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[KelaSaar]

I really hope they don't just sideline all of your ME2 squadmates because they can die. I worked really hard to get everyone to survive, and it will make the whole game seem pretty pointless if that doesn't actually matter. I want my Shepard to face down the Reapers with people that are important to her, like Garrus and Tali, and not some random people she just met.

[DeeKay17]

people, you are missing the major problem - Shepard dies! well, at least for some players. don't tell me that Cerberus is going to resurrect him, especially after he disobeyed the Illusive Man and blew up Collector's base, if he did it. so we have to worry who is going to be a playable character in ME3. i just hope it is not Joker. he is fun to listen to, but he has his leg problems. cannot run fast enough. but he could get cured...

back to what you guys said, since Liara is the only character that survives for sure, she will be in ME3, and together you will be hunting the shadow broker down and fight Tazzik, a salarian from Mass Effect Redemption comics, for those of you who do not know. if he dies in #3 or 4, then it's just hunting.

the, depending on who survived Virmire in ME1, either Alenko or Wlliams, that character also will be in the game. the rest of the 'cast', if they survived, will be in ME3 but only as not recruitable characters. too bad. i really liked all of them. except Zaeed.

[EDarkness]

DeeKay17 wrote...

people, you are missing the major problem - Shepard dies! well, at least for some players. don't tell me that Cerberus is going to resurrect him, especially after he disobeyed the Illusive Man and blew up Collector's base, if he did it. so we have to worry who is going to be a playable character in ME3. i just hope it is not Joker. he is fun to listen to, but he has his leg problems. cannot run fast enough. but he could get cured...
back to what you guys said, since Liara is the only character that survives for sure, she will be in ME3, and together you will be hunting the shadow broker down and fight Tazzik, a salarian from Mass Effect Redemption comics, for those of you who do not know. if he dies in #3 or 4, then it's just hunting.
the, depending on who survived Virmire in ME1, either Alenko or Wlliams, that character also will be in the game. the rest of the 'cast', if they survived, will be in ME3 but only as not recruitable characters. too bad. i really liked all of them. except Zaeed.

I don't think that matters since you can't bring over a save with Shepard dead.  The only real issue deals with squadmates.

[SnakeStrike8]

I agree. I can't possibly imagine how Bioware's going to address the issue of who made it out of ME 2 and program all that into ME 3. I mean, we're talking entire characters with all that goes into them: Voice acting, animation, everything. Not everyone here kept Thane alive and there's no way Bioware can predict that in ME 3.

I still have nightmares about Bioware taking the easy way out: They just won't make ME 3. Ever.

[1Parmenides]

in ME3, Shepard will go by herself into the unkown to fight the reapers alone, just like Revan went on to fight the sith alone.



This way we don't have to bother with the council again... and we don't have to tie up loose ends with TIM and cerberus. Whatever happened at the milky way, stays in the milky way.

[SmokePants]

For the billionth time: Sheperd doesn't die, your ability to transfer that save to ME3 does. They've said that since E3 and people still haven't caught on.

When ME2 ended, there was no immediate threat for the team to investigate. They're in stand-by mode, twiddling their thumbs, waiting for something to happen. There is going to be plenty of opportunity for everyone to go their separate ways. Not to mention, they were assembled for the Suicide mission in the first place. And now it's over.

ME3 is going to be a BioWare game. It's going to be a new mission, a new set of circumstances, and a new team. It's not going to be an expansion pack to ME2, as many of you seem to imagine.

Just look at all the uncertain characters that appeared in ME2. On average, you got a handful of lines each. Now you guys are expecting BioWare to somehow take characters with high levels of uncertainty and make them full party members with their own side missions? Be realistic. They're game developers, not magicians.

Modifié par SmokePants, 08 février 2010 - 04:10 .

[DeeKay17]

EDarkness wrote...

DeeKay17 wrote...

people, you are missing the major problem - Shepard dies! well, at least for some players. don't tell me that Cerberus is going to resurrect him, especially after he disobeyed the Illusive Man and blew up Collector's base, if he did it. so we have to worry who is going to be a playable character in ME3. i just hope it is not Joker. he is fun to listen to, but he has his leg problems. cannot run fast enough. but he could get cured...
back to what you guys said, since Liara is the only character that survives for sure, she will be in ME3, and together you will be hunting the shadow broker down and fight Tazzik, a salarian from Mass Effect Redemption comics, for those of you who do not know. if he dies in #3 or 4, then it's just hunting.
the, depending on who survived Virmire in ME1, either Alenko or Wlliams, that character also will be in the game. the rest of the 'cast', if they survived, will be in ME3 but only as not recruitable characters. too bad. i really liked all of them. except Zaeed.

I don't think that matters since you can't bring over a save with Shepard dead.  The only real issue deals with squadmates.

who said you cannot do it? it is the same save that contains the outcome of the squad as well as Shepard.

Modifié par DeeKay17, 08 février 2010 - 04:10 .

[Kenshen]

-ßeta- wrote...

I would love to have all my squad mates in ME3 but it is somewhat hard to believe. Thane is dying, Mordin is quite old (according to ME2 site he is 50, Salarians have avg. 40 yrs i think), Zaeed will probably run off for more money, Samara will go back to Asari space and Grunt may go back to Tuchanka. Miranda probably would go back to doing jobs for Illusive Man, but maybe Jacob will stay with Shepard, not sure with him. Garrus will stay with Shepard definitely and probably Tali too if she was exiled. Jack may start wondering, Legion might return to the geth, Morinth will go back to murdering (I havent actually had her yet but it seems most likely).

Of course I could be entirely wrong and they all stay together like one big happy family fighting the reapers. I hope so at least.

I guess that is part of the problem cause at the end of both of my games (paragon) Miranda quits so she won't be reporting to TIM.  I can see Legion staying on cause the reapers are as much a threat to the geth as everyone else.  I guess the question is how much of the ME2 story will carry over.  Again in both of my games at the end you see Tali and Legion sharing non critical info.  Based off my games it wouldn't surprise me if she became a champion of peace between her people and the geth.  Grunt lives to fight and the biggest fight yet is coming so I don't see him leaving.  Jack I am not sure about least from what I have seen so far.  In my game it wouldn't surprise me if she is gone for good...well she is one of them but that is a different story.  Just so many possiblities I am glad it isn't my job to figure out how to make it all work.

[Lvl20DM]

I'm currently assuming that none of the ME 2 squad will return as squad-mates. Any that survive will certainly be in the next game, but I just don't see them creating so much content for characters that could be dead. I'd like it if they could figure out a way to include Garrus and Tali as squad-mates, because those two have been though a lot with Shep at that point.



I don't think the next game will be structured at all like this one. You won't be recruiting a new squad for a new suicide mission. It will probably be more like the first game - you'll pick up allies as you progress through the story (in ME 2 recruiting is the story). We might even have less squad-mates this time around - this would make sense if the focus of the game shifted off or your squad and onto the main story.



If the game takes place far enough in the future, any and all characters could have moved on. Some fun, baseless speculation:



Tali - becomes an Admiral, replacing her father

Garrus - Joins the Specters or a similar organization.

Thane - passes away.

Samara - continues her wandering justicar existence

Grunt - Joins Clan Urdnot on Tuchanka

Legion - returns to Geth homeworld.

Jack - goes back into the galactic community for better or for worse.

Mordin - returns to Salarian homeworld, the Citadel, or even Tuchanka

Miranda - this will vary depending upon what you do with the Collector base

Jacob - ?, No longer Alliance and probably not Cerberus, they could do lots with this character.

Any DLC character is likely to simply return to what they were doing.



I think that Liara and Ashley/Kaiden will be squad-members. I'd like to see an Elcor join your crew or your squad (not sure how'd they'd implement that though).

[Dhraconus]

I have a feeling ME3 is not going to be following the same format as ME1 or ME2.  I have a feeling ME3 is going to be about building a ARMY, not a squad.  I'm sure you'll have a squad, probably with a few familiar faces and a few new ones. But consider the following speculations:

ME1 save the Rachni - Rachni army yes/no

ME1 save Wrex - Krogan allies + ME2 Mordin's loyalty quest - Cure Genophage, bigger Krogan army

ME2 Grunt's quest - Whether Krogan accept test-tube babies as Krogan or not (implications for Krogan strength)

ME1 Save/kill council - How willing/capable the Salarians, Turians and Asari are to help you. (also Garrus maybe?)

ME2 Legion's loyalty quest (and whether Legion joins) - How powerful Geth are and whether they help you

ME2 Tali's loyalty quest - Whether Quarians help or not, also whether they make peace or go to war with Geth determining strength of both sides.

ME2 Aria + ME1 Helena - I have a feeling the criminal element may be of assistance (Zaeed may have some links here, as well as this alledged "thief")

ME2 + possibly some of ME1 - Whether Cerberus likes/hates you (possible connections with Miranda and Jacob)

And there are many other choices littered throughout ME1 and ME2 that if you think about it from the perspective of an entire race joining it seems less problematic whether a character dies.  It also fits with the claims of possibly being punished in ME3.  Of course there is probably a "humanity stands alone and wins because their just so UBER" path.

Not really sure how Thane, Samara/Morinth, or Jack, but there's to be quite a bit of consensus that they're likely to disappear.

To the OP's concerns I wouldn't be surprised if the squad is some old, some new and some of the old are only optional.  As has already been stated, virtually everyone will have a save file with everyone alive (at least those who wanted the achievement, quite possibly why the achievement is there?) so everyone will likely experience the content, hence no wasted programming time.  Besides the selling point of the trilogy is "Your choices matter" so reneging on that claim would go poorly for Bioware.  Their claim pretty much requires that they write parts of the game that not everyone will see.

[DeeKay17]

EDarkness wrote...

DeeKay17 wrote...

people, you are missing the major problem - Shepard dies! well, at least for some players. don't tell me that Cerberus is going to resurrect him, especially after he disobeyed the Illusive Man and blew up Collector's base, if he did it. so we have to worry who is going to be a playable character in ME3. i just hope it is not Joker. he is fun to listen to, but he has his leg problems. cannot run fast enough. but he could get cured...
back to what you guys said, since Liara is the only character that survives for sure, she will be in ME3, and together you will be hunting the shadow broker down and fight Tazzik, a salarian from Mass Effect Redemption comics, for those of you who do not know. if he dies in #3 or 4, then it's just hunting.
the, depending on who survived Virmire in ME1, either Alenko or Wlliams, that character also will be in the game. the rest of the 'cast', if they survived, will be in ME3 but only as not recruitable characters. too bad. i really liked all of them. except Zaeed.

I don't think that matters since you can't bring over a save with Shepard dead.  The only real issue deals with squadmates.

yep, you were right. cannot transfer saves with dead Shepard. kinda sucky, though. would make more sense if we could finish the trilogy even after commander dies.

[Jeremy Winston]

How? If Shepard is dead, who do you play?

[Melra]

You don't play, if Shepard is dead. Your Shepard being dead in a save = you can't import that save to ME3 and have to import a save with living Shepard or start over.

Just read the: http://uk.xbox360.ig.../1067323p1.html

Modifié par Melrache, 08 février 2010 - 03:36 .

[Jeremy Winston]

Sorry.. I know that. I was asking DeeKay17, as he seemed to want the ability to complete the trilogy even "after the commander dies."

[TheShady]

Just look at how things were handled with savegame-continuity from the jump between ME1 and ME2. Everything that's a variable plays a minor role: Council: one meeting, Ashley/Kaidan: one meeting + a little mentioning, Udina or Anderson: only Anderson available, 5-6 conversation options, all the minor sidequest decisions: an email or one conversation at best, Wrex: one meeting



I do not expect any of the squadmates from ME2 to play any major role besides being mentioned or having just one meeting with them simply because they are all capable of being dead. Whether you saved them in your game doesn't matter.

[Clumsy Ninja]

I predict 2 brief emails stating, "Hey, Thane is dead, and Samara is running a B&B on Illium"... nothing more. Zaeed won't get an email, I'm guessing, since not everyone played with him... but it's possible. Should read something like, "Hey Shepard... RE: {insert player choice} on my loyalty mission, Screw/Thank you."

[Jeremy Winston]

Well.. it's Act 2, which is responsible for making the issues in Act 1 even worse. It's preparation for Act 3. Also, since so much is under the player's control, they can't allow the stories to diverge too much, or ME3 would be impossible to create.



Many of the ME1 decisions may come into play in ME3.



Personally, I think Wrex got a lot of love. You had some real interactions with him and received some more development. The LIs were all ignored, Tali and Garrus joined you, so Wrex was the last ME1 squad mate. I find it interesting that they provided a possibility for a real difference regarding the Krogens in ME3 based on Wrex surviving.

[TyDurden13]

Casey Hudson on ME3: "I think the biggest thing is first of all the resolution of all the plots, all the decisions players have made throughout. Being able to play and experience all the surviving cast members, all the characters people liked. That’s one big part of it." l(ink: http://ve3tro.com/72...dson-interview/)

Sounds to me like they're making bringing back the surviving cast members a priority.

Couple things to consider: First ME3 is likely to be plot-centric. Having a squad member will likely involve having them on your ship/base, a couple dialogue trees, and some incidental lines/chatter during the missions, and including them in a few animations for cut scenes - more like ME1 than 2. Think about if you removed say Garrus wrex or Tali from the Normandy in ME1. It's not like you would miss a chunk of the game. I don't think we're going to be running around solving their personal crises when we're preparing for the I war against the reapers.

Also, the "default" setting for new ME players or people not importing could see mos of the characters be alive. And they can set different defaults for Male and FemSheps (as they did with Kaiden/Liara), so they won't be dedicating resources to something the "majority of players won't see").

Also, they have less work to do on building/tweaking the engine and resources for ME3, which means more time to focus on the story and building all the branching paths from your previous decisions.

Finally, who knows what the structure of ME3 will be? They can build it in a way where you're with your old crew for a portion, or meet up with different squad members at different times. I am hopeful they will figure out a satisfying way to include everyone.

[epoch_]

Lvl20DM wrote...

I'm currently assuming that none of the ME 2 squad will return as squad-mates. Any that survive will certainly be in the next game, but I just don't see them creating so much content for characters that could be dead. I'd like it if they could figure out a way to include Garrus and Tali as squad-mates, because those two have been though a lot with Shep at that point.

I don't think the next game will be structured at all like this one. You won't be recruiting a new squad for a new suicide mission. It will probably be more like the first game - you'll pick up allies as you progress through the story (in ME 2 recruiting is the story). We might even have less squad-mates this time around - this would make sense if the focus of the game shifted off or your squad and onto the main story.

If the game takes place far enough in the future, any and all characters could have moved on. Some fun, baseless speculation:

Tali - becomes an Admiral, replacing her father
Garrus - Joins the Specters or a similar organization.
Thane - passes away.
Samara - continues her wandering justicar existence
Grunt - Joins Clan Urdnot on Tuchanka
Legion - returns to Geth homeworld.
Jack - goes back into the galactic community for better or for worse.
Mordin - returns to Salarian homeworld, the Citadel, or even Tuchanka
Miranda - this will vary depending upon what you do with the Collector base
Jacob - ?, No longer Alliance and probably not Cerberus, they could do lots with this character.
Any DLC character is likely to simply return to what they were doing.

I think that Liara and Ashley/Kaiden will be squad-members. I'd like to see an Elcor join your crew or your squad (not sure how'd they'd implement that though).

You're thinking way to much like ME3 will be ME2. Its not. They aren't going to be these extravagent missions for your squadmates. They just have to be in the game and given some dialogue. Thats hardly enough reason to cut them out of your squad.

But I also think Liara/Virmire survivor should be given big parts because they are the only ones guarenteed to be around.

[jacksmedula1]

Saskuatch wrote...

NoUserNameHere wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

I think the only people that should return in ME3 as squadmates are those that can be guaranteed not to die.  That way they can concentrate their resources on making the game really deep and developed.  Trying to write 12 or so people into the story that may not even be alive is a real waste of development time.  Everyone else gets a brief cameo if they are alive. 

Or how about they just punish the people that let their crew die by not having them be accessible in the third game.

Zaeed, Samara, and possibly Jack I could see moving on after the game. Thane and Mordin could be written out through death, if it came to that.

Everyone else should stay on in some capacity. I could maybe see them relegating Tali to working the engines instead of  a regular squadmate. Garrus would almost have to stay as a squaddie, unless you want him to callibrate those damn guns again.
Really, where would everyone else go? What more pressing concerns does, say, Jacob have to attend to? 

jacob has to go to awards show and interrupt peoples acceptance speeches duh

Lol

[cronshaw8]

Anyone know what the fewest number of surviving squadmates is that still gives you a living Shepard?

Is it one?

[TyDurden13]

cronshaw8 wrote...

Anyone know what the fewest number of surviving squadmates is that still gives you a living Shepard?
Is it one?

I believe it is indeed one, provided you don't recruit Zaeed.  Really hard to accomplish -  you pretty much have to try and get that outcome, but I think it's doable.

[Jeremy Winston]

I think, maybe, two. It's your final team that pulls you back in to the Normandy, right? Can you lose a single member in the last firefight? I've only every seen both survive or both die... maybe if one's loyal?



Or, if you lose both your squad mates in the final fight, but, your crew (and SM) gets back OK, do they help you?

[cronshaw8]

TyDurden13 wrote...

cronshaw8 wrote...

Anyone know what the fewest number of surviving squadmates is that still gives you a living Shepard?
Is it one?

I believe it is indeed one, provided you don't recruit Zaeed.  Really hard to accomplish -  you pretty much have to try and get that outcome, but I think it's doable.

I was curious because if it is one it does make Bioware's job a lot harder, but not impossible i think.
Those who loose a bunch of people just have a smaller squad, maybe 5 new characters for a total of what? 16.
With the overwhelming sucess of ME2, i think they will have the means to do it.

[TyDurden13]

Jeremy Winston wrote...

I think, maybe, two. It's your final team that pulls you back in to the Normandy, right? Can you lose a single member in the last firefight? I've only every seen both survive or both die... maybe if one's loyal?

Or, if you lose both your squad mates in the final fight, but, your crew (and SM) gets back OK, do they help you?

You just need one squadmate to survive the platform collapse and pull you up - I've tested that myself.  And your other squadmates don't have an affect on wether Shepard lives or dies - only the 2 that go with you to the final boss.  If one of the two is loyal and survives, they pull you up.