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[Whatcote Park]

btw, I vaguely remember an interview with the developers, around about when the first video showing off Samara was broadcasted, stating that she was one of the best character's they'd ever created. Does anyone else remember this or I am going insane? I'll try and find it

Modifié par Whatcote Park, 30 mars 2010 - 05:21 .

[NICKjnp]

Sadly... Morinth gets none.

[DirtyVagrant]

Whatcote Park wrote...

btw, I vaguely remember an interview when the a video showed off Samara for the first time stating that she was one of the best character's they'd ever created. Does anyone else remember this or I am going insane? I'll try and find it

I don't recall such a video but I'd certainly be interested in seeing one.

NICKjnp wrote...

Sadly... Morinth gets none.

Gets no support?

[Flamewielder]

7Makaveli wrote...
According to Wiki; A knight-errant is a figure of medieval chivalric romance literature.

Amen to that!  Although courtly love ("amour courtois" ) was praised because it was chaste... bummer!

I wonder about different Justicar personalities. Are some Justicars more cruel and swift in their interpretation of the Code, could others be more liberal? Is there a corrupt Justicar who only became one to get stronger and become above the law. I know it probably contradicts the whole idea of a Justicar but there is always exceptions to the rule.

From Samara's comments, the Code, while extensive, appears to cover things rather well, leaving little room for interpretation. But it's not impossible two Justicars might disagree on a specific case. Given the ancient history of the Order, some form of ritual trial by combat might be used to settle any argument over what course should be followed. Especially when we hear Samara describe her encounter with Nihlus as "exhilarating", as if Justicars enjoy it when combat is used to resolve an issue/point of law. Nihlus essentially used the Code against itself, so contradictions ARE possible.

<Justicar Samara> "Verse 657 is clear, my crewmate must be allowed to live in order to stop this injustice."
<Justicar Asorna> " I disagree, honored sister: verses 852 and 966 say otherwise."
<Samara - turning towards Shepard> "We have a dissagreement and that is... unfortunate. Will you do me the service of acting as my second, Shepard?"
<Shepard> "What? You're gonna FIGHT over this???"
<Asorna> "Is there any other reason for fighting higher than Justice, human?"
<Shepard> "..."
<Samara - a trace of a smile on her face> "Your concern is... appreciated. I am confident Asorna will yield to my argument in short order..." <biotic glow building up in the room> 

[sunnyfunny]

luv samara

[jlb524]

I like this pic I took of Samara..







If anyone wants a specific Samara screen shot/frame I could probably get it.

[DirtyVagrant]

yorkj86 wrote...

We've seen Samara smile, and we've heard Samara chuckle, but I wonder what kind of humor would make her laugh.

I'm thinking that Samara would like puns, satire, irony, and maybe repartee.  Anything that comes from wit, really.  She probably considers herself above crude humor.

An asari, a krogan, and a hanar walk into a bar...

[Flamewielder]

yorkj86 wrote...

Flamewielder, that makes the Justicars sound like two coaches arguing over whether or not a play or move was illegal. I guess that's always the fate of two people with the same rulebook, though, yeah?

Pretty much, although we're probably looking at referees more than coaches... and referees (usually) don't resolve such arguments through trial by combat...

<Shepard - concerned> " Will she be all right, doctor?"
<Dr. Chakwas> "The wounds were nothing a field dressing of medigel couldn't fix. Resetting her dislocated pelvis and fractured thighbone required more time, but she's a swift healer. I gather the fight went poorly?"
<Shepard - thoughtful> "Actually... she won."
<Dr. Chakwas - astonished> "..."

[volly0071]

[quote]Yes, I was trying to illustrate that some of the dissappointement players feel over the reunion in ME2 is based more on expectations than what Liara's true personality might be. She's socially awkward, so she uses the same threat as her mothe...


To me, Liara's character was under-written in ME1: too much trivia about the asari species at the expense of dialogue that would have explored HER and her personality. By contrast, we learned a bunch of personal stuff abouth Ashley...
 
Anyway, that's my two-bits worth. I hope it contributed to a good discussion among Liara fans.[quote]

Damn, I need sleep.  I moved this over here bc of where I'm going to end with it.
I agree with her char being underwritten in ME. However, there was enough char for me to be annoyed by her. I found her to be too childish, and manipulative(to each there own preception, eh). Which is how I viewed the asari in general after playing ME(even the first playthough). Not bc of her alone; all of them contributed to this. Liara, Shi'ira, Benezia, Shiala all were manipulators.

Liara, Oh poor me, I'm tired after the joining;  "are you coming to look like a fool for falling for my see though little game, commander?". Benezia, I want power, wait no I don't. I'm trying to make the galaxy a better place.(by sitting behind a puppet, hiding the fact that I want power.) Shiala, gets lumped in with Benezia, and Shi'ira just made me sick. I was just as offended with her touching me in ME, as I was Miranda's ass waving shots attempting to treat the player like a mindless tool. I couldn't stand, nor did I trust  the Asari after the first game.

The exploration, and copying of genetic traits also disturbed me greatly. I mean when you look around ME, the Asari are blending with males(not that sex is an issue for them) of all species on the citadel. Yes, we see them spending time the with females(human) too. However, the other races, IIRC, keep their females in their own space for one reason, or another. This always bothered me bc it leaves that role to be filled with a race of manipulators. "like gardening..," take what we need from here, put out a little there, and no ones the wiser. (Expect the worst, hope it really not this way.)

Samara changed the way I view thier species as a whole. Her straight forwardness is refreshing; and even if the conversation isn't a completely open one, her dialogue is still direct. I don't know. Maybe the Justicars came about bc the Asari are so damned manipulative in the first place? 

Oh' well, If I don't shut up I'm going to keep rambling. Sorry about, man I need sleep.

And, yeah. I can see that senerio you just painted with the duel there,FW.

[sliverofamoon]

Awesome character! My second favorite behind Tali!

Loved her stories, GREAT squadmate, and always honorable.

[volly0071]

Nice pic york. good morning, afternoon, and night all I'm going to bed.

[adriano_c]

yorkj86 wrote...

We've seen Samara smile, and we've heard Samara chuckle, but I wonder what kind of humor would make her laugh.

I'm thinking that Samara would like puns, satire, irony, and maybe repartee.  Anything that comes from wit, really.  She probably considers herself above crude humor.

Maybe some existentialist humor...regardless as to what sort, definitely dryly delivered, very deadpan.

[jlb524]

volly0071 wrote...

*snip*

Ahhh, what?  Quotes are a bit messed up!

Modifié par jlb524, 30 mars 2010 - 06:30 .

[RPGmom28]

Although I was disappointed that you can't romance Samara- well, not completely, I assumed it was because a justicar is a sort of a jedi. And we all know what happened to Anakin when he let love cloud his judgement. However, I also can't imagine having to live hundreds of years without love. In a way it makes me feel sad for her.

[Flamewielder]

volly0071 wrote...
... I found her to be too childish, and manipulative(to each there own preception, eh). Which is how I viewed the asari in general after playing ME(even the first playthough). Not bc of her alone; all of them contributed to this. Liara, Shi'ira, Benezia, Shiala all were manipulators.

Liara, Oh poor me, I'm tired after the joining;  "are you coming to look like a fool for falling for my see though little game, commander?". Benezia, I want power, wait no I don't. I'm trying to make the galaxy a better place.(by sitting behind a puppet, hiding the fact that I want power.) Shiala, gets lumped in with Benezia, and Shi'ira just made me sick. I was just as offended with her touching me in ME, as I was Miranda's ass waving shots attempting to treat the player like a mindless tool. I couldn't stand, nor did I trust  the Asari after the first game.

The exploration, and copying of genetic traits also disturbed me greatly. I mean when you look around ME, the Asari are blending with males(not that sex is an issue for them) of all species on the citadel. Yes, we see them spending time the with females(human) too. However, the other races, IIRC, keep their females in their own space for one reason, or another. This always bothered me bc it leaves that role to be filled with a race of manipulators. "like gardening..," take what we need from here, put out a little there, and no ones the wiser. (Expect the worst, hope it really not this way.)

Samara changed the way I view thier species as a whole. Her straight forwardness is refreshing; and even if the conversation isn't a completely open one, her dialogue is still direct. I don't know. Maybe the Justicars came about bc the Asari are so damned manipulative in the first place? 

Each one of the Council species earned their seat on the Council because of a particular strength:

Turians: strenght of arms + society that prizes duty above personal gain
Salarians: ingenuity driven by short life span and accelerated metabolism
Asari: bountiful blue bosoms?  I think not... but Aria makes no bones about it: asari come with certain "advantages" they have learned to put to good use... and those include being VERY convincing. So yes, I agree that asari are "manipulative" insofar as they know how to convince others to agree to their views. It makes them consummate diplomats, politicians, bards... ah I meant spies(commandos)...

The asari were the first species to discover the relays in this current cycle but did not seek to keep the knowledge for themselves, rather they willingly shared it wth the other races of Council space. It shows either:

<paragon> they are an enlightened species who believe shared knowledge and purpose is beneficial to all, or
<renegade> they can seduce/manipulate any of the orther races to their advantage.

I won't try and ascribe any particular motivation to the asari, but I know they value willpower and personality first over other qualities a person may have. A smart willfull person knows he can get a lot more done by convincing others to help out, rather than doing the job alone.

But this only remotely concerns Samara...

[kelmar6821]

oih, I can't believe how rusty i am at this stuff. It took me an hour last night to cut her out of that screen shot.

edit

uhoh, i see a few bits of the background i left...

Modifié par kelmar6821, 30 mars 2010 - 07:24 .

[DirtyVagrant]

That's awesome, kelmar! Bravo!

[7Makaveli]