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[Myrmedus]

Is this thread serious? 16 pages? Why is this such a big deal? I cannot for the life of me understand the drama over romances in this game just be happy with what you've got and if you need more go and play IMVU or something >.<

[BrianWilly]

DeathCultArm wrote...

I'm saying if you're a *** gamer than the same sex romances are important to them. But what if you don't care about that, and you wanted a long hair option. Why is the same sex romance more important?

And just BW added *** romances to one game, doesn't mean they need to implement it in every game.

And the devs didn't make the sky, but they did make Liara so...yeah..

Again, I'm going to have to go ahead and assert that sexuality is more important to a player, gay or not, than hair length.

At last count, Bioware added gay content to Mass Effect 1, Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, and Dragon Age.  That's four games, practically their entire RPG franchise list.  The only one left is...what, Neverwinter Nights?  I'm not saying they have to have it in this game just because they had it in others, but you wondered why people are focusing on having gay romance in this game specifically, well, that's the reason.  Bioware set the precedent.  People are annoyed that they are backpeddling from it, particularly with Muzyka's comments.

The devs didn't make the universally and academically-accepted definition of the word female.  They can't claim that Liara isn't that, no more than they can claim that Ashley or Miranda isn't that.  Or, rather, they can, but that doesn't mean that they're correct, because they wouldn't be.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 08 février 2010 - 12:15 .

[DaeJi]

The hair thing doesn't really compare to the same sex thing. Having longer hair doesn't actually alter the game for anyone, it's just a vanity thing. Romances do affect a player's game.

This resistence to same sex romances is just more evidence that the option should be included as a DLC (whether for this game or an expansion or Mass Effect 3), since only the players who want it will get it and those who don't want it won't have to worry.

Modifié par DaeJi, 08 février 2010 - 12:17 .

[Brahlis]

@ the constant "Liara in ME1 was lesbian" brigade.

[DeathCultArm]

BrianWilly wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

I'm saying if you're a *** gamer than the same sex romances are important to them. But what if you don't care about that, and you wanted a long hair option. Why is the same sex romance more important?

And just BW added *** romances to one game, doesn't mean they need to implement it in every game.

And the devs didn't make the sky, but they did make Liara so...yeah..

Again, I'm going to have to go ahead and assert that sexuality is more important to a player, gay or not, than hair length.

At last count, Bioware added gay content to Mass Effect 1, Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, and Dragon Age.  That's four games, practically their entire RPG franchise list.  The only one left is...what, Neverwinter Nights?  I'm not saying they have to have it in this game just because they had it in others, but you wondered why people are focusing on having gay romance in this game specifically, well, that's the reason.  Bioware set the precedent.  People are annoyed that they are backpeddling from it, particularly with Muzyka's comments.

The devs didn't make the universally and academically-accepted definition of the word female.  They can't claim that Liara isn't that, no more than they can claim that Ashley or Miranda isn't that.  Or, rather, they can, but that doesn't mean that they're correct, because they wouldn't be.

Liara.isn't.a.women.

There were no *** romances in ME1. Just b/c they added the choice in other games still doesn't mean it has to follow suit. Each franchsie is just that, and eachs stands alone.

And sure sexuality is more important, than hair. But if they must go out of their way to same sex romances then where does the line end?

[DaeJi]

Brahlis wrote...

@ the constant "Liara in ME1 was lesbian" brigade.

I agree with you. It was obvious that she was bisexual and into both genders. Not surprising since she comes form an all female race who form relationships with other species, regardless of gender.

[BrianWilly]

NOT GAY THEY'RE NOT FEMALE NOT LESBIANS SERIOUSLY



lolwut

[DaeJi]

DeathCultArm wrote...
Liara.isn't.a.women.

She gives birth, has a womb, has eggs... she is biologically female.

[Brahlis]

DaeJi wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...
Liara.isn't.a.women.

She gives birth, has a womb, has eggs... she is biologically female.

Piccolo in DBZ was a chick too. True story.

[DaeJi]

Brahlis wrote...

Piccolo in DBZ was a chick too. True story.

And Dragonball compares to Mass Effect... how?

[BrianWilly]

DeathCultArm wrote...

And sure sexuality is more important, than hair. But if they must go out of their way to same sex romances then where does the line end?

Why would the line go any further than where it would logically go?  They already have interspecies romance with hot carapace action.  Frankly, from any rational viewpoint, gay romance is a step back from that.

You act like putting gay content in the game is some kind of massive HOLY **** upheaval that would overturn the industry or something.  As you know, there have been numerous well-selling games that have included gay content and, lo and behold, the world has not actually ended.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 08 février 2010 - 12:27 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Liara is not a "woman".



Liara is female.



woman = cultural term

female = biological sex



All asari are female, so a relationship between an asari and a female is, shock!, a lesbian relationship.

[Myrmedus]

It's not a dating game, it's not a romcom, it's not IMVU, it's not MSN Messenger, it's not Datez4U, stop making such a big deal of it and either play the game or don't.

Jesus H. Next thing they'll be complaining that FF8 you could only 'romance' Rinoa - WHY NOT ZELL?

Modifié par Myrmedus, 08 février 2010 - 12:28 .

[DeathCultArm]

Ok, if you people are going to be ignorant and just negate a comfrimation from the devs that Liara is a female than...Seriously,...

[DeathCultArm]

BrianWilly wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

And sure sexuality is more important, than hair. But if they must go out of their way to same sex romances then where does the line end?

Why would the line go any further than where it would logically go?  They already have interspecies romance with hot carapace action.  Frankly, from any rational viewpoint, gay romance is a step back from that.

You act like putting gay content in the game is some kind of massive HOLY **** upheaval that would overturn the industry or something.  As you know, there have been numerous well-selling games that have included gay content and, lo and behold, the world has not actually ended.

I'm saying there is no reason to add the *** romances, no more than to not add it. There is not true benefit to add it, and no real reason to not add it. Sense it wasn't added, why keep dwelling on it.

Again ME2 is more commerical and adding  *** romances isn't commerical.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Myrmedus wrote...

It's not a dating game, + yammer

Yet dating is in the game.

This isn't a flight simulator, but there's still control of the Normandy given to the player.

You can't just ignore complaints about a game's features just because said feature is a "smaller" part of the game. If it's not a "dating game", then why is there romance at all?

Use your head.

[Myrmedus]

Shavon wrote...

BrianWilly wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

And sure sexuality is more important, than hair. But if they must go out of their way to same sex romances then where does the line end?

Why would the line go any further than where it would logically go?  They already have interspecies romance with hot carapace action.  Frankly, from any rational viewpoint, gay romance is a step back from that.

You act like putting gay content in the game is some kind of massive HOLY **** upheaval that would overturn the industry or something.  As you know, there have been numerous well-selling games that have included gay content and, lo and behold, the world has not actually ended.

He's just playing the Devil's advocate, clearly not serious about much of what he says, as well as many of the people here.
Seriously, Bioware , just include the romances, and stop alienating fans. You can't please the shooter and rpg crowd at the same time.  The company's integrity goes down everytime these things happen.

If you're alienated from a saga with the quality of Mass Effect purely because you can't screw someone of the same sex as your character then maybe you're playing the wrong game genre.

[DeathCultArm]

Shavon wrote...

BrianWilly wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

And sure sexuality is more important, than hair. But if they must go out of their way to same sex romances then where does the line end?

Why would the line go any further than where it would logically go?  They already have interspecies romance with hot carapace action.  Frankly, from any rational viewpoint, gay romance is a step back from that.

You act like putting gay content in the game is some kind of massive HOLY **** upheaval that would overturn the industry or something.  As you know, there have been numerous well-selling games that have included gay content and, lo and behold, the world has not actually ended.

He's just playing the Devil's advocate, clearly not serious about much of what he says, as well as many of the people here.
Seriously, Bioware , just include the romances, and stop alienating fans. You can't please the shooter and rpg crowd at the same time.  The company's integrity goes down everytime these things happen.

Just because i'm taking a side that isn't necesarily my own, doesn't mean it's not to be taken serious.

[BrianWilly]

DeathCultArm wrote...

I'm saying there is no reason to add the *** romances, no more than to not add it. There is not true benefit to add it, and no real reason to not add it. Sense it wasn't added, why keep dwelling on it.

Again ME2 is more commerical and adding  *** romances isn't commerical.

How are you defining "benefit"?  It seems to be a very vague concept that you keep bringing up. There is no true benefit to many of the romances, including the straight ones, by the way you're using it.

And, again, I'm going to have to ask since when has controversial content ever hurt any game's sales? Seriously, I ask this every couple of pages, and no one can come up with a single instance of this despite "They will lose money" coming up over and over again.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 08 février 2010 - 12:34 .

[DeathCultArm]

BrianWilly wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

I'm saying there is no reason to add the *** romances, no more than to not add it. There is not true benefit to add it, and no real reason to not add it. Sense it wasn't added, why keep dwelling on it.

Again ME2 is more commerical and adding  *** romances isn't commerical.

How are you defining "benefit"?  It seems to be a very vague concept that you keep bringing. There is no true benefit to many of the romances, including the straight ones, by the way you're using it.

And, again, I'm going to have to ask since when has controversial content ever hurt any game's sales?
Seriously, I ask this every couple of pages, and no one can come up
with a single instance of this despite "They will lose money" coming up
over and over again.

But the others romances were already added. They're not in the game. If BW wanted them in they would have added it. What I mean by benefit is a positive reason to do it, as there isn't one.

And no it doesn' hurt game sales, but it does add negative publicity, and EA isn't one for that.

[Myrmedus]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

It's not a dating game, + yammer

Yet dating is in the game.

This isn't a flight simulator, but there's still control of the Normandy given to the player.

You can't just ignore complaints about a game's features just because said feature is a "smaller" part of the game. If it's not a "dating game", then why is there romance at all?

Use your head.

Dating is in the game but to go to the point of virtually 'campaigning' for an extension of that dating meta-gaming is quite honestly pathetic. Like you say it's a 'smaller' part of the game so why devote so much time and energy to complaining about it when there are other more 'major' parts that could be improved upon and given feedback (plot, combat, ren/par persuasion mechanics etc.)

Dating is in it and I'll endeavour on those character arcs but if they were taken away in ME3 I wouldn't mind too much because this is a sci-fi action RPG with a sci-fi plot, not IMVU. The ferocity of some of the arguments in here about it almost lead me to believe that some of the players use it as a substitute for the real thing because quite honestly I can't even comprehend the passion for such a minor simulation.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 08 février 2010 - 12:38 .

[Kolaris8472]

Myrmedus wrote...

Shavon wrote...

BrianWilly wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

And sure sexuality is more important, than hair. But if they must go out of their way to same sex romances then where does the line end?

Why would the line go any further than where it would logically go?  They already have interspecies romance with hot carapace action.  Frankly, from any rational viewpoint, gay romance is a step back from that.

You act like putting gay content in the game is some kind of massive HOLY **** upheaval that would overturn the industry or something.  As you know, there have been numerous well-selling games that have included gay content and, lo and behold, the world has not actually ended.

He's just playing the Devil's advocate, clearly not serious about much of what he says, as well as many of the people here.
Seriously, Bioware , just include the romances, and stop alienating fans. You can't please the shooter and rpg crowd at the same time.  The company's integrity goes down everytime these things happen.

If you're alienated from a saga with the quality of Mass Effect purely because you can't screw someone of the same sex as your character then maybe you're playing the wrong game genre.

But how much worse is it that BioWare is concerned over potentially losing fans who would be alienated from Mass Effect purely because other people could get it on with a character that's the same sex?

[Brahlis]

Alienating fans? Because there's no homosexual romance?



Please, just leave the thread.