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[Flamewielder]

AshiraShepard wrote...
She isn't stupid, she would know it's either spare those batarians now and let them live for twenty minutes longer before the Reapers show up and kill absolutely EVERYONE. Or kill the batarians and end up saving everyone else in the galaxy.

No one is saying Samara is stupid... but Samara would need to be convinced that the situation warranted it. Shepard, being there, was convinced it was necessary. Samara, relying on second-hand information, has to form an opinion herself about wether there might have been a third option.

That's why Shepard will be facing uncomfortable questions at the start of ME3... and Samara will likely be her toughest prosecutor.

"Why did you kill 305,000 sentient beings?" - to stop the Reaper invasion
"Ah, yes... Reapers... what convinced you that this threat was genuine?" - a Reaper artifact
"Where is this Reaper artifact?" - destroyed along with the whole solar system
"How convenient... weren't you rather trying to push your Cerberus pro-human agenda by goading the batarians into a war with the Citadel Council? Haven't you been abusing your SPECTRE privileges to furthering the Alliance's goals of human colonization of the Attican Traverse while using the Council as foils?"

Samara joined Shepard on a mission to stop the Collectors from abducting (and puree-ing) human colonists. She saw this huge "Termi-Reaper" but has seen no proof of an impending invasion by thousands of its kind. All she has to go on is Shepard's word for it (and perhaps some data collected on the collector base). She didn't sign on to stop the Reapers, at least not during ME2; although we can reasonably she would at the start of ME3, of course.

Arrival COULD be used as an excuse to get rid of Samara. But I agree with york that it would be a cheap way to do so. A chinese proverb says that you shouldn't tie your shoelaces in your neighbour's melon patch. Shepard certainly did so and it looks really bad from where the Council and Batarian Hegemony are standing. Samara may however enjoy the benefit of inside information, insight into Shepard's character (if paragon enough), etc...

[Flamewielder]

yorkj86 wrote...
Samara saw the derelict reaper, and why wouldn't Shepard show his/her squadmates the data about the reapers, that we see him/her looking at, at the end of ME2? None of his squadmates have anywhere to go, at that moment, as the ship is falling apart, and they're all significantly personally invested in reaper-related activities, by that time.

A good point. It certainly would make Samara sympathetic to Shepard's plight as a kind of sci-fi Cassandra, doomed to see what's coming without ever being able to secure the hard evidence needed to convince the Trojans that they should burn that wooden horse...

Turian prosecutor: "Ah yes, a derelict Reaper. And where exactly is that Reaper now?"
Shepard: *squirms uncomfortably* "Er... it's crushed deep inside the atmosphere of Mnemosyne, a gas giant, and utterly irrecoverable."
Turian prosecutor: "How convenient, Commander Shepard... "
Shepard: *perks up* "...But EDI's got some great video footage of the whole thing!"
Turian prosecutor: "Ah yes... EDI. An utterly illegal and unshackled artificial intelligence, no doubt sympathetic to the Geth. And we should trust it and take whatever digital data it provides on fiat... Remind me, Commander, of this EDI's main shipboard responsibilities?"
Shepard: *squirms uncomfortably" "Er... cybernetic and electronic warfare..."
Turian prosecutor: "You don't say? That would involve a fair bit of expertise in data transmission and manipulation, wouldn't it?"
EDI: *hint of smugness in voice* "I can do so several thousand times faster than any organic and..."
Admiral Hackett: *face palms*
Shepard: *rolls eyes and moans* "You're not helping, EDI!"

[Ashira Shepard]

That was both hilarious and frightening because it might just happen.

[Flamewielder]

ME2 has turned Shepard into a rather shady character with questionable associates. Arrival was a relief, if nothing else, because I needed my paragon choices to be vindicated by someone like Hackett. Samara's stern (and mostly approving in my case) stare felt like the only light shining in ME2's murky moral sewer.

A Ruthless Shepard can feel vindicated by Cerberus' "the end justifies all means" approach. A Sole Survivor Shepard feels vindicated in her loathing of the dark side of human nature shown in ME2. But what of the idealistic War Hero Spacer? The one who's spirit is stirred by poetry, nobility, self-sacrifice and duty? The one who joined the Alliance Fleet believing in its noble ideas in spite of all the backroom politics and morally shady compromises made by politicians?

The paragon chat with Hackett felt like glorious dawn after the whole ME2 episode. It restored my Shepard's faith in humanity. Sure, some humans are bastards... but still some are speshul too.

And when an Alliance Admiral adresses you by rank when everyone else adresses you by name and dismissively comments on your so-called death, it MEANS something. It implies TRUST; it implies you still have support among the Alliance that isn't tainted by Cerberus.

[ranamary]

xRAYZ0Rx wrote...

Hey guys,

Idk if or when Rana will get around to it, but she posted this on her facebook page. For anyone who isnt a fan of her on facebook, Its video from PAX East 2011 of her, and CrabCat Industries giving their presentation.

Its an hour long combined through 2 vids and its very funny. Makes me wish i lived in Boston to go to this. Enjoy.

http://nerdcaliber.com/blogs/?p=3091

Thank you so much for posting that! I was just about to do it! Glad you enjoyed it! It was a lot of fun and I'm so excited for the finished product as I'm sure you are! 

[jamesp81]

JohnnyDollar wrote...

Flamewielder wrote...
ME2 has turned Shepard into a rather shady character with questionable associates. Arrival was a relief, if nothing else, because I needed my paragon choices to be vindicated by someone like Hackett. Samara's stern (and mostly approving in my case) stare felt like the only light shining in ME2's murky moral sewer.

A Ruthless Shepard can feel vindicated by Cerberus' "the end justifies all means" approach. A Sole Survivor Shepard feels vindicated in her loathing of the dark side of human nature shown in ME2. But what of the idealistic War Hero Spacer? The one who's spirit is stirred by poetry, nobility, self-sacrifice and duty? The one who joined the Alliance Fleet believing in its noble ideas in spite of all the backroom politics and morally shady compromises made by politicians?

The paragon chat with Hackett felt like glorious dawn after the whole ME2 episode. It restored my Shepard's faith in humanity. Sure, some humans are bastards... but still some are speshul too.

And when an Alliance Admiral adresses you by rank when everyone else adresses you by name and dismissively comments on your so-called death, it MEANS something. It implies TRUST; it implies you still have support among the Alliance that isn't tainted by Cerberus.

The ME series rewards the idealistic on the whole, but they throw you for a bit of a loop in ME2, don't they?  They said that this is the dark second chapter.  It kind of reminds me of season 3 of Star Trek Enterprise.  Capt. Archer became desperate and crossed the line a couple of occasions.

Or, ME2 could be compared to The Empire Strikes Back.  In the first Star Wars movie, disaster was averted at great cost (just like ME1).  In ME2, Luke goes too far in some of his actions, just as Shepard gets into a really dark place working for some scary people.  ME3, I suspect, will be like Return of the Jedi: the triumphant final victory and happily ever after ending.

Modifié par jamesp81, 04 avril 2011 - 05:10 .

[jamesp81]

BTW, I had an idea.  I'm thinking of making a youtube mashup of clips of Samara being a badass justicar, and playing Rev Theory's song Justice.

I've never done video at all, so it'll definitely be a learning experience if I go through with it.

Modifié par jamesp81, 04 avril 2011 - 04:24 .

[jamesp81]

I think Samara is among the most compelling of characters. Her conversations are deep and meaningful. She's also a tragic figure...the situation of her daughters and how she doesn't allow even one tear to grace her eyes speaks to her almost divine strength.

Nevertheless, I find myself hurting on her behalf. What she's gone through is terrible. Her Code required it true enough, but I have a compulsion to tell her that it's OK to mourn a daughter. Being a hardass doesn't mean she doesn't have feelings. It'd be nice if my Shepard, as her friend, could impart her a little peace and a little comfort.

If such emotional openness detracts from the badass justicar image, then it doesn't need to happen where anyone will see it, and I'll keep my trap shut.

[Flamewielder]

AshiraShepard wrote...
That was both hilarious and frightening because it might just happen.

I'd rather welcome an opportunity to play my own advocate... I thought I did rather good at Tali's hearing.

But as Hackett suggest, I think Shepard will likely be asked to explain herself/himself, either to the Council (human or alien) or the Earth Systems Alliance, wether or not she/he is a Cerberus sympathizer. We know Shepard is innocent, but she's been tying her shoelaces in just about everyone else's melon patch; from where they stand, Shepard certainly look like she's stealing their melons...

Wether this takes a form of a full-blown trial/court-martial, or a less formal inquiry, I think Shepard will have to answer pointed questions in ME3. With any luck, Samara will be playing advocate...

Samara: "I vouch for Shepard and any evidence he presents."
Turian prosecutor: "Objection, your honor!"
Samara: "Flattery won't help your case, turian." *___*  
Turian prosecutor: "er... objection withdrawn..."
Shepard: *high-fives Garrus* "Oh yeah!"

[Ashira Shepard]

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT!?

Modifié par AshiraShepard, 06 avril 2011 - 05:06 .

[Flamewielder]

What does it have to do with Samara???

[Ashira Shepard]

Flamewielder wrote...

What does it have to do with Samara???

Well the image will replace any terrifying dreams I ever plan on having about Alma Wade.

[Flamewielder]

*wipes the eye bleach off his cheeks*

Sorry... my question actually referred to your link, not the Samara rape fa... AAAAGH! KILL IT WITH FIRE!

*pours more eye bleach*

Modifié par Flamewielder, 06 avril 2011 - 07:56 .

[CroGamer002]

This thread is just... wow.

[The Asari]

I love samara, Best character, best story and the best loyality mission. She has a permant place in my squad. I was a little sad you couldn't romance her, or you can in some way, but not like the others. I really hope she's in ME 3 , and Liara of course. Love the Asari.
Really fun to see a forum dedicated to her. Best Mass Effect character.

[Flamewielder]

We agree... but because we (mostly) appreciate Samara's dignified demeanor, our thread doesn't expand as fast as some other fan threads...

...then again, this thread's never been shut down either.

Market study time: assuming there ever is an Alternate Appearance Pack #3 offering an aestetically pleasing appearance for Samara with, say more armor (and less cleavage), how many of us will buy it?

I for one, would be willing to part with a couple of dollars to offer Samara something nice (since I can't offer her flowers anyways, unless I innocently happen to place a vase in the Starboard Observation lounge and say I'm "just decorating"...)

Modifié par Flamewielder, 06 avril 2011 - 10:24 .

[Ashira Shepard]

Flamewielder, that is adorable...and now I have that image stuck in my head. Ah, warm fuzzies :3

Also, that link was mosty just to emphasis how I was screaming. There were no shorter clips of Russell freaking the hell out