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[KillTheLastRomantic]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I am merely expressing my opinion. I don't want a gay Shepherd option, for me it would tarnish the image of the series, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this. I don't want this thread to devolve into a trolling flamefest so that's all I'll say.

Then you must either be REALLY sexually insecure or just horribly closeminded.

[Cluck Norris]

diskoh wrote...

Cluck Norris wrote...

You aren't any better than the "gay bashers" that you claim to be against.

Yes, he is. It may have been a naive thing to say, but I'll take naive over the alternative any day. Gay bashers and racists share the bottom rung of human value.

Funny that the gays (such as yourself) seem to be bashing hetero-sexuals as well. That is quite rediculous.

Now the gays on these forums are insulting heterosexuals to prove their point? LOL.

The irony is delicious.

[tausra]

Waste time designing space hamsters and fish or add to the story? Hmmm, that's a toughy! I'm not only insulted by your lack of respect for your fellow man, but am appalled that the devs have allowed this discussion to continue.



Each Shepard is unique and therefore should have the right to be played how we, the player, decide to play them. Characters in the story should be able to react to such a small change, a Gay male Shepard should have the option to, or at least ability to try to, romance anyone he chooses. A handful of dialog options are not and would not be too costly, especially to correct the unfair bias against the GLBTQ community that has emerged with this game.



Any character in game can be any sexuality they want, because no one here knows every single thought and detail in those characters lives and minds. How do you know Thane doesn't like guys, and has never been with one? Are you so much of an expert in Miranda's background that you are 100% certain she isn't curious? You are not, and you cannot be.

[Orogenic]

Cluck Norris wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

And for the love of god, those of you with brains PLEASE stop responding to these trolls. Once you've discovered someone has an IQ<80 there is no further reason to engage in debate.

I'm still baffled I take part of such forum arguments, PARTICULARLY videogame ones where it seems the average IQ is lower than anywhere else...

Then just stop.

I've actually made a couple calls to a few friends that went to law school.. I'm wondering if it might not be possible to bring charges against a couple of the posters here under hate crime legislation.

The time really has come for decent people to stop sitting quietly while ignorant bigots attack and abuse minority groups just because they think no one will stop them.

Those out there with similar minds please take some backup copies of the relevant posts here.

So how is that lawsuit against 4chan going, and Encyclopedia Dramatica going?

Typical. Instead of refuting points, you resort to making empty threats.

You aren't any better than the "gay bashers" that you claim to be against.

I wasn't talking about going after bioware, I was talking about going after individuals.  It seems very unlikely that this would even be legally possible, but hey it's worth a shot.

At the very least some of the kids reading this forum might take the time to consider the seriousness of posting hateful/ intolerant speech even on something as silly as an internet forum.

I can't say I've experienced this type of hate personally (I'm a WASP heterosexual male in the Southern US which makes me rather unlikely to experience discrimination) but I have seen the destructive effects of this cultural intolerance on many people that I have great respect for.

Words can hurt worse than thrown rocks, especially when they are aimed at young people.  I will not stand by and watch idiots merrily attack those that they percieve to be weaker and defective, even on an anonymous internet forum.  Those of you here that count yourselves as decent people should also refuse to sit idle while this type of abuse is ongoing.

[Cluck Norris]

Khavos wrote...

Cluck Norris wrote...

Khavos wrote...

Cluck Norris wrote...

Khavos wrote...

Cluck Norris wrote...

This is getting pathetic. Bioware should just come out and say there will never be a gay romance in Mass Effect, ever and lock every thread about it.

That'd be pretty funny if they did, given that there have been gay romances in both the games so far. 

Notice I said Mass Effect.

There haven't. Asari are not male nor female.

No, asari are female.  I'm also pretty sure Kelly Chambers is a female, too. 

Why do I even bother arguing with people who don't know the universe.

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Asari

"asari are non-gender specific, with no concept of gender differences"

And getting a strip-tease from Kelly doesn't mean you romanced her. That is like saying going to the after-life club means that your female Shepard is automatically a lesbian.

That's cute.  The in-game codex refers to them as an all-female race.

I think I'll take Bioware's word over the wiki. 

And when you speak to Liara she tells you that they have no sense of gender.

I'll take Bioware's word over a typo on the codex.

[CRISIS1717]

OP expertly trolled you guys, hang your heads in shame.

[Endurance_117]

Funny the Asari don't look at Male and Female as homsexual or strait. They look at inbreeding as wrong though

[illerianna]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

illerianna wrote...

CakesOnAPlane wrote...

I don't care if there's a gay romance, but if there is a gay character he should be interesting for everyone and not just thrown in for the sake of it.

QFT.

Also, I say we turn this from a BAWWW fest (from both sides) into a cute animal fest before it gets locked.

That's right, when defeated, instead of conceding, post animal pictures.  I'd say you're an accurate representation of your community.

Because your manly-man instincts insist you must remain totally hetero as well as a chef of flamebait.

Keep rockin.

Like I said. You are continuing to be a royal dick, and must be asking for a b&.

Insist that you have "won" if it'll make you sleep better. But, hey, what do I know? I'm just a ******-loving ****got who takes it up the ass and is far inferior to you and your "super hot girlfriend".

[Pannamaslo]

PaulBreen wrote...

I see no problem with including m/m romance options in ME3.  If, in your head, Shepard has always been a straight guy, then a simple "No thanks, I don't swing that way" option will cover it, and no-ones opinion of their character has to be altered.  But I think it's perfectly understandable that people might want it, and why not?  If you've skipped the m/f romances in the first couple of games, are starting a new character for ME3 or decide that your Shepard is bisexual (and it's not as if this is some bafflingly rare thing, according to the wikipedia entry on the Kinsey Reports: "The reports also state that nearly 46% of the male subjects had "reacted" sexually to persons of both sexes in the course of their adult lives, and 37% had at least one homosexual experience." - and this in the rather more oppressive atmosphere of the late 40s/ early 1950s, rather than the no doubt more relaxed 22nd century (from the way Ash talks in the first game about how people view her belief in God, it seems that religion has receeded quite a bit amongst humanity in this time, and I would expect that that would come with a concomitant growth in acceptance of non-standard sexuality, though Bioware are free to posit differently, of course.)) then the silly out-of-character arguments disappear.
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I just want to say as to everyone quoting Kinsey. His data are biased and invalid. His methodology sucked big time and is not considered as realible study anymore. So don't do that.

Modifié par Pannamaslo, 07 février 2010 - 06:08 .

[ReDSH1FT]

Orogenic wrote...

Cluck Norris wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

And for the love of god, those of you with brains PLEASE stop responding to these trolls. Once you've discovered someone has an IQ<80 there is no further reason to engage in debate.

I'm still baffled I take part of such forum arguments, PARTICULARLY videogame ones where it seems the average IQ is lower than anywhere else...

Then just stop.

I've actually made a couple calls to a few friends that went to law school.. I'm wondering if it might not be possible to bring charges against a couple of the posters here under hate crime legislation.

The time really has come for decent people to stop sitting quietly while ignorant bigots attack and abuse minority groups just because they think no one will stop them.

Those out there with similar minds please take some backup copies of the relevant posts here.

So how is that lawsuit against 4chan going, and Encyclopedia Dramatica going?

Typical. Instead of refuting points, you resort to making empty threats.

You aren't any better than the "gay bashers" that you claim to be against.

I wasn't talking about going after bioware, I was talking about going after individuals.  It seems very unlikely that this would even be legally possible, but hey it's worth a shot.

At the very least some of the kids reading this forum might take the time to consider the seriousness of posting hateful/ intolerant speech even on something as silly as an internet forum.

I can't say I've experienced this type of hate personally (I'm a WASP heterosexual male in the Southern US which makes me rather unlikely to experience discrimination) but I have seen the destructive effects of this cultural intolerance on many people that I have great respect for.

Words can hurt worse than thrown rocks, especially when they are aimed at young people.  I will not stand by and watch idiots merrily attack those that they percieve to be weaker and defective, even on an anonymous internet forum.  Those of you here that count yourselves as decent people should also refuse to sit idle while this type of abuse is ongoing.

I can throw a rock pretty hard.  Wanna see if it hurts more then my words?

[Khavos]

Cluck Norris wrote...

And when you speak to Liara she tells you that they have no sense of gender.

I'll take Bioware's word over a typo on the codex.

Not having a "sense of gender" is not the same as not having gender. 

That "typo" managed to be overlooked twice, and also during dialogue recording.  You're reaching.  Which isn't surprising, because you have no argument. 

[TheSpaceHamster]

Forthwith and hitherto forum-goers! 

[Russalka]

The asari are sexually an all-female race.

And wiki states Kelly is a romance option, so go figure.



And sensible posts are becoming tldr now?

This thread is annoying, but it will keep going on as long as there is a lack of explanation, from Bioware or from the all-straight side, without only pointing to the opening post or the article, or just saying we're all whiners.

Or until it gets locked.

The f/f romances do make them seem hypocritical.

[diskoh]

Cluck Norris wrote...


And when you speak to Liara she tells you that they have no sense of gender.

I'll take Bioware's word over a typo on the codex.

Their sex is all-female. Gender is different than sex.

[Endurance_117]

TheSpaceHamster wrote...

Forthwith and hitherto forum-goers! 

Be prepared for a ban lol

[illerianna]

TheSpaceHamster wrote...

Forthwith and hitherto forum-goers! 

This explains everything on the internet ever.

[Cluck Norris]

Orogenic wrote...

Cluck Norris wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

And for the love of god, those of you with brains PLEASE stop responding to these trolls. Once you've discovered someone has an IQ<80 there is no further reason to engage in debate.

I'm still baffled I take part of such forum arguments, PARTICULARLY videogame ones where it seems the average IQ is lower than anywhere else...

Then just stop.

I've actually made a couple calls to a few friends that went to law school.. I'm wondering if it might not be possible to bring charges against a couple of the posters here under hate crime legislation.

The time really has come for decent people to stop sitting quietly while ignorant bigots attack and abuse minority groups just because they think no one will stop them.

Those out there with similar minds please take some backup copies of the relevant posts here.

So how is that lawsuit against 4chan going, and Encyclopedia Dramatica going?

Typical. Instead of refuting points, you resort to making empty threats.

You aren't any better than the "gay bashers" that you claim to be against.

I wasn't talking about going after bioware, I was talking about going after individuals.  It seems very unlikely that this would even be legally possible, but hey it's worth a shot.

At the very least some of the kids reading this forum might take the time to consider the seriousness of posting hateful/ intolerant speech even on something as silly as an internet forum.

I can't say I've experienced this type of hate personally (I'm a WASP heterosexual male in the Southern US which makes me rather unlikely to experience discrimination) but I have seen the destructive effects of this cultural intolerance on many people that I have great respect for.

Words can hurt worse than thrown rocks, especially when they are aimed at young people.  I will not stand by and watch idiots merrily attack those that they percieve to be weaker and defective, even on an anonymous internet forum.  Those of you here that count yourselves as decent people should also refuse to sit idle while this type of abuse is ongoing.

Once again. Please, tell me how that lawsuit is going agains the people of 4chan, and Encyclopedia Dramatica?

It isn't. You have no merits whatsoever to sue someone because they hurt your fellings.

Welcome to the internet, idiot. Now sue me!

[Pannamaslo]

Khavos wrote...

Cluck Norris wrote...

And when you speak to Liara she tells you that they have no sense of gender.

I'll take Bioware's word over a typo on the codex.

Not having a "sense of gender" is not the same as not having gender. 

That "typo" managed to be overlooked twice, and also during dialogue recording.  You're reaching.  Which isn't surprising, because you have no argument. 

I always though that their sex is female, but are gender neutral. Like in biological sex and cultural gender thing...

[Default137]

Ya'll trying to defend your ideals against a troll.

[coinop25]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Just a quick post to thank Bioware for not caving in to the small, whining gay community across the first 2 games. Here's hoping you make a stellar 3rd installment.
Man on man romance would only hurt the overall image of Shepherd as an icon, whether the gay community argues this point or not.

I don't get the impression that the writers at Bioware are especially homophobic, so it must be pretty awkward for them to be getting notes of thanks like this one. Kind of like getting a Christmas card from the KKK that says, "Hey, keep up the good work!" 

[TheSpaceHamster]

Endurance_117 wrote...

TheSpaceHamster wrote...

Forthwith and hitherto forum-goers! 

Be prepared for a ban lol

oh noes!  Whatever would I do....my life would not be completed without my elite internet message forum...

Seriously?  After all the hate being spewed (by both sides) people honestly believe BioWare is more concerned about still-life photographs?  That could be a self portrait!  Am I so hideous I need to be banished to the lava pits?!

Alas, my ego is crushed...ruined...defeated.  

[diskoh]

Pannamaslo wrote...

I always though that their sex is female, but are gender neutral. Like in biological sex and cultural gender thing...

You're correct.

[Cluck Norris]

diskoh wrote...

Cluck Norris wrote...


And when you speak to Liara she tells you that they have no sense of gender.

I'll take Bioware's word over a typo on the codex.

Their sex is all-female. Gender is different than sex.

Female is how humans would describe them. I bet if you asked an asari, they would tell you that they have no sex or sense of gender. They are all one.

Ask Liara in ME1 when you are a female. If you are going to be ignorant about the universe I don't think you should even be arguing since you are obviously ignorant to the issue at hand.

[illerianna]

Cluck Norris wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Cluck Norris wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

And for the love of god, those of you with brains PLEASE stop responding to these trolls. Once you've discovered someone has an IQ<80 there is no further reason to engage in debate.

I'm still baffled I take part of such forum arguments, PARTICULARLY videogame ones where it seems the average IQ is lower than anywhere else...

Then just stop.

I've actually made a couple calls to a few friends that went to law school.. I'm wondering if it might not be possible to bring charges against a couple of the posters here under hate crime legislation.

The time really has come for decent people to stop sitting quietly while ignorant bigots attack and abuse minority groups just because they think no one will stop them.

Those out there with similar minds please take some backup copies of the relevant posts here.

So how is that lawsuit against 4chan going, and Encyclopedia Dramatica going?

Typical. Instead of refuting points, you resort to making empty threats.

You aren't any better than the "gay bashers" that you claim to be against.

I wasn't talking about going after bioware, I was talking about going after individuals.  It seems very unlikely that this would even be legally possible, but hey it's worth a shot.

At the very least some of the kids reading this forum might take the time to consider the seriousness of posting hateful/ intolerant speech even on something as silly as an internet forum.

I can't say I've experienced this type of hate personally (I'm a WASP heterosexual male in the Southern US which makes me rather unlikely to experience discrimination) but I have seen the destructive effects of this cultural intolerance on many people that I have great respect for.

Words can hurt worse than thrown rocks, especially when they are aimed at young people.  I will not stand by and watch idiots merrily attack those that they percieve to be weaker and defective, even on an anonymous internet forum.  Those of you here that count yourselves as decent people should also refuse to sit idle while this type of abuse is ongoing.

Once again. Please, tell me how that lawsuit is going agains the people of 4chan, and Encyclopedia Dramatica?

It isn't. You have no merits whatsoever to sue someone because they hurt your fellings.

Welcome to the internet, idiot. Now sue me!

I have to agree.

Honey, you can disagree all you want. But a lawsuit over what someone said over the internet? THAT is ridiculous. If it bothers you that much, try to get them banned from the forums or something. But remember the 1st Amendmant. We can argue and call them bigots, but they still have the right to say whatever they please.

[Pannamaslo]

Cluck Norris wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Cluck Norris wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Orogenic wrote...

And for the love of god, those of you with brains PLEASE stop responding to these trolls. Once you've discovered someone has an IQ<80 there is no further reason to engage in debate.

I'm still baffled I take part of such forum arguments, PARTICULARLY videogame ones where it seems the average IQ is lower than anywhere else...

Then just stop.

I've actually made a couple calls to a few friends that went to law school.. I'm wondering if it might not be possible to bring charges against a couple of the posters here under hate crime legislation.

The time really has come for decent people to stop sitting quietly while ignorant bigots attack and abuse minority groups just because they think no one will stop them.

Those out there with similar minds please take some backup copies of the relevant posts here.

So how is that lawsuit against 4chan going, and Encyclopedia Dramatica going?

Typical. Instead of refuting points, you resort to making empty threats.

You aren't any better than the "gay bashers" that you claim to be against.

I wasn't talking about going after bioware, I was talking about going after individuals.  It seems very unlikely that this would even be legally possible, but hey it's worth a shot.

At the very least some of the kids reading this forum might take the time to consider the seriousness of posting hateful/ intolerant speech even on something as silly as an internet forum.

I can't say I've experienced this type of hate personally (I'm a WASP heterosexual male in the Southern US which makes me rather unlikely to experience discrimination) but I have seen the destructive effects of this cultural intolerance on many people that I have great respect for.

Words can hurt worse than thrown rocks, especially when they are aimed at young people.  I will not stand by and watch idiots merrily attack those that they percieve to be weaker and defective, even on an anonymous internet forum.  Those of you here that count yourselves as decent people should also refuse to sit idle while this type of abuse is ongoing.

Once again. Please, tell me how that lawsuit is going agains the people of 4chan, and Encyclopedia Dramatica?

It isn't. You have no merits whatsoever to sue someone because they hurt your fellings.

Welcome to the internet, idiot. Now sue me!

Oh man. I don't think we have a paragraph for it in Poland XD