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GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Yeah, that's my point. I will admit that the looting thing was a bad example. How about if Samara's mission lay in a building in the center of a city and, along the way, she saw hundreds of civilians being attacked by husks. She would be compelled to protect them right?

But what if her mission was both vital to the survival of the planet and time critical? Do you think that she would be able to ignore the civilians being attacked and complete her mission, ie allow for necessary sacrifices, or do you think that sending her on a mission like that would be a bad idea?

Shepard, as the leader, needs to keep in mind the strenghts/weaknesses of his/her team of course. In your example, if the mission is clearly and immediately vital to the survival of the whole planet, Samara will likely just step on the gas pedal to get it done faster and hopefully come back to save whatever civilians survioved the husks.

If, however, Shepard does a lousy job demonstrating the vital nature of the mission to Samara, then yes: Samara could pospone the mission if the urgency of it is left vague. In short: if Samara knew the Reapers were coming and had the clock ticking away above the door (i.e. Arrival DLC), she'd press the button without hesitation (and give whatever warning she could to the 300,000 batarians). Had there been no way to know how long it would take for the Reapers to arrive, she'd probably have delayed pressing the button and attempted an evacuation.

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yorkj86 wrote...

What do you mean by "maternal instinct"?  The compulsion to have children?  The urge to take care of children? 

As anecdote, I know women who have had the compulsion to have children (not with me, but you know what I mean).  Some men have the urge to have children.

-the urge to have children is the "biological clock" thing. NOT everyone has the URGE to have kids. Some dont want them at all.  and just cuz you HAVE children...doesnt mean you will take care of them properly.
-maternal instinct (parental instinct for that matter) is BIOLOGICAL conditioning (born with it).....paternal instinct as defined at http://encyclopedia2...edictionary.com as the actions of animals that ensure or improve conditions of survival and development of their offspring.
-for Humans it isnt the NEED to take care of a child....it is the DESIRE to.  there would be no child abandonment, abuse, abortion, or drug addicted mothers. There would be alot more adoption, less orphans and more dead fathers...who participated in abuse, child endangerment and the likes.

the asari species go through a biological cycle where there is a PRONOUNCED urge to reproduce (settle down and start a family) and do have a maternal instinct. spending 30-50+ years with a child before a child leaves home (even if they are physically mature before that) is one hell of a investment. ensuring that the child is capable, equipped with the knowledge, and able to survive outside of the home.

In the US...the accepted age is 18...though certain circumstances dictate it is not feasible....cultural programming leaves one feeling "inadequate" if they do not. 

Modifié par corporal doody, 23 mai 2011 - 01:16 .

[corporal doody]

yorkj86 wrote...

Just because not all humans don't experience the urge to procreate, doesn't mean it doesn't exist, nor does it mean that it can't be identified as a biological phenomenon.

the urge to procreate isnt the same as "maternal instinct."  in regards to humans... "maternal instinct" isnt biological but societal....nature v. nuture.  if it were indeed biological....."postpartum depression" would not exist either
the urge to procreate doesnt always have to do with a "biological clock." Cultural and social conditions play heavily in the "urge"  

Modifié par corporal doody, 23 mai 2011 - 07:25 .

[zvbxrpl]

This is sort of related to the surname discussion, but is there any official word on how Asari names work, like with Quarians? Presumably it has to do with ancestry.

As to Samara's role in ME3, I'd also be OK with her being a temporary squaddie. The conflict between Shepard's way(s) of doing things and the code is just too interesting for ME3 not to explore.

[Aedan_Cousland]

yorkj86 wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

I just realized that we don't know Samara's name. We don't know the last names of a lot of asari, so it's no big deal, but then that, in turn, made me wonder if Samara shed her last name, when becoming a Justicar.

She may also come from a culture that only uses one name. For example here on Earth, it is customary for people in Western nations to have last names, but many people in Afghanistan do not.

Just as there are many different  ethnic groups and cultures here on Earth, the same would no doubt be true of the Asari home planet. Liara & Samara may both be Asari, but it is entirely possible that they come from two different 'nations' or cultures. It may be that Samara & Morinth come from from an Asari culture where single names are common.

Liara T'Soni, and her last name is mentioned casually.  Unless it's a cultural thing, Samara's last name just isn't mentioned.

I knew that Liara's last name was T'soni. I was pointing out that just because Liara has a last name, it doesn't necessarily mean that Samara or Morinth/Mirala does. We should be careful about making assumptions based on one alien character, since alien worlds would be full of different cultures and traditions just as there are many different cultures and traditions on Earth.

I have a last name, but that doesn't mean every person on the planet Earth also does. There are many parts of the world where people only use a single name. The same may be true for the Asari home planet.

Samara may have a last name that is never mentioned. Or, she may come from an Asari culture where last names are not common.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 23 mai 2011 - 08:04 .

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yorkj86 wrote...

zvbxrpl wrote...

This is sort of related to the surname discussion, but is there any official word on how Asari names work, like with Quarians? Presumably it has to do with ancestry.

As to Samara's role in ME3, I'd also be OK with her being a temporary squaddie. The conflict between Shepard's way(s) of doing things and the code is just too interesting for ME3 not to explore.

Typically, the first name ends with a soft "A" sound.  The "T" in "T'Soni" could be "child of," but we don't know, as we don't know if Matriarch Aethyta is her mother (though she probably is), nor do we know Aethyta's last name.  We don't even know who Liara's father is.

Benezia is Liara's mother. It is assumed Aethyta is Liara's "father"

and i agree....Samara and Morinth didnt have surnames....because they disavowed their surname for one reason or another. Samara because she gave up her past. Morinth because she was incognito. Most asari mentioned by name have first and last names. question is...are the last names indeed surnames?

T'Soni didnt pop out of no where and must have a meaning. perhaps it is the name Liara's parents agreed upon. maybe it is Benezia's surname. Or it has to do with the region Liara was born. hopefully they explain. 

Modifié par corporal doody, 23 mai 2011 - 10:32 .

[corporal doody]

yorkj86 wrote...

Forgot about Benezia. I've forgotten about most of ME1, for that matter. "Soni" could be a family/heritage name.

agreed....and since it is a matriarchal society....it would have been received from Benezia's side. i could see the "T" being daughter of dot dot dot the Soni-line.   sorta a spin on Icelandic with the son and dottir....Thor Gunderson (Son of Gunder) or Thorga Gundersdottir (Daughter of Gunder)....much much easier to trace lineages that way 

[zvbxrpl]

corporal doody wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Forgot about Benezia. I've forgotten about most of ME1, for that matter. "Soni" could be a family/heritage name.

agreed....and since it is a matriarchal society....it would have been received from Benezia's side. i could see the "T" being daughter of dot dot dot the Soni-line.   sorta a spin on Icelandic with the son and dottir....Thor Gunderson (Son of Gunder) or Thorga Gundersdottir (Daughter of Gunder)....much much easier to trace lineages that way 

That's what I figured.  I just had a bout of forgetting that Liara T'Soni wouldn't have a mother/father/"father" called Soni anymore than Captain Anderson's dad would really be Anders.

[Flamewielder]

Don't forget Spectre Tela Vasir... she's asari. So is Nassana Dantius. So asari apparently use surnames they share with siblings (Nassana's sister shared the same surname).

I like the idea that Samara might be a name she assumed when she took her Oath of Solitude, foregoing worldly possessions and family ties.

Morinth likely felt little motivation to keep her real name, both to maintain anonymity and perhaps also to turn the page on a rather traumatic episode of her life.

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Comic Con's coming fast... we're almost in June! Only 6 weeks before Rana and Crabcat can floor the crowd with her cosplay!

[Aedan_Cousland]

corporal doody wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

Forgot about Benezia. I've forgotten about most of ME1, for that matter. "Soni" could be a family/heritage name.

agreed....and since it is a matriarchal society....it would have been received from Benezia's side. i could see the "T" being daughter of dot dot dot the Soni-line.   sorta a spin on Icelandic with the son and dottir....Thor Gunderson (Son of Gunder) or Thorga Gundersdottir (Daughter of Gunder)....much much easier to trace lineages that way 

Since the Asari hold Matriarchs in such high esteem, the T' in T'Soni, could mean 'granddaughter of.' That at least would explain why Benezia and Matriarch Aethyta aren't referred to in game as Benezia T'Soni, or Aethyta T'Soni.

Perpahs some Asari surnames denote the matriarch you descend from, rather than the matron that gave birth to you. If that is the case, either Benezia or Aethyta's mother would have been named Soni. I'd guess Benezia since she gave birth to Liara, and as a matiarchal culture the Asari would probably hold the mother's line in greater esteem.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 27 mai 2011 - 04:51 .

[corporal doody]

i dunno....i really  think T'Soni is just a name. the "T" has no real meaning....just how the name is spelled/pronounced.  besides....we dont know Benezia's or Aethyta's names....the ones they were born with. maybe they shed their surnames when they become matriachs.

Modifié par corporal doody, 27 mai 2011 - 06:33 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

corporal doody wrote...



i dunno....i really  think T'Soni is just a name. the "T" has no real meaning....just how the name is spelled/pronounced.  besides....we dont know Benezia's or Aethyta's names....the ones they were born with. maybe they shed their surnames when they become matriachs.

I'm sure it has some meaning, since all names do even if those meanings have been forgotten by families over the centuries. We just don't know what the meaning of T'Soni is.

Also if you use Earth names as an example, last names with a prefix do have a meaning. In Irish names like O'Hara or O'Kane for example, the O' means 'grandson of.' In names with a Mac or Mck in front, it means 'son of.' Names with the prefix of Fitz, like Fitzgerald, are Norman in origin, and the 'fitz' also means 'son of.'

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 27 mai 2011 - 10:21 .

[Ashira Shepard]

>_>





*ahem* The thought that they get rid of their surnames once they're Matriarchs is interesting. It could also be a custom of joining the Justicars since they give up their former lives?

[NICKjnp]

Maybe it is because there aren't many Matriarchs.

[Flamewielder]

Asari surnames may not actually refer to filiation but place of birth, be it a province of Thessia or a given colony. Surnames serve to distingush individuals sharing the same first name, with filiation being the most commonly used among humanity (either as a family name or a variant of "son/daughter of" names).

Surnames can also be based on the profession you practice, Smith, Baker, Miller, Fisher, etc... Hence Nassana Dantius and her sister might share the same surname but not share that of their mother, either because they were born in the same area or or were (officially) in the same line of work.

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Rana's getting her first costume fitting soon... and she's getting pretty excited about it! As are we

[This is the End My Friend]

At the end of the suicide mission when you have the make the decision on the collector base, I remember Samara making a comment on Cerberus not being capable of using it properly or something. But recently I haven't been getting it, so does anyone know what convo options you have to click to get it?

Modifié par GeneralSlotts193, 29 mai 2011 - 05:28 .

[Flamewielder]

"The Illusive Man may think he is wise enough to use it. He is not."
It's actually her post-mission convo back on the Normandy, when you choose to blow up the Collector base.
During the SM, she only comments if you decide to keep it.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Isn't Samara's arguement at the base for destroying it "You have not defeated your enemy if you adopted hs methods."?