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[Biotic_Warlock]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

She has exceptionally healthy teeth and bones, too.

When she smiles, she causes a biotic shockwave...

[jamesp81]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Actually, isn't Helena Blake the only criminal Shepard actually lets go? Father Kyle and the L2 hijackers are both arrested, Elnora is automatically let go if you don't interrupt-kill her so it doesn't feel like it counts, the batarians in Mordin's recruitment mission seemed like desparate civilians...

Depends on what you consider a criminal.  Shepard could be considered a criminal, I suppose.  Rana Thanoptis and Shiala could both be considered criminals, although Shiala does try to redeem herself.

I don't see Shiala as a criminal.  She was enslaved first by Sovereign and then by the Thorian.  She's no more a criminal than the colonists controlled by the Thorian were.  Now, Rana Thanoptis and Fist are different.  Fist is definitely a criminal and though I didn't kill him in my game, I wouldn't have lost sleep over it if I had.  Rana Thanoptis is a bit more gray, but she is doing very questionable work for some very bad people.  Shooting her might be more of a "take care of this small problem before it becomes a big problem" sort of category.

[jamesp81]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

xRAYZ0Rx wrote...
Asari Commando is a military unit is it not? And by serving Matriarch Benezia she is technically under military orders. Or maybe thats up for speculation... In my eyes, Benezia is somewhat of a military leader if she's commanding a group of Asari Commandos.

There was nothing that I recall that states that those Asari commandos were in the military.  Matriarch Benezia was not a military commander, as far as I know.  Mecenary bands have commandos as well.  I haven't read all of the books either.  I'm just going by the two games. 

If the commandos were in the military, then I'm sure they chose to follow unlawful orders originally at some point, and continued to do so.  I have no idea how the Asari military operates, but I'm assuming that the acts that they're responsible for would most likely constitute as unlawful ones.

xRAYZ0Rx wrote...
Saren is completely different from Shiala. For one, Saren follows no one before his indoctrination.

Saren was following the will of the Council.  Still though, whether someone is following others or not, one has free will at some point regardless.  Shila may have been following Benezia, but she had a choice not to follow her, but instead chose to follow her and Saren.

xRAYZ0Rx wrote...
Saren acts of his own free will until encountering Sovereign, in which his will slowly does not become his own.
Saren believed before indoctrination that servitude would be a salvation for all races rather than fighting for freedom.  So essentially, no I wouldn't consider Saren a criminal in that sense, mainly due to the fact we did not see or meet Saren before his indoctrination. The Saren we meet is the indoctrinated Saren, and the old Saren does not escape until the end (where he commits suicide if you can convince him). I would however, consider him a criminal from what Captain Anderson tells us about his mission with Saren.

I don't think Saren is as completely different from Shila as you do.  Shiala had her own free will as well.  Somewhere along the line she chose what to do.  She chose to follow Benezia and Saren because she believed in his cause, then she became indoctrinated.

You said:  "Saren believed before indoctrination that servitude would be a salvation for all races rather than fighting for freedom."  Apparently Benezia and Shiala believed the same thing.  Saren, Benezia, the commandos, the Geth, and whoever or whatever else all share culpability in my eyes.  The Mansion Family was following Charles Manson, that doesn't excuse their crimes though.

Here's why I think Shiala and Saren are totally different.

Shiala subscribed to Benezia's idea of following Saren to guide him down a gentler path.  I consider this to be an unwise course of action, but not necessarily a criminal one.  Saren was a right bastard well before he ever got involved with Sovereign.  He also countenanced surrender, slavery, treason and mass murder BEFORE he was indoctrinated by Sovereign as a way to ensure some survive the Reapers.  Benezia and Shiala clearly didn't like this course and tried to influence him away from it, but Sovereign was too strong and ended up indoctrinating them.

Shiala never chose to fully side with Sovereign and she paid dearly for it.  Saren, however, did.  That's the difference.  That's why I never choose to kill Shiala in ME1.

[jamesp81]

xRAYZ0Rx wrote...

@JohnnyDollar
1. Love the avatar.
2. I'm going to have to agree with you on this one. Considering Fist didn't do anything worthy of making him a galactic threat (much less a citadel threat) besides setting Tali up, he didn't commit a crime worthy of being executed over. Therefore, there is no just reason to kill him. Wrex had a reason (a criminal act still, but a reason), Shepard did not other than the fact Fist had tried to kill him previously. And honestly, In my opinion if Samara had met Fist, and he had not tried to kill her (as he did with Shepard) I honestly dont think she would've killed him. I don't think she would've had a cause to do so.

I disagree.  Fist did things that caused people to die.  In most states, that's called complicity to commit murder and is a death penalty offense in some jurisdictions.

[xRAYZ0Rx]

@jamesp81

When did Fist ever do anything to cause people their deaths?

Other than Tali (which, since Tali survived and no one died that didn't knowingly endanger their own lives I.E his mercs) then we have no proof that he contributed to anyone's death. He was an agent of the shadow broker who deals in information (which doesn't necessarily mean he killed people) and then joined up with Saren (which caused Wrex to be hired to kill him).

[xRAYZ0Rx]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Edit:  Screw it...here's a screenshot instead.

I'm Commander Shepard and I highly approve of this edit.

I love epic screen shots of biotics. Samara escpecially

[ranamary]

Hey! If anyone is going to PAX East this weekend I'll be there with Crabcat industries on their panel where we'll talk about the Samara costume! Come say hi!

[Flamewielder]

ranamary wrote...
Hey! If anyone is going to PAX East this weekend I'll be there with Crabcat industries on their panel where we'll talk about the Samara costume! Come say hi!

Sorry I'll miss it... but I've been away at work for 2 weeks and I'm looking forward to spending the week-end home.
I'm sure your cosplay will be a smash hit. Looking forward to see some fabulous pictures on FB (and this thread)!

Enjoy PAX East and have a great time with everyone from Crabcat!

[ranamary]

YUP! Both Pictures and Video! 

Modifié par ranamary, 09 mars 2011 - 10:57 .

[Ty2011]

ranamary wrote...


YUP! Both Pictures and Video! 

Very excited! :happy:

[Siansonea]

ranamary wrote...

Hey! If anyone is going to PAX East this weekend I'll be there with Crabcat industries on their panel where we'll talk about the Samara costume! Come say hi!

As a huge fan of you, Samara, and Crabcat, I SO wish I could be there. I hope lots of other fans get to go though.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 10 mars 2011 - 04:14 .

[jamesp81]

xRAYZ0Rx wrote...

@jamesp81

When did Fist ever do anything to cause people their deaths?

Other than Tali (which, since Tali survived and no one died that didn't knowingly endanger their own lives I.E his mercs) then we have no proof that he contributed to anyone's death. He was an agent of the shadow broker who deals in information (which doesn't necessarily mean he killed people) and then joined up with Saren (which caused Wrex to be hired to kill him).

He did try to have Tali killed.  Attempting murder is morally indistinguishable from succeeding at murder.  Attempted murder is also a death penalty crime in many jurisdictions.

[xRAYZ0Rx]

jamesp81 wrote...

xRAYZ0Rx wrote...

@jamesp81

When did Fist ever do anything to cause people their deaths?

Other than Tali (which, since Tali survived and no one died that didn't knowingly endanger their own lives I.E his mercs) then we have no proof that he contributed to anyone's death. He was an agent of the shadow broker who deals in information (which doesn't necessarily mean he killed people) and then joined up with Saren (which caused Wrex to be hired to kill him).

He did try to have Tali killed.  Attempting murder is morally indistinguishable from succeeding at murder.  Attempted murder is also a death penalty crime in many jurisdictions.

Well in the terms of the Purgatory inmates. murdering a few
people isn't half as bad as what the others have done. The ME universe
and ours world have very different views of what is punishable by death
and what is not.

Endangering Tali, however, I'm almost certain
samara would've killed Fist on the spot if she had been there. But I
doubt Samara would've been called upon to hunt Fist down. Too low scale
of a criminal.

[ranamary]

Siansonea II wrote...

ranamary wrote...

Hey! If anyone is going to PAX East this weekend I'll be there with Crabcat industries on their panel where we'll talk about the Samara costume! Come say hi!

As a huge fan of you, Samara, and Crabcat, I SO wish I could be there. I hope lots of other fans get to go though.

<3:D

[ADLegend21]

I can't wait to see the Samara constume

[Biotic_Warlock]

ADLegend21 wrote...

I can't wait to see the Samara constume

[Palesblade]

yorkj86 wrote...

It'll be weird, seeing Samara talking and acting like Rana, once she breaks character.

Or it could be really interesting

I wish i could be there too Rana, but.......if you come up to Comic Con in Toronto March 18th I would be <3:wub:

Modifié par Palesblade, 12 mars 2011 - 02:02 .

[xRAYZ0Rx]

I cant wait to see photos from it.

[kelmar6821]

Woot hope some one uploads a video!