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[Flamewielder]

The vibe I'm getting from Casey Hudson's comments regarding LI's and the lessons learned from the LotSB DLC reinforces the idea that most, if not all ME2 squaddies will be temp squaddies for an appropriate mission (except for those who actually come back as full squaddies, of course).

Temp squaddies do have a few advantage over full squaddies: you never get the feeling you've run out of dialogue (Calibrations, anyone?). The mission/story can be tailored to fit the character's persona, enhancing dramatic effect. The temp squaddie is also easier to add in terms of party banter, as you only have to plan for exchanges with the permanent squaddies and not a plethora of potentially dead ME2 squadmates. This leaves room for more content everyone can enjoy (new places to explore, new characters to discover, more dialogue with our favorite returning squaddies, etc...

So my money's on Samara being back to help us out on Thessia (as she promised).

[7Makaveli]

Flamewielder wrote...

The vibe I'm getting from Casey Hudson's comments regarding LI's and the lessons learned from the LotSB DLC reinforces the idea that most, if not all ME2 squaddies will be temp squaddies for an appropriate mission (except for those who actually come back as full squaddies, of course).

Temp squaddies do have a few advantage over full squaddies: you never get the feeling you've run out of dialogue (Calibrations, anyone?). The mission/story can be tailored to fit the character's persona, enhancing dramatic effect. The temp squaddie is also easier to add in terms of party banter, as you only have to plan for exchanges with the permanent squaddies and not a plethora of potentially dead ME2 squadmates. This leaves room for more content everyone can enjoy (new places to explore, new characters to discover, more dialogue with our favorite returning squaddies, etc...

So my money's on Samara being back to help us out on Thessia (as she promised).

Well, this is a good vibe to have. You've certainly got a point with the "less is more" approach that would be given to temp squad mates. I think the best thing to happen to this game so far is the delay, as that can only mean more time to write! Samara will be met in Thessia, and will orchestrate a way for Shepard and the crew to infiltrate an Asari base that has become indocrinated, as well as supervise us to make sure nothing unjust occurs. Oh and more hand holding

[Flamewielder]

Temp squaddies can easily acknowledge the permanent ones too... I'm looking forward to see what kind of exchanges Samara could have with Liara or Ashley.

Her biotics should really shine, if they are on par with the all-mighty Reave.

[This is the End My Friend]

@York
I could definitely see the fact that Samara is a Justicar having a limited role in ME3, other than the respect it generates and of course her training. But maybe where looking at it all wrong, instead of Samara parting ways with Shepard and later coming across something of importance. What if Shepard sends her to Thessia with a specific goal in mind?

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 20 mai 2011 - 03:41 .

[GuardianAngel470]

yorkj86 wrote...

GeneralSlotts193 wrote...

@York
I could definitely see the fact that Samara is a Justicar having a limited role in ME3, other than the respect it generates and of course her training. But maybe where looking at it all wrong, instead of Samara parting ways with Shepard and later coming across something of importance. What if Shepard sends her to Thessia with a specific goal in mind?

Ah, that would be cool.  She did say she would help.  Sending Samara on a mission would be better for her character, and for the plot as a whole, than just "finding" her doing something.  People seem to forget that the word of a Justicar has great influence, because the asari place so much respect in the Justicars.  She could be sent to Thessia to influence asari matriarchs, or other tasks.  Anything to warn the asari about the Reapers.

Mmmm, I see a few problems but I doubt Bioware would implement it.

Basically Samara is compelled to right EVERY wrong she comes across. What exactly would she do at the end of the world when people are looting homes on their way to escape shuttles, pushing children and women out of said shuttles in order to get on, and generally not acting very nicely?

How would she cope with what her Code compells her to do and what is realistically possible or desirable? If Shepard really needs her to do something but she gets caught up stopping a looter and ultimately fails the mission isn't that bad? 

Do you think her Code has contingencies built in for collateral damage in wartime? Does it allow for furthering an objective at the expense of a few lives in order to protect many more?

[Flamewielder]

Protect the innocent, punish the unjust in that order. Given a clear choice between saving 2 or saving 3: save 3. Given a choice between saving 2 and MAYBE saving 3, I think the justicar would save the 2 rather than MAYBE losing all 5.

I doubt she would bother stopping a mere looter when innocent lives would be put at risk because of the delay it caused her. That's assuming Samara doesn't concern herself bound by her oath of Subsumation towards Shepard and his/her goal of stopping the Reapers, in which case she'd simply ignore looters and focus on the mission (I still think she'd save innocent lives on the way, unless Shepard explicitly ordered her not to, however).

[fainmaca]

Hey there Samara fans. I'd like your opinion on something. I've been writing a ME3 fanfic, and the latest chapter (27) has Samara taking on an unexpected role. I was wondering if I could get your opinions on how she's been portrayed here. I'm going for a Samara who has let her hair down to a certain extent (I know, Asari don't have hair). Please, give me your opinions.

Link: http://www.fanfictio...nto_the_Unknown

Modifié par fainmaca, 20 mai 2011 - 12:48 .

[7Makaveli]

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Modifié par 7Makaveli, 22 mai 2011 - 02:22 .

[corporal doody]

Samara makes comment that she would consider returning to Omega after the suicide mission. I wonder if she does.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

corporal doody wrote...

Samara makes comment that she would consider returning to Omega after the suicide mission. I wonder if she does.

I hope not. There are most important places to be than dumb Omega.

[magelet]

Yeah, even if she generally stays in asari space...well, it seems likely that in the course of, y'know, a GALAXY WIDE conflict that Shep might end up in asari space at some point.

I am worried about her comment to renegadey Shepards. Even if you are a friend to Samara, if you have more renegade points than paragon she will make that comment about how if you ever meet again she'll probably attack you or something along those lines. It would suck if they actually did that.

[Aedan_Cousland]

With Liara confirmed as a squadmate I think the chances of Samara returning as a full on squadmate are slim-to-none. You'll already have a powerful Asari biotic on the squad, so chances are Samara would only be returning in a cameo or as a temporary squadmate.

[Aedan_Cousland]

yorkj86 wrote...

I just realized that we don't know Samara's name. We don't know the last names of a lot of asari, so it's no big deal, but then that, in turn, made me wonder if Samara shed her last name, when becoming a Justicar.

She may also come from a culture that only uses one name. For example here on Earth, it is customary for people in Western nations to have last names, but many people in Afghanistan do not.

Just as there are many different  ethnic groups and cultures here on Earth, the same would no doubt be true of the Asari home planet. Liara & Samara may both be Asari, but it is entirely possible that they come from two different 'nations' or cultures. It may be that Samara & Morinth come from from an Asari culture where single names are common.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 23 mai 2011 - 05:11 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Flamewielder wrote...

Protect the innocent, punish the unjust in that order. Given a clear choice between saving 2 or saving 3: save 3. Given a choice between saving 2 and MAYBE saving 3, I think the justicar would save the 2 rather than MAYBE losing all 5.

I doubt she would bother stopping a mere looter when innocent lives would be put at risk because of the delay it caused her. That's assuming Samara doesn't concern herself bound by her oath of Subsumation towards Shepard and his/her goal of stopping the Reapers, in which case she'd simply ignore looters and focus on the mission (I still think she'd save innocent lives on the way, unless Shepard explicitly ordered her not to, however).

Yeah, that's my point. I will admit that the looting thing was a bad example. How about if Samara's mission lay in a building in the center of a city and, along the way, she saw hundreds of civilians being attacked by husks. She would be compelled to protect them right?

But what if her mission was both vital to the survival of the planet and time critical? Do you think that she would be able to ignore the civilians being attacked and complete her mission, ie allow for necessary sacrifices, or do you think that sending her on a mission like that would be a bad idea?

[corporal doody]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

I just realized that we don't know Samara's name. We don't know the last names of a lot of asari, so it's no big deal, but then that, in turn, made me wonder if Samara shed her last name, when becoming a Justicar.

She may also come from a culture that only uses one name. For example here on Earth, it is customary for people in Western nations to have last names, but many people in Afghanistan do not.

Just as there are many different  ethnic groups and cultures here on Earth, the same would no doubt be true of the Asari home planet. Liara & Samara may both be Asari, but it is entirely possible that they come from two different 'nations' or cultures. It may be that Samara & Morinth come from from an Asari culture where single names are common.

Morinth's real name is Mirala.....she changed it quite a bit from what i gather.
Samara might not be her real name, but the name she chose when she became a Justicar. Asari seem to have surnames...how exactly they come about it is unclear...maybe they change similar to the warrior and aristocratic classes of pre-modern Japan. During the same time period...individuals would disavow their former lives when they joined monestaries....including their names.  Samara most likely gave up her surname when she bacame a Justicar as well...
since a surname is A hereditary name common to all members of a family, as distinct from a given name.. things she gave up..which, im sure, wasnt easy to do, especially while her children were so young....for a species that has maternal instincts (something that we humans dont have).

Modifié par corporal doody, 23 mai 2011 - 09:11 .

[corporal doody]

for humans....maternal instinct is a myth. it may have been true for the cro magnon...but not us

The Galactic Codex: Essentials Edition 2183 says that "while asari have only one gender, they are not asexual like single-celled life—all asari are sexually female", and according to Liara they also have maternal instincts.

there are alot of things said about the asari that are easily passed off as generalizations. there will always be the rare cases that stand out. With the importance that the asari place on "mating" and off-spring, maternal instinct is one of those things that i believe is true for all (save for the extremely rare individual)...hell....their entire life (cycles) is built around it.

Even Aria had a daughter. Doesnt seem she raised her to be some monster but protected in a way....and a person as business like and cold as she was, would go against her better judgement to make her child happy. Then, when her child is lost.....she goes nuts (sorta...meaning hell hath no fury style).

Modifié par corporal doody, 23 mai 2011 - 11:31 .