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[JamesMoriarty123]

Just a quick post to thank Bioware for not caving in to the small, whining gay community across the first 2 games. Here's hoping you make a stellar 3rd installment.
Man on man romance would only hurt the overall image of Shepherd as an icon, whether the gay community argues this point or not.

What's more ludicrous is that they seem to want every male in the game to date to be suddenly romanceable as a gay man...it's rediculous. For example, the very first time you pursue some dialogue with Kaiden in ME1, without even going anywhere near flirtaceous behaviour, not only does he mention Liara in a sexual context, but also recalls a lost love on Jump Zero. Kaiden is straight, that's how it is. If Bioware were to change him now, gross error.
Not to mention Thane, he has a family, if you explored his backstory you can just feel the love he had for his wife coming through the damn screen at you.
There is a minority argument that "Oh, they can be Bi then...", to that I say, don't talk so baldy headed. Clearly it would break the immersion. Not romanceable in ME1, not romanceable in ME2, see the trend? The are iconic characters with established backstories, to change them would damage the game immessurably.

Ever since the first ME came out theres been "Gaymance" threads, and thankfully none of them have had the weight to influence a decision, and I for one am thankful for that. Keep gay sex away from our beloved characters please, the argument for it is baseless, you gay guys represent an extremely small portion of the ME community and over 3 years you have made your point. Now's the time to just stop it.

All of the arguments the gay community come up with are weak as it is. "Oh, we should have the choice!" as if it's a God given right? Be happy you were born in such a tolerant century as it is. It's just irritating that all these people are just pestering Bioware when no one except like a couple hundred people give's a toss...let Bioware focus on making a better game, not devoting time and resources to pander to an extremely small portion of the community.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 07 février 2010 - 06:55 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

Double Post.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 07 février 2010 - 02:01 .

[Borschtbeet]

Honestly, I wouldn't mind if Shepard could be gay. If you don't like it, don't play as a gay character.



It's not like Zevran raped us in Dragon Age or anything.



It's not a huge deal and I won't whine if Shepard is only straight in Mass Effect 3, but a Shepard could be amusing.

[T1l]

Borschtbeet wrote...

It's not like Zevran raped us in Dragon Age or anything.

Beware his massage.

[DigitalLiquid I]

Thank god, when i saw the thread title i thought you were calling the people who complain about the game "gay". Luckily i was mistaken, though now i have no interest in the thread. Good luck with it though. Good day.

[JamesMoriarty123]

I am merely expressing my opinion. I don't want a gay Shepherd option, for me it would tarnish the image of the series, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this. I don't want this thread to devolve into a trolling flamefest so that's all I'll say.

[JamesMoriarty123]

DigitalLiquid I wrote...

Thank god, when i saw the thread title i thought you were calling the people who complain about the game "gay". Luckily i was mistaken, though now i have no interest in the thread. Good luck with it though. Good day.

Lol, I should have put the title as "Whining Gays" maybe?

[Console Cowboy]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Man on man romance would only hurt the overall image of Shepherd as an icon, whether the gay community argues this point or not.

oh aye? elaborate.

[Pannamaslo]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...


Man on man romance would only hurt the overall image of Shepherd as an icon, whether the gay community argues this point or not.

But female on female is OK? I am asking not to flame, but out of curiosity. Man tend to be more tolerant when f/f are considered.

[JohnnySmash]

 How would you like it if in ME3 you could only play as a gay Shepard and you couldn't romance any of the girl characters even if you tried?  Would probably just be annoying the whole game, right?  Gay romances didn't hurt Dragon Age, they wouldn't hurt Mass Effect either.

[masanbol]

Tarnish the image? Somehow being gay is a "tarnish"? Sorry buddy, but relationships are just relationships, you can't put a qualifier on someone's feelings.



I knew the gaming community in general had a few homophobes, but I haven't seen anything this blatant in years.

[Zack Ross]

Well gay romances with Shepard won't happen, I'd already talked about it previously in another thread, but there are certain things they won't let Shepard do because he's the icon of the franchise. They asked about a gay romance for Shepard in an interview on IGN and the devs said they had no intention to allow it.   xbox360.ign.com/articles/106/1066954p2.html

Modifié par Zack Ross, 07 février 2010 - 02:21 .

[JamesMoriarty123]

Pannamaslo wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...


Man
on man romance would only hurt the overall image of Shepherd as an
icon, whether the gay community argues this point or not.

But
female on female is OK? I am asking not to flame, but out of curiosity.
Man tend to be more tolerant when f/f are considered.

Gaming
is still predominantly a man's market, so yeah, female on female isn't
so much of an issue. Moreso for me as I've never actually played a
female Shepherd.

JohnnySmash wrote...

 How would you like it if in ME3 you
could only play as a gay Shepard and you couldn't romance any of the
girl characters even if you tried?  Would probably just be annoying the
whole game, right?  Gay romances didn't hurt Dragon Age, they wouldn't
hurt Mass Effect either.

The vast majority of the world
population aren't gay so...whether I would like or dislike it is
irrelevant and your point is moot.

masanbol wrote...

Tarnish the image? Somehow being gay is a
"tarnish"? Sorry buddy, but relationships are just relationships, you
can't put a qualifier on someone's feelings.

I knew the gaming
community in general had a few homophobes, but I haven't seen anything
this blatant in years.

Without trying to feed the trolls
or the flamers, If my opinion is that I don't want a gay option, I'm a
homophobe? I hope you can see the hypocrisy in that statement. I have
nothing against a gay man being gay out in the world, I just don't want
it present in my favourite game, again, in this I'm not alone.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Zack Ross wrote...

Well gay romances with Shepard won't happen, I'd already talked about it previously in another thread, but there are certain things they won't let Shepard do because he's the icon of the franchise. They asked about a gay romance for Shepard in an interview on IGN and the devs said they had no intention to allow it.   xbox360.ign.com/articles/106/1066954p2.html

That post has settled my mind somewhat. Ray Muzyka totally gets what it's all about. Shepherd is a defined character, we are merely tailoring the skillset and the female romance choices. If that doesn't say that they have degfined Shepherd as straight, I don't know what does.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 07 février 2010 - 02:28 .

[corebit]

OP I would have agreed with you if there were no same sex options in the game. I am a straight guy, but I think it's unfair that there is F/F romance but not M/M. Either you include all same sex options or not at all.

[JamesMoriarty123]

corebit wrote...

OP I would have agreed with you if there were no same sex options in the game. I am a straight guy, but I think it's unfair that there is F/F romance but not M/M. Either you include all same sex options or not at all.

I am in total agreement. If there was no F/F romance then it wouldn't really affect me at all. I play the game as a man because I am a man, not big into roleplaying as a female.

scyphozoa wrote...

this doesn't make sense, the idea of
Mass Effect is to create your own character, decisions and canon. The
game of ME has very little definitive cannon. Just as you may dislike a
gayshep, others might dislike an alien-lovingshep.

since it is a
matter of choice of who you choose to interact with and how it doesn't
change the image or icon of SHEP, because that is for your to create,
not anyone else.

so i guess in closing, bioware should give
players as many choices as possible so all players can choose what they
do and do not want for their story.

Ray Muzyka said it in the article better than I ever could. ME is a tailored third person narrative. Bioware have crafted Shepherd to me a particular person, therefore we don't get to customise all elements, and after 2 games, I'm exceedingly happy with that.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 07 février 2010 - 02:38 .

[DigitalLiquid I]

Damn, guess i should throw in my useless two-cents.

I have to agree with most of the people in this thread, there really should be a gay option. You have the option to be straight, go for some alien loving or be a lesbian. Seems strange that there isn't a gay option. Just can't really see a reason why it isn't there.

[Leyt22]

I'll quote the article because I think it settles the matter:

Ray Muzyka: Here's how the games are different: Dragon Age is a first person narrative, where you're taking on an origin and a role, and you are that character at a fundamental level. It's fundamentally about defining your character, including those kinds of concepts. In Mass Effect it's more a third person narrative, where you have a pre-defined character who is who he is, or she is. But it's not a wide-open choice matrix. It's more choice on a tactical level with a pre-defined character. So they're different types of narratives, and that's intentional.

We're not saying that one approach is better than the other. In our previous games, as we did in Jade Empire, as we did in KOTOR, as we did in Baldur's Gate, and many games before and in the future, we enable those kinds of choices, whereas in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined character with certain approaches and worldviews, and that's just who he or she is. So we constrain the choice set somewhat, but enable more tactical choices and enable a deeper, richer personality, because it's more focused around defining one character, it's not as wide open. But that's by choice.

It's first person versus third person narrative, and the types of choices you get to make within that are related to that, whether you've got a pre-defined character or a wide-open character. Some of our games have been wide open, and some have been more constrained, and we'll probably continue both kinds of character development in the future.

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Shepard is a defined character, and it's apparently been defined that he isn't gay. I don't think this should or will change in the third game.

Modifié par Leyt22, 07 février 2010 - 02:39 .

[Zack Ross]

Yes people but if you read that interview I linked in a previous post you'd see Bioware feels as if you're playing a Third Person RPG as in you're just helping to define somewhat whom Shepard is, he's not a character you made from scratch, there are reasons they limit what you can do with him, so if you read that interview from IGN you'll see they have no intention to ever let Shepard have a male/male romance.

[Melchiah109]

Asari are gender neutral you know. Just because they look like a chick doesn't mean they are one. Go to Thailand if you don't believe it.

[Chaos-fusion]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I play the game as a man because I am a man, not big into roleplaying as a female.

but tough luck to people who want to play as a gay because they are?

[Pannamaslo]

I understand BW reasoning and aslo yours JamesMoriarty123 , but I wouldn't mind gay option even if I won't use it. Still if you say that game is man's market why bother to create femShep and 3 straight LI's for her? IMO BW risked when adding femShep in ME1 but at the end they acquired a strong fangirl base. Maybe the same would happen for gay option - it would open new market possiblities. But it could also blew in their faces, as you've pointed out many people would not approve of this. TBH I don't know how it would play out on ME brand image, maybe BW suspects, so they did not add that content. Still I understand LGBT community frustration and disappointment.

[CMD-Shep]

yeah, never understood why dudes play as a lady myself.