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Brahlis

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IGN: Will there be gay relationships for the male Shepard? Here at
IGN we've heard a lot of positive feedback from the inclusion of gay
relationships in Dragon Age; compare that with the somewhat conspicuous
absence of them from the first Mass Effect, especially with the chance
for a lesbian relationship.



Ray Muzyka:
Here's how the games are different: Dragon Age is
a first person narrative, where you're taking on an origin and a role,
and you are that character at a fundamental level. It's fundamentally
about defining your character, including those kinds of concepts. In
Mass Effect it's more a third person narrative, where you have a
pre-defined character who is who he is, or she is. But it's not a
wide-open choice matrix. It's more choice on a tactical level with a
pre-defined character. So they're different types of narratives, and
that's intentional.


We're not saying that one approach is better than the other. In our
previous games, as we did in Jade Empire, as we did in KOTOR, as we did
in Baldur's Gate,and many games before and in the future, we enable those kinds of
choices, whereas in Mass Effect it's more about Shepard as a defined
character with certain approaches and worldviews, and that's just who
he or she is. So we constrain the choice set somewhat, but enable more
tactical choices and enable a deeper, richer personality, because it's
more focused around defining one character, it's not as wide open. But
that's by choice.


It's first person versus third person narrative, and the types of
choices you get to make within that are related to that, whether you've
got a pre-defined character or a wide-open character. Some of our games
have been wide open, and some have been more constrained, and we'll
probably continue both kinds of character development in the future.

Modifié par Brahlis, 07 février 2010 - 05:14 .


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Don't care much about whether or not there are same-sex relationships in Mass Effect because I like to play FemShep anyway, but this sounds like a lame excuse.

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EA owns bioware now, that means no same sex relations anymore. They have to appeal to the largest possible audience, as its primary market is America, a nation where a large enough number of voters oppose gay marriage to keep it from happening, they have to appeal to their target audience.




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Source?

Also, disappointing to read. How do they explain that FemShep can be a lesbian or a bisexual, then? Even if they tried to push her back in the closet in ME2, that genie was already out of the bottle in ME1.

I'm wondering if the change of lead writer between ME1 and ME2 had something to do with this, not merely EA (who had no problems with Zevran)...

Modifié par Mox Ruuga, 07 février 2010 - 05:19 .


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Basically, this means that male Shepard doesn't have a gay option because "the devs said so". Femshep can be gay(Liara, Kelly, Morinth, Consort), but nooo, Maleshep can't be because the developers think he should be straight. That's still rather hypocritical.

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Archereon wrote...

EA owns bioware now, that means no same sex relations anymore. They have to appeal to the largest possible audience, as its primary market is America, a nation where a large enough number of voters oppose gay marriage to keep it from happening, they have to appeal to their target audience.


Explain Dragon Age then.

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Hmm, interesting response since it doesn't really address the interpretation that Female Shephard's can have "lesbian" relationships in ME1. Almost sounds like a marketing response, though I could agree with it in theory.

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That's a load of horse crap. This comes from the same people that place emphasis on ME being 'your' Shepard's story in their advertising.  I watched those Sci. vs. Fy spots and that's all they yammered on about.

Modifié par jlb524, 07 février 2010 - 05:21 .


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Guys it's not a conspiracy. It's not EA, and it's not spite from the devs. Look at Dragon Age for christ sakes they're not afraid to take some risks with this stuff.



Not every game has to have every option, they are allowed to have different stories.

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 I read that as well, Its disappointing as i really like tali (and so does my shepard :) ) and I just want them to live happily ever after :crying:

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Archereon wrote...

EA owns bioware now, that means no same sex relations anymore. They have to appeal to the largest possible audience, as its primary market is America, a nation where a large enough number of voters oppose gay marriage to keep it from happening, they have to appeal to their target audience.


I think this is the one true bad thing that has been said about EA in this forums. Religion (mainly religion, but other factors as well) ending up crippling videogame content is... wrong. Just horribly wrong.

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jlb524 wrote...

That's a load of horse crap. This comes from the same people that place emphasis on ME being 'your' Shepard's story in their advertising.  I watched those Sci. vs. Fy spots and that's all they yammered on about.

 A HUGE load....

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It's from the IGN artcile posted earlier.

And I hope nobody misinterprets me using "quell". I simply mean that they pretty much answered your all's question.

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brain_damage wrote...

Basically, this means that male Shepard doesn't have a gay option because "the devs said so". Femshep can be gay(Liara, Kelly, Morinth, Consort), but nooo, Maleshep can't be because the developers think he should be straight. That's still rather hypocritical.


It is incredibly dumb, considering Dragon Age. They could make it so that no man propositions Shep, and even that would still be somewhat hypocritical since Asari come on to FemShep all the time, but it would make m/m relations start only at player's choice.

I rather appreciate the possibility of F/F relations in ME, but without a similar option for the gay men and straight women for some man loving... Eh, I don't like it. Especially considering just how near flirting some of the early dialogue between Jacob and MaleShep came. Fraternization indeed... It's apparently ok to rut with turians, quarians, and drell, but not fellow humans of the same sex. That's just how Bioware "sees" the male Shepard.

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Archereon wrote...

EA owns bioware now, that means no same sex relations anymore. They have to appeal to the largest possible audience, as its primary market is America, a nation where a large enough number of voters oppose gay marriage to keep it from happening, they have to appeal to their target audience.


Yep, this makes perfect sense.

Oh wait, not it doesn't. Remember Dragon Age?

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Forgive me for a memetic colloquialism here, but: Lolwut?



So, the reason you can't have same-sex relationships in ME is because ME is a third-person series with a defined character? In that case, why give the player any choices at all about his/her gender, behavior, relationships or even choice of armor colors? After all, if we're just playing with Bioware's pre-defined Shepard, the gamer shouldn't have any input into Shepard's behavior, because that would derail the carefully crafted character Bioware already created...



This makes no sense at all, whether Shepard is hetero-, ******-, xeno- or pansexual. If Ray is speaking for all the devs here, he just blew it massively.

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brain_damage wrote...

Basically, this means that male Shepard doesn't have a gay option because "the devs said so". Femshep can be gay(Liara, Kelly, Morinth, Consort), but nooo, Maleshep can't be because the developers think he should be straight. That's still rather hypocritical.


People keep forgetting that Asari ARE NOT female, the way that they look and sound just make us percieve them as one.

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Oh, and someone tell Ray Muzyka that Baldur's Gate didn't have same sex romances.



Does anyone else find it odd that it fits FemShep's character to be a lesbian, but it doesn't fit MaleShep's character to be gay? What??

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MacedonianWolf wrote...

People keep forgetting that Asari ARE NOT female, the way that they look and sound just make us percieve them as one.


Well they look female. And have female voices. And their life stages are Maiden, Matron and Matriarch. Nope, not female at all.

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In ME2 I got my wish, my Renegade FemShep got to do HER story as she didn't need to recruit Tali... now if Bioware will just further this and ensure that for anyone whom didn't recruit Tali she is now dead on Haestrom then my Renegade FemShep will be.. well not bothered really but considering I left her on Haestrom, surely that means she ends up dead?



Before Tali fans lynch me, note I said my Renegade FemShep, hell if my Paragon MaleShep wasn't already in a relationship with Liara he'd probably have been intrigued by Tali. He stood up for her (didn't choose paragon option, went for the crowd option instead, it was fun watching Vee'Tor and Kal'Reegar help out :) )

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Sir, I'm detecting a canonical bland white male space marine on my long-range scanners!

Modifié par Forwen, 07 février 2010 - 05:36 .


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Internet Kraken wrote...

Archereon wrote...

EA owns bioware now, that means no same sex relations anymore. They have to appeal to the largest possible audience, as its primary market is America, a nation where a large enough number of voters oppose gay marriage to keep it from happening, they have to appeal to their target audience.


Yep, this makes perfect sense.

Oh wait, not it doesn't. Remember Dragon Age?

Mass Effect 2 was obviously intended to be more mainstream than Dragon Age.

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brain_damage wrote...

MacedonianWolf wrote...

People keep forgetting that Asari ARE NOT female, the way that they look and sound just make us percieve them as one.


Well they look female. And have female voices. And their life stages are Maiden, Matron and Matriarch. Nope, not female at all.

There's also the fact that the Codex in the first game calls them an all-female race.

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Ray's answer is a very roundabout way of saying no. Ugh, that drives me nuts. Just effing say no. It kind of pisses me off FShep can be gay and not MShep. No way around that one with the 'Asari are asexual'. What does that make Kelly? They need to fix this.

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Putting aside the fact that Liara doesn't count as a F/F romance, it does seem kinda weird that the devs chose to never have a M/M romance, considering it's an open ended story.

I understand what they mean by Third Person Story compared to First Person Story, but I don't see why gay romances would be affected by it.

Modifié par AdamNW, 07 février 2010 - 05:39 .