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[Flamewielder]

She totally is... both! And so many other good things as well.

[Flamewielder]

On the topic of appearance packs, yes, most of us would have loved to see something more along the lines of fencing armor. Something like an armored body glove (a la WH40k) or a blademaster armor (a la Hellgate:London). Still sensual and feminine, yet looking credible enough in terms of protection.

[kelmar6821]

Why is it either, or? This implies that becoming a justicar couldn't be a good thing.

Modifié par kelmar6821, 23 avril 2011 - 06:53 .

[kelmar6821]

yorkj86 wrote...
This person is arguing that Samara is mentally unstable, because of her willingness to become a Justicar, in order to kill Morinth. He's also arguing that Samara is emotionally unstable, and being a Justicar allows her to deal with her emotions by ignoring them, because being a Justicar means separating yourself emotionally from your actions. He also supposes that the asari are wrong for allowing the Justicars to do what they do, and for treating AY the way they do.

Samara had her family torn apart when she found out her children were AY. The immense stress from having AY children was made that much worse by Morinth's refusal to go into seclusion. I suppose one way to look at the reasoning of her decision would be to compare it to a samurai taking his own life out of dishonor/shame. There are many similarties between the two events. She not only "died to self", but also gained "honor" again by becoming a Justicar. Emointally unstable has a certain legitmatacy.

[magelet]

yorkj86 wrote...

I'll bring the topic up again, for the sake of discussion, because some people (not me) insist that it's the truth - Does Samara show any signs of mental instability? Does the possibility of having questionable reasons for becoming a Justicar mean she's possibly mentally unstable, or just a person who made a poor decision?

I wouldn't say she is unstable at all, actually. Her strong conviction in her decisions shows a stability and lack of insecurity that most people would not have.

The bit where she says that she was pround of Morinth and that she was the smartest and strongest of her daughters didn't seem to me like she was questioning her decision. She knew what she had to do and did it; not even letting her own feelings change that.

In my opinion Samara is one of the strongest (mentally) characters in ME2.

[Teecat]

I've always thought that Thane and Samara feel like the more "mature" love interests in the games. This isn't to say other characters are immature or that people who choose not to romance Thane/Samara are so, but the characters are older and more world-worn than the rest of the party, and as such have in a way deeper conversations (methinks).

Samara is amazing and beautiful - the model they based her face on is one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen, methinks (I might just have a girl-crush <39

[SarunasAndSoOn]

Teecat wrote...

I've always thought that Thane and Samara feel like the more "mature" love interests in the games. This isn't to say other characters are immature or that people who choose not to romance Thane/Samara are so, but the characters are older and more world-worn than the rest of the party, and as such have in a way deeper conversations (methinks).

Samara is amazing and beautiful - the model they based her face on is one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen, methinks (I might just have a girl-crush <39

i agree, she very good looking, i hate when people say shes ugly. i think she looks unique

[jamesp81]

SarunasAndSoOn wrote...

Teecat wrote...

I've always thought that Thane and Samara feel like the more "mature" love interests in the games. This isn't to say other characters are immature or that people who choose not to romance Thane/Samara are so, but the characters are older and more world-worn than the rest of the party, and as such have in a way deeper conversations (methinks).

Samara is amazing and beautiful - the model they based her face on is one of the most beautiful women I have ever seen, methinks (I might just have a girl-crush <39

i agree, she very good looking, i hate when people say shes ugly. i think she looks unique

She is very unique.  I'd love to be able to romance her too.

She is so strong and in control.  She has a deep well of inner strength.  She's one of those people that simply has no breaking point, but that doesn't mean she doesn't have feelings.  She carries a lot of grief and carries it well.  I feel for her, and wish she didn't make herself carry all that grief alone.  Just because she can take it, doesn't mean she should have to, and I'd like to be able to show her that and maybe give her a little bit of rest and peace.

[Flamewielder]

Four days without Samara? I guess that GI article is grabbing everyone's attention...

From the conversation between Hackett and Shepard at the conclusion of Arrival, we gather that Shepard will have travelled to Earth to face the music like a true soldier. Wether you are Ruthless, War Hero or Sole Survivor, you'll have your own reasons to "man up" and answer for the decisions made and actions you took in ME2.

How do you think Samara will perceive your willingness to "face the music"? Obviously, she would expect a paragon Shepard to do so; but would it somewhat redeem a more Renegade Shepard in her eyes? Would it be enough for her to forego a confrontation, given that Shepard willingly chooses to answer for whatever he/she did in an Alliance board of inquiry (and possible court martial), i.e. Shepard willingly submits to what amounts to due process?

[GuardianAngel470]

yorkj86 wrote...

Ugh, so tired of people thinking that being a Justicar is like being a monk, which implies religiousness. Justicars are secular enforcers of law. Would you say Judge Dredd is a monk? No? Now you know why it's silly to say Justicars are monks.

Monastic order... Warrior Monk.... terms used to describe justicars.

Also, "They're closer to a religious group than a legal branch"

[CC-Tron]

yorkj86 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Ugh, so tired of people thinking that being a Justicar is like being a monk, which implies religiousness. Justicars are secular enforcers of law. Would you say Judge Dredd is a monk? No? Now you know why it's silly to say Justicars are monks.

Monastic order... Warrior Monk.... terms used to describe justicars.

Also, "They're closer to a religious group than a legal branch"

A Warrior Monk doesn't necessarily have to fight for his religion.  He can fight for ideals.  A "Warrior Monk" is an estimation.  Justicars enforce the "ideals" of asari society.  Even if these "ideals" have a religious source, it doesn't mean the enforcer has to be religious.  That's like saying all policemen have to religious.

I don't see what the problem is. Samara does say 'by the goddess' (among other like phrases) which indicates that she is religious. The asari culture is largely depicted as religious. 

[CC-Tron]

yorkj86 wrote...

CC-Tron wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Ugh, so tired of people thinking that being a Justicar is like being a monk, which implies religiousness. Justicars are secular enforcers of law. Would you say Judge Dredd is a monk? No? Now you know why it's silly to say Justicars are monks.

Monastic order... Warrior Monk.... terms used to describe justicars.

Also, "They're closer to a religious group than a legal branch"

A Warrior Monk doesn't necessarily have to fight for his religion.  He can fight for ideals.  A "Warrior Monk" is an estimation.  Justicars enforce the "ideals" of asari society.  Even if these "ideals" have a religious source, it doesn't mean the enforcer has to be religious.  That's like saying all policemen have to religious.

I don't see what the problem is. Samara does say 'by the goddess' (among other like phrases) which indicates that she is religious. The asari culture is largely depicted as religious. 

Atheists say "Oh my god" when they're surprised, startled, horrified, and so on.  Does that necessarily make them religious?  Tali says "Keelah," as an exclamation.  Does that necessarily make her religious?

The problem is that there's no evidence that the Justicar Order is religious.  People take the "monk" analogy and think that it makes Justicars religious.  There are secular ways of enforcing laws.  Anglophones call them "the police."

Again. I don't see what the problem is. What's the problem with people seeing Justicars as a religious group? Is it really that important. You don't have to agree with that view point. I have no problem seeing them as secular. I see no evidence whatsoever that points to Justicars a being a secular group though. None.

[jamesp81]

yorkj86 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Ugh, so tired of people thinking that being a Justicar is like being a monk, which implies religiousness. Justicars are secular enforcers of law. Would you say Judge Dredd is a monk? No? Now you know why it's silly to say Justicars are monks.

Monastic order... Warrior Monk.... terms used to describe justicars.

Also, "They're closer to a religious group than a legal branch"

A Warrior Monk doesn't necessarily have to fight for his religion.  He can fight for ideals.  A "Warrior Monk" is an estimation.  Justicars enforce the "ideals" of asari society.  Even if these "ideals" have a religious source, it doesn't mean the enforcer has to be religious.  That's like saying all policemen have to religious.

True enough, but Samara always did strike me as being religious.  The older, traditional faith of the Asari is the monotheistic goddess worship.  Many Asari exclaim "by the goddess" the way we would say "oh my God".  It's a tradition that doesn't necessarily say anything about the person using the expression.

Samara, however, is a hardcore, old school traditionalist.  I think her faith in the goddess is genuine, real, and devout (we're talking about a person who says "find peace in the embrace of the goddess" before she kills someone).

I thought it quite humorous how all the Asari on Ilium viewed her as a stick in the mud traditionalist likely to start an incident.  Resonates with how some people view folks with a traditional outlook today.  But like most real traditionalists, she's not the bigoted, close minded racist that traditionalists get painted as.

In any case, no a Justicar doesn't necessarily have to be religious, but there are strong indicators that Samara is.  I would not be surprised if this was more the norm among Justicars than the exception.

Modifié par jamesp81, 30 avril 2011 - 02:12 .