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[Ataru13]

LoLin' at rampant homophobia ITT.

[Images]

Can we just lock this flamebait down?



What a douche.

[masanbol]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Without trying to feed the trolls or the flamers, If my opinion is that I don't want a gay option, I'm a homophobe? I hope you can see the hypocrisy in that statement. I have nothing against a gay man being gay out in the world, I just don't want it present in my favourite game, again, in this I'm not alone.

Discussions about character development and writer's choices aside, if ME2 had a male/male romance option, and that really did bother you, then yes, you would be a homophobe.  If that option were in the game, I would tell you to suck it up and play it the way you want to and let others play it the way they want to, because nothing would force you to choose that option (unlike, say, a gay player's choices now).  If even thinking about that choice being in the game bothers you, then yes, you're about as homophobic as you can be.

I respect the wishes of the writers of this game.  If they decide they don't want a male Shepard to have a male romance option, that is their choice.  If their reasons for not including that choice are because they are afraid of backlash from homophobic gamers, then I would seriously hope that they think about that a little bit more before perpetuating and enabling hatred.

However, if their reasons are artistic or creative, and have to do with how they see a male Shepard character, then I have absolutely no problem with it.  It's their game, so it's their choice.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Chaos-fusion wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I play the game as a man because I am a man, not big into roleplaying as a female.

but tough luck to people who want to play as a gay because they are?

As harsh as it is for you guys, you are the small minority. and being in a minority group always has it's drawbacks. As has been previously stated, read the article. Big Ray tells it like it, for Bioware Shepherd is a defined character, there  are things he just won't be and won't do. We only tailor the experience they give us. Dragon Age is different as he said, because in that game your character is 100% tailored by you.

[JKoopman]

How does giving gays and lesbians the option of playing their Shepard as a gay or lesbian in any way diminish his heterosexual "manliness" in your playthrough? And doesn't the option of playing a female Shepard pretty much do that already anyway?

[JamesMoriarty123]

masanbol wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Without trying to feed the trolls or the flamers, If my opinion is that I don't want a gay option, I'm a homophobe? I hope you can see the hypocrisy in that statement. I have nothing against a gay man being gay out in the world, I just don't want it present in my favourite game, again, in this I'm not alone.

However, if their reasons are artistic or creative, and have to do with how they see a male Shepard character, then I have absolutely no problem with it.  It's their game, so it's their choice.

Read the article. their reasons seem to be creative. Shep is a defined character. When you're agruing from a minority standpoint that gay gamers have to just "put up with it" well, yes, they do. They're the minority. Concessions can not and should not be made EVERY time a gay/black/white/hispanic/martian person is unhappy. Anyway, the article seems clear so, no need for any further exposition.

[Chaos-fusion]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

As harsh as it is for you guys, you are the small minority. and being in a minority group always has it's drawbacks. As has been previously stated, read the article. Big Ray tells it like it, for Bioware Shepherd is a defined character, there  are things he just won't be and won't do. We only tailor the experience they give us. Dragon Age is different as he said, because in that game your character is 100% tailored by you.

Just to clarify, I'm not gay. I'm not even a guy. Not that it matters.

And hell, I know Sheperd is a defined character, because the idiot is plastered all over the marketing. But they give you a choice in everything else. That "there are things he just won't be and won't do" is not a valid arguement for me because in my case, I play as a woman. that's a much bigger thing than restricting men to only female options.

Modifié par Chaos-fusion, 07 février 2010 - 02:52 .

[Zack Ross]

Well I have nothing against being gay personally, but that's just me I suppose. I don't think the Gay Community from Mass Effect is whining per-say as much as they strongly asking for some more options, like any straight person gets. All I've ever tried to point out are reasons why it won't happen from a creative stand point, and to be civil about it. Personally I could careless who Shepard has the option of romancing. I have one Shepard who hasn't romanced anyone in ME1 or ME2. That's just how tired of the romance feature I've grown.

[masanbol]

Like I said, if it's for creative or artistic reasons, I have no problem with it. Would I like to see it in the game? Sure. But it's not my game.



You, however, are so obviously and hilariously hung up on your fear of gay people that you are trolling an internet forum. Wake up, kid, it's 2010.

[rabidhanar]

I say go to town on the options. Hell what you as a person decide upon is based upon your personal arguement/judgement. If a gay person wants a gay romance because that is his/her personal choice than they should be able to. A person is not FORCED to decide upon that sexual orientation. Letting the gay people be happy and have their own personal relationship in game will in no way affect you. If you don't want to choose that option, its your choice.

Modifié par rabidhanar, 07 février 2010 - 02:53 .

[Killian Kalthorne]

Personally, I wouldn't mind an omnisexual Shepherd. After all he is a modern 22nd century guy. Those who do not know what the term omnisexual means you need to read up on Captain Jack Harkness from the Doctor WHo/Torchwood series. If Shepherd was written like Jack Mass Effect would have been a hell of more fun.

[JamesMoriarty123]

Like I said, I won't respond to trolling insultive posts masanbol. I don't fear gay people, that's just...rediculous, I just don't want to see Bioware be forced into something by a bunch of whiners...and it looks like they won't so, this discussion is pretty much over for me.

[Melchiah109]

This thread delivers.



Reminds me of the Venezuelan guys saying Mercenaries 2 was trying to drum up support for invasion and assassination of their leader. Bioware is clearly a tyrant against gay rights.

[Stofsk]

Yeah it's rubbish to not allow it. I wouldn't play my Shepard as a gay character, but I don't see the logic in not allowing anyone else that freedom of choice. They let us choose just about everything else about Shepard and even let us personalise his appearance (not everyone wants their Shepard to look like Mark Vanderloo). So much for Shepard being 'defined'.



The 'logic' behind the different narrative styles between DA:O and ME is specious. A lot of things about Shepard are already defined, but a lot are also up in the air and decided by the player, and that includes his or her interpersonal relationships. He or she can have a heterosexual relationship or a xenosexual one, but not homosexual? So, what's the logic behind that one? It's ok to have sex with aliens but not ok with the same sex?

[danabe]

Images wrote...

Can we just lock this flamebait down?

What a douche.

Funny. As soon as a topic like this pops up it's supposed to be locked and forgotten. But the million of pro-gay shepard is totally fine!

As usal. It's fine to be pro something but sooo bad to be against something. *sigh*

[bjdbwea]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Big Ray tells it like it, for Bioware Shepherd is a defined character, there are things he just won't be and won't do.

Yeah, and previously I thought that would include mating with ugly fishes. Why is that in-character, but being gay is not? That contradiction needs some explanation for sure. Not that I'd "need" it to be in the game, wouldn't play a gay PC (but I support the option - with characters where it makes sense).

Modifié par bjdbwea, 07 février 2010 - 03:00 .

[sos986]

homosexuals already have two bisexual characters in this series. one of them is romance-able. why don't you rally behind the asari? im fine with shepard being homosexual, you can make up whatever back story you want; just work being lonely into it. unrequainted love is a normal feeling for homosexuals isnt it?

[masanbol]

danabe wrote...

Funny. As soon as a topic like this pops up it's supposed to be locked and forgotten. But the million of pro-gay shepard is totally fine!

As usal. It's fine to be pro something but sooo bad to be against something. *sigh*

Oh god, the irony, it kills me.  It must be so hard to be a homophobe, I really feel for you.

[Zack Ross]

Chaos-fusion wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

As harsh as it is for you guys, you are the small minority. and being in a minority group always has it's drawbacks. As has been previously stated, read the article. Big Ray tells it like it, for Bioware Shepherd is a defined character, there  are things he just won't be and won't do. We only tailor the experience they give us. Dragon Age is different as he said, because in that game your character is 100% tailored by you.

Just to clarify, I'm not gay. I'm not even a guy. Not that it matters.

And hell, I know Sheperd is a defined character, because the idiot is plastered all over the marketing. But they give you a choice in everything else. That "there are things he just won't be and won't do" is not a valid arguement for me because in my case, I play as a woman. that's a much bigger thing than restricting men to only female options.

You know whats sad? When they make a Mass Effect movie, which they are already talking about, Shepard will be male, straight, and probably the War Hero background, with little to no renegade choices thrown into the movie. There will be a bloody "canon" storyline for him, and it will be quite a sad day indeed O.o But hey thats okay right, its not like they don't ALREADY exploit our video games for cheap box office thrills and easy cash. <_<

[danabe]

masanbol wrote...

danabe wrote...

Funny. As soon as a topic like this pops up it's supposed to be locked and forgotten. But the million of pro-gay shepard is totally fine!

As usal. It's fine to be pro something but sooo bad to be against something. *sigh*

Oh god, the irony, it kills me.  It must be so hard to be a homophobe, I really feel for you.

Wow! I never saw that one comeing! Just becuse i said that i feel like it's ok to keep this topic up i am a homophobe!! Hah! You sir. Are pathetic.

[Darkest Dreamer]

Man on man romance would only hurt the overall image of Shepherd as an icon, whether the gay community argues this point or not.

Some people have such an odd perception. So Shepard can't be gay because it might "hurt" his/her image?

Funny, I thought sacrificing the council would do this, or punching a scientist to help them relax, or joining an organisation with a history of sentient experimentation, or drinking alcohol, or romancing aliens, or watching semi-nude dancers, or accepting bribes, or chooosing to save an industry over a colony. Hey Shepard, feel free to kill, torture, sex up aliens, or blackmail as many people as you want but god forbid you be gay, that might just ruin your image and iconic status!

I'd prefer if Bioware simply stated that it made their writers uncomfortable than listen to some of the nonsensical excuses made by fans.

Modifié par Darkest Dreamer, 07 février 2010 - 03:05 .

[Homebound]

I feel that to some degree, all this romance sub-plot threads would only diminish the characters as we know them if any of them succeeded.

[rabidhanar]

If it makes the devs feel uncomfortable, than they should still do it. Shoot, just because it makes you personally uncomfortable doesn't mean it should never be implemented. If it really is that uncomfortable to them, get some people who don't really care/don't feel uncomfortable about it. Options are always good, regardless of personal preference.

[JamesMoriarty123]

danabe wrote...

masanbol wrote...

danabe wrote...

Funny. As soon as a topic like this pops up it's supposed to be locked and forgotten. But the million of pro-gay shepard is totally fine!

As usal. It's fine to be pro something but sooo bad to be against something. *sigh*

Oh god, the irony, it kills me.  It must be so hard to be a homophobe, I really feel for you.

Wow! I never saw that one comeing! Just becuse i said that i feel like it's ok to keep this topic up i am a homophobe!! Hah! You sir. Are pathetic.

I agree, I simply don't feed these accusations. If you dont WANT gay scenes in your game you are automatically a homophobe it seems. Don't feed the trolls danabe, first rule on dealing with sensitive material like this.

[yhibiki]

HEY GUYZ, while we're on the subject of choices that shouldn't be allowed, I'm not cool with people being allowed to play as a fem!Shepard. Shepard is obviously a dude. A very manly dude. So it makes no sense for some people to choose to play as a fem!Shep for whatever reason.



Bioware, please stop catering to those silly gamers who think role-playing games should allow you to role-play.