara, eh?
I imagine 2 people might be able to manage a corvette. It'd be a squeletton crew so I wouldn't expect them to be able to conduct detailed surveys in a timely fashion or fight battles (piloting, managing the drives, manning the weapons, all the while calculating possible escape vectors...)
...and while I'm always bouncing with joy *bounce* when I see a flurry of activity in Samara's thread, the discussion has kinda veered off topic in this page... so let's get back to Samara, eh?
