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[KnightofPhoenix]

Bio Addict wrote...

I like turtles...

Win. We need turtle romance.

[Kreid]

d4m1an wrote...

Perhaps gay men cannot save humanity?

First, there is an obvious marketing issue about the image of iconic MALE commander Shepard as Bioware wants to portray him into the media (as a James T. Kirk ladies man archetype) and the notion of homosexuality.
If you want to get to the root of the "problem" here it is, male Shepard is intended to be an stereotypical action hero and that hardly computes with the image of an homosexual/bisexual character (blame Arnold Schwarzenegger, Silvester Stallone or even William Shatner and the movies/series/media the appeared in if you want, for establishing the stereotype in the first place)
I do not want an M/M option to be included in ME3 but because making Shepard suddenly interested in males after all this time is forced and immersion breaking, it has little to do with my self confidence on my own sexuality.

[Endurance_117]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

euh... no it won't matter to you if you're straight unless you're that insecure. So they'd have to be selfish for all those insecure? There WAS gay romance is DAO.

What game is this again?

<_< I was merely reffering to the fact that having gay romance in DAO wasn't "selfish" and it wouldn't be more the case in ME. Seriously, if you're trying to prove yourself to not be an homophbe, you've failed miserably.That is pure immaturity and intolerance. I don't care about gay romance though I'm certain there will be none, I just happen to have a functionning brain which enables me to have logic and sensical thoughts and just a small bit of maturity. Trying to run away by changing subject is just a proof of my point, you're not showing yourself as someone especially intelligent for such "reasoning"

LOL, haha oh wow. Cool story bro.

Yep I'm a homophobe, I hate all gay people. 

[ReDSH1FT]

diskoh wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Indeed, last page or two, people just arguing and baiting up for the flamewar. I won't be a part of it. Pages 1-6 are pretty much the whole argument summed up. No need for further discussion.

If you don't want to be a part of it why do you keep posting on every single page? Because when you keep posting this same thing over and over you just look like a troll. (as if it's not obvious the thread was a troll to begin with)

Yes yes, when someone threatens to take down your ****** fantasy realm based in a fantasy universe, they're trolls.  Yawn, homos have no proper counter for the narrative point of view that I stated yesterday, that people have stated in here, and that Dr. Muzyka stated.

I like how you said "figures" when I said I play Modern Warfare 2, as if it's some detrimental game.  I bet you show the same scorn to people that play sports or go clubbing / partying.  You seem like that kind of nerd to me.

[Evil Johnny 666]

Creid-X wrote...

d4m1an wrote...

Perhaps gay men cannot save humanity?

First, there is an obvious marketing issue about the image of iconic MALE commander Shepard as Bioware wants to portray him into the media (as a James T. Kirk ladies man archetype) and the notion of homosexuality.
If you want to get to the root of the "problem" here it is, male Shepard is intended to be an stereotypical action hero and that hardly computes with the image of an homosexual/bisexual character (blame Arnold Schwarzenegger, Silvester Stallone or even William Shatner and the movies/series/media the appeared in if you want, for establishing the stereotype in the first place)
I do not want an M/M option to be included in ME3 but because making Shepard suddenly interested in males after all this time is forced and immersion breaking, it has little to do with my self confidence on my own sexuality.

I will state again that I don't care about gay romance and only that it would make no sense in ME3, but that's not a good reason. He would not turn up gay if you don't make him gay, pure and simple.

[maladosteo]

 How bout whining straights?

Just sayin

[diskoh]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Yes yes, when someone
threatens to take down your ****** fantasy realm based in a fantasy
universe, they're trolls.  Yawn, homos have no proper counter for the
narrative point of view that I stated yesterday, that people have
stated in here, and that Dr. Muzyka stated.

I like how you said
"figures" when I said I play Modern Warfare 2, as if it's some
detrimental game.  I bet you show the same scorn to people that play
sports or go clubbing / partying.  You seem like that kind of nerd to
me.

Holy crap you have a lot of rage in you.

News at 11: Internet poster ReDSH1FT has been arrested for the murder of a gay man after being told that a character in one of his video games may be bisexual.

Modifié par diskoh, 07 février 2010 - 05:09 .

[DigitalLiquid I]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

diskoh wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Indeed, last page or two, people just arguing and baiting up for the flamewar. I won't be a part of it. Pages 1-6 are pretty much the whole argument summed up. No need for further discussion.

If you don't want to be a part of it why do you keep posting on every single page? Because when you keep posting this same thing over and over you just look like a troll. (as if it's not obvious the thread was a troll to begin with)

Yes yes, when someone threatens to take down your ****** fantasy realm based in a fantasy universe, they're trolls.  Yawn, homos have no proper counter for the narrative point of view that I stated yesterday, that people have stated in here, and that Dr. Muzyka stated.

I like how you said "figures" when I said I play Modern Warfare 2, as if it's some detrimental game.  I bet you show the same scorn to people that play sports or go clubbing / partying.  You seem like that kind of nerd to me.

Clearly you are the ipitomy of manly perfection.

[Evil Johnny 666]

Endurance_117 wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

euh... no it won't matter to you if you're straight unless you're that insecure. So they'd have to be selfish for all those insecure? There WAS gay romance is DAO.

What game is this again?

<_< I was merely reffering to the fact that having gay romance in DAO wasn't "selfish" and it wouldn't be more the case in ME. Seriously, if you're trying to prove yourself to not be an homophbe, you've failed miserably.That is pure immaturity and intolerance. I don't care about gay romance though I'm certain there will be none, I just happen to have a functionning brain which enables me to have logic and sensical thoughts and just a small bit of maturity. Trying to run away by changing subject is just a proof of my point, you're not showing yourself as someone especially intelligent for such "reasoning"

LOL, haha oh wow. Cool story bro.

Yep I'm a homophobe, I hate all gay people. 

Then show it. I'm not the type of guy to shout homophobe to everyone saying bad things about gays, but being like: "I don't even want the choice, I don't ****ing want to inadvertently (as if you were half asleep playing the game) start (which you could end easily) a gay romance" is extremely homophobic no matter what you try to say.

[ReDSH1FT]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

d4m1an wrote...

Perhaps gay men cannot save humanity?

First, there is an obvious marketing issue about the image of iconic MALE commander Shepard as Bioware wants to portray him into the media (as a James T. Kirk ladies man archetype) and the notion of homosexuality.
If you want to get to the root of the "problem" here it is, male Shepard is intended to be an stereotypical action hero and that hardly computes with the image of an homosexual/bisexual character (blame Arnold Schwarzenegger, Silvester Stallone or even William Shatner and the movies/series/media the appeared in if you want, for establishing the stereotype in the first place)
I do not want an M/M option to be included in ME3 but because making Shepard suddenly interested in males after all this time is forced and immersion breaking, it has little to do with my self confidence on my own sexuality.

I will state again that I don't care about gay romance and only that it would make no sense in ME3, but that's not a good reason. He would not turn up gay if you don't make him gay, pure and simple.

It is a good reason, and you saying this only proves you have no understanding of what it means to make an iconic character, how universes and narratives are built, and shows your uncaring attitude towards the future of the franchise.

[Endurance_117]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Endurance_117 wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

euh... no it won't matter to you if you're straight unless you're that insecure. So they'd have to be selfish for all those insecure? There WAS gay romance is DAO.

What game is this again?

<_< I was merely reffering to the fact that having gay romance in DAO wasn't "selfish" and it wouldn't be more the case in ME. Seriously, if you're trying to prove yourself to not be an homophbe, you've failed miserably.That is pure immaturity and intolerance. I don't care about gay romance though I'm certain there will be none, I just happen to have a functionning brain which enables me to have logic and sensical thoughts and just a small bit of maturity. Trying to run away by changing subject is just a proof of my point, you're not showing yourself as someone especially intelligent for such "reasoning"

LOL, haha oh wow. Cool story bro.

Yep I'm a homophobe, I hate all gay people. 

Then show it. I'm not the type of guy to shout homophobe to everyone saying bad things about gays, but being like: "I don't even want the choice, I don't ****ing want to inadvertently (as if you were half asleep playing the game) start (which you could end easily) a gay romance" is extremely homophobic no matter what you try to say.

Show me the quote where I said this please

[Rixxencaxx]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Just a quick post to thank Bioware for not caving in to the small, whining gay community across the first 2 games. Here's hoping you make a stellar 3rd installment.
Man on man romance would only hurt the overall image of Shepherd as an icon, whether the gay community argues this point or not.

What's more ludicrous is that they seem to want every male in the game to date to be suddenly romanceable as a gay man...it's rediculous. For example, the very first time you pursue some dialogue with Kaiden in ME1, without even going anywhere near flirtaceous behaviour, not only does he mention Liara in a sexual context, but also recalls a lost love on Jump Zero. Kaiden is straight, that's how it is. If Bioware were to change him now, gross error.
Not to mention Thane, he has a family, if you explored his backstory you can just feel the love he had for his wife coming through the damn screen at you.
There is a minority argument that "Oh, they can be Bi then...", to that I say, don't talk so baldy headed. Clearly it would break the immersion. Not romanceable in ME1, not romanceable in ME2, see the trend? The are iconic characters with established backstories, to change them would damage the game immessurably.

Ever since the first ME came out theres been "Gaymance" threads, and thankfully none of them have had the weight to influence a decision, and I for one am thankful for that. Keep gay sex away from our beloved characters please, the argument for it is baseless, you gay guys represent an extremely small portion of the ME community and over 3 years you have made your point. Now's the time to just stop it.

All of the arguments the gay community come up with are weak as it is. "Oh, we should have the choice!" as if it's a God given right? Be happy you were born in such a tolerant century as it is. It's just irritating that all these people are just pestering Bioware when no one except like a couple hundred people give's a toss...let Bioware focus on making a better game, not devoting time and resources to pander to an extremely small portion of the community.

a gay shepard will hurt the overall image of shepard as an icon...
i'm sure that you are aware that a female shepard has gay romance options in ME2....

[grimeyhippy]

if you want to have sex with men in a game then play as a woman

[diskoh]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

a gay shepard will hurt the overall image of shepard as an icon...

How so?

[Kreid]

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

d4m1an wrote...

Perhaps gay men cannot save humanity?

First, there is an obvious marketing issue about the image of iconic MALE commander Shepard as Bioware wants to portray him into the media (as a James T. Kirk ladies man archetype) and the notion of homosexuality.
If you want to get to the root of the "problem" here it is, male Shepard is intended to be an stereotypical action hero and that hardly computes with the image of an homosexual/bisexual character (blame Arnold Schwarzenegger, Silvester Stallone or even William Shatner and the movies/series/media the appeared in if you want, for establishing the stereotype in the first place)
I do not want an M/M option to be included in ME3 but because making Shepard suddenly interested in males after all this time is forced and immersion breaking, it has little to do with my self confidence on my own sexuality.

I will state again that I don't care about gay romance and only that it would make no sense in ME3, but that's not a good reason. He would not turn up gay if you don't make him gay, pure and simple.

Please, read the article again, male Shepard is a third person character, even if you can shape traces of his personality through choice there are some bases that can't be moved, him being heterosexual is one of them.
-He has consistently presented as heterosexual by the developers giving you only the chance to romance girls.
-Garrus comments on how all girls hit on Shepard and he laughs confidently.
-Out of a casual convo he makes an obvious move on Samara.
-He is compared to "ultimate ladies man" James T. kirk by the developers themselves.
-He show zero/0/nada of interest in males in both ME1 and ME2
Making him suddenly interested in males would significantly alter his established persona and character and would feel forced and immersion breaking to many people, if you are ok with this, maybe we should alter the Reaper's characters significantly as well and make them space fairies that want to give lollipops to all orgaic races. 

[DigitalLiquid I]

grimeyhippy wrote...

if you want to have sex with men in a game then play as a woman

Your posts in this thread so far would indicate you are missing the point entirely.

[Pocketgb]

Aratham Darksight wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

I agree, I simply don't feed these accusations. If you dont WANT gay scenes in your game you are automatically a homophobe it seems. Don't feed the trolls danabe, first rule on dealing with sensitive material like this.

Yeah and if you don't WANT human interracial relationships in your game and ask for a toggle in the main menu to turn off all black people in the game, everyone jumps down your throats and accuses you of being racist. People are so mean.

I know it's a few pages old but I just had to quote this epic post.

[The Real Him]

If there is to be a gay shepard, please let him romance Wrex or Grunt.



Hmm, Grunt !



And no cut romance scene please.





Mouhaha XD

[Evil Johnny 666]

ReDSH1FT wrote...

Evil Johnny 666 wrote...

Creid-X wrote...

d4m1an wrote...

Perhaps gay men cannot save humanity?

First, there is an obvious marketing issue about the image of iconic MALE commander Shepard as Bioware wants to portray him into the media (as a James T. Kirk ladies man archetype) and the notion of homosexuality.
If you want to get to the root of the "problem" here it is, male Shepard is intended to be an stereotypical action hero and that hardly computes with the image of an homosexual/bisexual character (blame Arnold Schwarzenegger, Silvester Stallone or even William Shatner and the movies/series/media the appeared in if you want, for establishing the stereotype in the first place)
I do not want an M/M option to be included in ME3 but because making Shepard suddenly interested in males after all this time is forced and immersion breaking, it has little to do with my self confidence on my own sexuality.

I will state again that I don't care about gay romance and only that it would make no sense in ME3, but that's not a good reason. He would not turn up gay if you don't make him gay, pure and simple.

It is a good reason, and you saying this only proves you have no understanding of what it means to make an iconic character, how universes and narratives are built, and shows your uncaring attitude towards the future of the franchise.

An iconic character doesn't have to be straight. Did you remember the times where iconic characters were only males? What did they do afterwards? Ripley, Lara Croft, the girl in Resident Evil. Women can now be iconic characters and next thing you know, there WILL be gay iconic characters, Shepard could have been one of them if they wished.

[grimeyhippy]

it would be like if they made a star wars movie where han solo and luke skywalker started making out

[grimeyhippy]

DigitalLiquid I wrote...

grimeyhippy wrote...

if you want to have sex with men in a game then play as a woman

Your posts in this thread so far would indicate you are missing the point entirely.

I dont think you have a point

[DigitalLiquid I]

grimeyhippy wrote...

it would be like if they made a star wars movie where han solo and luke skywalker started making out

Christ, you're still missing the point here.

Modifié par DigitalLiquid I, 07 février 2010 - 05:17 .

[Orogenic]

The complete lack of action by Bioware against those guilty of hateful speech amounts to tacit approval.



Before I get banned for demanding basic human decency, I urge everyone here to take screenshots, logs,and whatever else you have available and send them to whatever media outlet you have connections with (got a cousin that works at the Washintong Post? Awesome : )



Complete lack of action by a company like Bioware/ EA against hateful speech demonstrated here is pathetic. I guess it is possible that these organizations actually SUPPORT discrimination and hate against certain minority groups.. it doesn't seem likely, but with each passing hour that these criminal idiots are allowed to spread their vitriolic garbage my doubt gets bigger...



My only (faint) hope is that the forum moderators have been on vacation for the past two days and haven't seen the blatant violations of their own rules in these "Hate" threads.

[Evil Johnny 666]

DigitalLiquid I wrote...

grimeyhippy wrote...

it would be like if they made a star wars movie where han solo and luke skywalker started making out

Christ, you're still missing the point here.

Videogame forums FTW!!

[Khavos]

grimeyhippy wrote...

it would be like if they made a star wars movie where han solo and luke skywalker started making out

Much better to have a Star Wars movie where Luke Skywalker makes out with his sister, right?