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[DaeJi]

DeathCultArm wrote...
And no it doesn' hurt game sales, but it does add negative publicity, and EA isn't one for that.

How does this add negative publicity? The most negative thing the first game ever got was about the inclusion of sex and nudity in the game, with homosexuality not being mentioned at all. And this piece aired on FOX News, EA defended the game and demanded an apology. And with so many people preceiving EA as a sort of "evil empire," reaching out to even small groups of fans will be good for them, especially when it won't hurt the gameplay or story.

[Myrmedus]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Shavon wrote...

BrianWilly wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

And sure sexuality is more important, than hair. But if they must go out of their way to same sex romances then where does the line end?

Why would the line go any further than where it would logically go?  They already have interspecies romance with hot carapace action.  Frankly, from any rational viewpoint, gay romance is a step back from that.

You act like putting gay content in the game is some kind of massive HOLY **** upheaval that would overturn the industry or something.  As you know, there have been numerous well-selling games that have included gay content and, lo and behold, the world has not actually ended.

He's just playing the Devil's advocate, clearly not serious about much of what he says, as well as many of the people here.
Seriously, Bioware , just include the romances, and stop alienating fans. You can't please the shooter and rpg crowd at the same time.  The company's integrity goes down everytime these things happen.

If you're alienated from a saga with the quality of Mass Effect purely because you can't screw someone of the same sex as your character then maybe you're playing the wrong game genre.

But how much worse is it that BioWare is concerned over potentially losing fans who would be alienated from Mass Effect purely because other people could get it on with a character that's the same sex?

They wouldn't lose fans either way it's a load of posturing crap, and if they did lose any it'd be a minority. It's purely to avoid controversy in the limelight and possibly because the writing involved to create a realistic same-sex romance is beyond the scope of the BW writers.

Think about it. People on these forums are already complaining plenty about the same sex romances currently IN-GAME; generally 'mainstream' romances that can written in quite stereotypical ways in fact. Do you honestly believe they'd produce a good same-sex romance for ME3 because personally I don't. And then what? More complaints! More criticism! What's the point?

Modifié par Myrmedus, 08 février 2010 - 12:41 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Myrmedus wrote...

Dating is in the game but to go to the point of virtually 'campaigning' for an extension of that dating meta-gaming is quite honestly pathetic. Like you say it's a 'smaller' part of the game so why devote so much time and energy to complaining about it when there are other more 'major' parts that could be improved upon and given feedback (plot, combat, ren/par persuasion mechanics etc.)

Dating is in it and I'll endeavour on those character arcs but if they were taken away in ME3 I wouldn't mind too much because this is a sci-fi action RPG with a sci-fi plot, not IMVU. The ferocity of some of the arguments in here about it almost lead me to believe that some of the players use it as a substitute for the real thing because quite honestly I can't even comprehend the passion for such a minor simulation.

Dating is a part of the game. People play the game. People experience the dating part of the game and develop opinions on what they'd like to see in that part of the game. The forums are for voicing opinions about the game.

Hence, your "complaints" about people critiquing aspects of the game = completely pointless.

[DeathCultArm]

I've been respectful toward the opposing opinion, but I can control how others act. I haven't flamed anyone, and if you expect a thread where no one will diasagre than,..well.

[Myrmedus]

Shavon wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...


If you're alienated from a saga with the quality of Mass Effect purely because you can't screw someone of the same sex as your character then maybe you're playing the wrong game genre.

I'm not, but that isn't for you or anyone to dictate in this thread.  If someone enjoys a certain type of romance in Bioware games, and doesn't get to experience it because Bioware is compromising for once, than it's a problem, with a very valid reason for fan complaints.

Precisely, so this campaigning is a little pathetic because it's up to noone to dictate or even appeal so just let BW make the decision and see how it comes in ME3.

[Myrmedus]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Dating is in the game but to go to the point of virtually 'campaigning' for an extension of that dating meta-gaming is quite honestly pathetic. Like you say it's a 'smaller' part of the game so why devote so much time and energy to complaining about it when there are other more 'major' parts that could be improved upon and given feedback (plot, combat, ren/par persuasion mechanics etc.)

Dating is in it and I'll endeavour on those character arcs but if they were taken away in ME3 I wouldn't mind too much because this is a sci-fi action RPG with a sci-fi plot, not IMVU. The ferocity of some of the arguments in here about it almost lead me to believe that some of the players use it as a substitute for the real thing because quite honestly I can't even comprehend the passion for such a minor simulation.

Dating is a part of the game. People play the game. People experience the dating part of the game and develop opinions on what they'd like to see in that part of the game. The forums are for voicing opinions about the game.

Hence, your "complaints" about people critiquing aspects of the game = completely pointless.

This entire thread is pointless and a complete waste of database capacity. Dating is a part of the game but same-sex dating is not so complaining over it is quite honestly a joke, not to mention what is found in this thread is not critique but more like whining and complaining. Offer your opinions that you'd like to see it, sure, but a 17 page thread of incessant arguments? Seriously....

But don't worry I won't oppose the threadrolling anymore.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 08 février 2010 - 12:45 .

[DeathCultArm]

DaeJi wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...
And no it doesn' hurt game sales, but it does add negative publicity, and EA isn't one for that.

How does this add negative publicity? The most negative thing the first game ever got was about the inclusion of sex and nudity in the game, with homosexuality not being mentioned at all. And this piece aired on FOX News, EA defended the game and demanded an apology. And with so many people preceiving EA as a sort of "evil empire," reaching out to even small groups of fans will be good for them, especially when it won't hurt the gameplay or story.

For once I want someone of the side of pro-same sex side, to look at things from other's perspective.

ME2 is much more a shooter now. It is now geared toward another audience..a more shallow less, accepting audience.

EA is in it for the money. They don't want to reach out. You either buy their game or not, they've proven it. You have to understand how they're are just so many factors against this.

[BrianWilly]

DeathCultArm wrote...

But the others romances were already added. They're not in the game. If BW wanted them in they would have added it. What I mean by benefit is a positive reason to do it, as there isn't one.

And no it doesn' hurt game sales, but it does add negative publicity, and EA isn't one for that.

What negative publicity?  Where is all this negative publicity you keep talking about that has effected all their games with gay content like, again, ME1, Jade Empire, KoTOR, and Dragon Age?

I still see you overestimating the influence of the Bible Belt demographic, despite no indication of them having any impact whatsoever on a game, its sales, or its publicity.  It's 2010.  Gay content has been in games for a long time now. "Negative publicity" is a certifiable punchline.

[Brahlis]

I think it'd be better if they'd go, "Bioware, give us a new squadmate in ME3 that will support same-sex romance!"

[highcastle]

I'm sorry, I was under the impression that Mass Effect was an RPG with the character left up to the player to define. That's kind of what an RPG is. Plus, we've been told m/m content was to have been included in both games. This time around, it was supposedly cut due to time constraints. So what's the real story, because right now this answer is more offensive than anything else. I just find it very hypocritical that femme Shep's sexuality is left fluid, but mShep's is defined. And I say this as a straight woman. I can't even begin to imagine how offended the gay community is right now after all the double talk and lame excuses. Very sad to see from a company that's previously been pretty forward-thinking when it comes to same-sex relationships.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Myrmedus wrote...

This entire thread is pointless and a complete waste of database capacity. Dating is a part of the game but same-sex dating is not so complaining over it is quite honestly a joke, not to mention what is found in this thread is not critique but more like whining and complaining. Offer your opinions that you'd like to see it, sure, but a 17 page thread of incessant arguments? Seriously....

But don't worry I won't oppose the threadrolling anymore.

Same-sex dating is a part of the game. Liara and Kelly are both females who can be dated by females.

These threads are only filled with arguments because people like you pop in and tell them to stop telling BioWare what they want to see and bigots come in acting like they aren't bigots.

[lyssalu]

lolol so femshep is a lesbian ok kewl 

[Myrmedus]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

This entire thread is pointless and a complete waste of database capacity. Dating is a part of the game but same-sex dating is not so complaining over it is quite honestly a joke, not to mention what is found in this thread is not critique but more like whining and complaining. Offer your opinions that you'd like to see it, sure, but a 17 page thread of incessant arguments? Seriously....

But don't worry I won't oppose the threadrolling anymore.

Same-sex dating is a part of the game. Liara and Kelly are both females who can be dated by females.

These threads are only filled with arguments because people like you pop in and tell them to stop telling BioWare what they want to see and bigots come in acting like they aren't bigots.

Do you know the meaning of the word 'bigot'? It's ironic because this exact quoted post from you is a pristine example of bigotry, so perhaps you should look in the mirror instead of acting the victim.

Or check a dictionary, either one would do fine.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 08 février 2010 - 12:55 .

[DeathCultArm]

BrianWilly wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

But the others romances were already added. They're not in the game. If BW wanted them in they would have added it. What I mean by benefit is a positive reason to do it, as there isn't one.

And no it doesn' hurt game sales, but it does add negative publicity, and EA isn't one for that.

What negative publicity?  Where is all this negative publicity you keep talking about that has effected all their games with gay content like, again, ME1, Jade Empire, KoTOR, and Dragon Age?

I still see you overestimating the influence of the Bible Belt demographic, despite no indication of them having any impact whatsoever on a game, its sales, or its publicity.  It's 2010.  Gay content has been in games for a long time now. "Negative publicity" is a certifiable punchline.

As I've said, none of those games were geared toward a commerical audience. And no the "BBD" as you say have no effect over sales, but it appeard they do over EA. Just b/c you people want the same sex romances to be a added, doesn't mean it's at all likely, which everyone seems to be neglecting for various reasons.

[Brahlis]

highcastle wrote...
That's kind of what an RPG is. Plus, we've been told m/m content was to have been included in both games. This time around, it was supposedly cut due to time constraints. 

Cool story, bro. Stop making up stuff to back up your argument.

[Brahlis]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
These threads are only filled with arguments because people like you pop in and tell them to stop telling BioWare what they want to see and bigots come in acting like they aren't bigots.

[CommanderShawn]

Shepard is clearly meant to be straight they planed for him to be straight since they ME1 the people they choose for the voice chracter they already had the scripts almost finish for ME2 after they finished ME1 and they already said they got started on ME3 script when they were almost done with ME2 so i really don't think they are just going to make male Shepard bi out of the blue after only liking woman after two games

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Myrmedus wrote...

Do you know the meaning of the word 'bigot'? It's ironic because this exact quoted post is a pristine example of bigotry, so perhaps you should look in the mirror instead of acting the victim.

Or check a dictionary, either one would do fine.

How was what I said bigoted?

[OH-UP-THIS!]

brain_damage wrote...

MacedonianWolf wrote...

People keep forgetting that Asari ARE NOT female, the way that they look and sound just make us percieve them as one.

Well they look female. And have female voices. And their life stages are Maiden, Matron and Matriarch. Nope, not female at all.

If Bioware made the Asari "look" non-gender specific, and one(or several) of them hit on your Maleshep.................. uh YEAH!!
It's LESS offensive to have a female "looking" race, making a pass at your character than "thinking your maleshep is being tagged as a gay". GET OVER IT!!

[highcastle]

Brahlis wrote...

highcastle wrote...
That's kind of what an RPG is. Plus, we've been told m/m content was to have been included in both games. This time around, it was supposedly cut due to time constraints. 

Cool story, bro. Stop making up stuff to back up your argument.

Er, this was the story handed out to us by a dev on the old forums back in November. I'll see if I can find the link. And here it is: http://meforums.biow...the gay ME fans

[BrianWilly]

DeathCultArm wrote...

As I've said, none of those games were geared toward a commerical audience. And no the "BBD" as you say have no effect over sales, but it appeard they do over EA. Just b/c you people want the same sex romances to be a added, doesn't mean it's at all likely, which everyone seems to be neglecting for various reasons.

Just three or four years ago you might have said it "wasn't likely" to have a game like Dragon Age, with all the romantic choices it entails, for fear of the exact same imaginary backlash that you speak of.  And yet here we are.

Evidently it "wasn't likely" at this point in time for ME2.  But times change.  They're changing right this minute, with every post you make on the subject.  Bioware itself has both paved the way (Mass Effect 1) and backtracked from it (Mass Effect 2).  The only question remains is whether or not it will change enough for the immediate future, for DLC content and for Mass Effect 3.

[DaeJi]

DeathCultArm wrote...

For once I want someone of the side of pro-same sex side, to look at things from other's perspective.

I have, when I said that this content is best saved as a DLC for any future releases. It allows the players who want it to have it, while not imposing it on those who do not.

[Kolaris8472]

Its a curious position. Technically, I suppose he's arguing that being anti-bigot is in fact bigotry. You're being intolerant of bigots.



Cut it out!

[Brahlis]

DaeJi wrote...
I have, when I said that this content is best saved as a DLC for any future releases. It allows the players who want it to have it, while not imposing it on those who do not.

So have the same-sex stuff be DLC only that doesn't ship on the vanilla game?

I would support that idea.