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[DeathCultArm]

Khavos wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

There are no male or female Asari unlike Turians who have both gender, and Garrus has been proven to be a male. So like I said, not a valid comparison.

How do you know Turians have both genders?  The codex?  It's already been established that you can't trust that, right?  

NO, it been established that if you DON'T believe Asari aren't females than you don't trust the codex. No ded has ever said Garrus wasn't a male, so my point still stands.

[Abirn]

Brahlis wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
And we're done here.

Yeah, you're right. This thread was done the moment people started making all these reasons why it "should" or "would" happen. It's not. Sucks for you.

I refurse to sit by as fox spews gets to dictate the way video games are made.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Brahlis wrote..

Yeah, you're right. This thread was done the moment people started making all these reasons why it "should" or "would" happen. It's not. Sucks for you.

Not really. I don't even like Garrus as a character and I couldn't care less if Tali was into women.

I have Liara and Kelly.  The issue in this topic is people arguing against other people voicing their opinions about what they want to see in the future.

[Khavos]

DeathCultArm wrote...

NO, it been established that if you DON'T believe Asari aren't females than you don't trust the codex. No ded has ever said Garrus wasn't a male, so my point still stands.

Ah, very well then.

Please link me to a dev statement that Garrus is male? 

[Myrmedus]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...


Exactly, and that's the point here. Perception vs. Reality.

This is a videogame so everyone playing it, all the millions of gamers, are perceiving every square inch of it. I can say with some confidence that most of the players would view that as a retcon. It might not be right, it may not make sense in reality, but I guarantee it would happen.

So? All that proves is that different people will perceive the information differently. That means there will be opposing viewpoints to be argued.

Therefore, why are you on these forums trying to say your perception is any better than someone else's? I wouldn't see Garrus developing an interest in male Shep a retcon. Just becuase you would means you're right and it should never be done? But you don't go even that far. So far you've just been saying that it shouldn't even be discussed because it's "a small part of the game".

Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

I didn't say my perception was better, I simply said my perception will probably be echoed by the majority of players therefore potentially resulting in the majority of the playerbase screaming "retcon" at the idea.

Again, please stop reading into my posts some sense of superiority. Just because I'm arguing with a group of people who perceive themselves - and are perceived generally - as a minority does not mean I'm being superior.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 08 février 2010 - 02:02 .

[Brahlis]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
The issue in this topic is people arguing against other people voicing their opinions about what they want to see in the future.

I don't really care what people want to type. They have that right. Of course, I have a right to tell them their opinion sucks for "_____" reason.

Honestly, what I do have a problem with is when they start negatively talking about Bioware because they didn't include it, and then list a bunch of reasons why this makes Bioware "____" or players that don't want to see it are a bunc of "_______".

[mcvxiii]

Brahlis wrote...

mcvxiii wrote...
Oh c'mon and the Tali romance wasn't? That was majour bit retconning.

Read my post above. It really isn't that hard to understand.

Some people, GD.

 
I am referring to the romance that is in the game not which gender it is with and not with. Quarians went from needing a suit to protect their health due to a rather compromised immue system to it being nothing more than a fashion statement as popping a few Claritins is all that is really needed.

[Lord Atlia]

These threads go in circles...if a character were to be revealed as bisexual that would be considered character growth in a sense as it was revealing a layer of that character that hadn't been explored. If all crew members were revealed as bisexual than it would compromise all characters' integrity. We can only hypothesis what each crew members sexual preferences are given the available data (Tali and Garrus are more likely straight) but all characters need a sexual preference. Sexual preference is one of the ways we as people identify ourselves and how society identifies us.

[DeathCultArm]

Khavos wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

NO, it been established that if you DON'T believe Asari aren't females than you don't trust the codex. No ded has ever said Garrus wasn't a male, so my point still stands.

Ah, very well then.

Please link me to a dev statement that Garrus is male? 

Well it's quite obvious he is no dev has ever as ever come out to say otherwise like Asari. Turians have gender unlike Asari, and well all know Garrus isn't a female...SO...I don't see what you're not getting exactly.

[DeathCultArm]

What is this thread even about anymore?

[Kolaris8472]

Brahlis wrote...
...or players that don't want to see it are a bunc of "_______".

I haven't seen anyone say this, which is surprising given the number of threads we've had. They're saying, quite sensibly, that if you aren't interested in their interests you can easily ignore them. 

[Myrmedus]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...
Say what you will, making Tali or Garrus bisexual is retconning.

It seems it would come down to whether you feel individual attraction is a choice or not, or whether sexual taste is a choice. I do, and whether or not Tali got it on quicker with a Male Shephard in an alternative universe that wouldn't exist in said playthrough, a more intimate relationship would still make sense given where they left off. 

Though the crux of my argument throughout all these threads was trying to get people to understand that if a character is not a love interest, they have severely limited dialog. That would drastically weaken the Tali/Femshep relationship to a degree that (because it still fits in my eyes, if it was explicitly out then I agree retconning == BAD) it would be a lesser-evil to have the option open in ME3/DLC. 

Then they should just sort out friendship dialogues IMO. For example, Thane was still done well even as a Male Shepard so more like this should allieviate that problem.

And on the topic of sexuality being a choice, while that may be your opinion I think you'll find the vast majority of this game's playerbase would vehemently disagree, myself included.

[Saskuatch]

I don't understand why people whine how a character romancing femshep will affect the characters integrity, if you play a maleshep it wouldnt matter at all you would never see thing option happening so as ahnuld says it STOP WHINING

[Saskuatch]

wierd

Modifié par Saskuatch, 08 février 2010 - 02:05 .

[Khavos]

Shavon wrote...

They refer to Garrus as he ingame, lol.

They refer to all asari as "she" in-game as well.

[Brahlis]

Kolaris8472 wrote...
I haven't seen anyone say this, which is surprising given the number of threads we've had. They're saying, quite sensibly, that if you aren't interested in their interests you can easily ignore them. 

I've seen responses calling people homophobes and bigots among other things.

[Myrmedus]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

It was not reconned because it was NOT established one way or the other for them.

All they've established is that Tali and Garrus like the opposite gender. It still isn't strictly established whether or not they can be bisexual.

You're simply assuming they are not.

No they've established they're straight by vying out the possibility of romancing them as the same-sex in the game. If they made a DLC change before ME3 came out then it wouldn't be retcon but failing that it would be.

Again, this is the difference between a video-game and real life. You can utterly remove the options for even approaching these characters of the same sex in a romantic way in a video-game, which of course isn't possible in real life, and that basically says "they're straight".

Modifié par Myrmedus, 08 février 2010 - 02:08 .

[Khavos]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Well it's quite obvious he is no dev has ever as ever come out to say otherwise like Asari. Turians have gender unlike Asari, and well all know Garrus isn't a female...SO...I don't see what you're not getting exactly.

It's quite obvious that Liara is a female as well.  The only thing stating that turians have gender is the codex, and if you believe that asari are not an all-female race as the codex states, then why would you not believe that the issue of turian gender is in question? 

[Kalypto]

DeathCultArm wrote...

What is this thread even about anymore?

I'm not sure...

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Myrmedus wrote...
Again, please stop reading into my posts some sense of superiority. Just because I'm arguing with a group of people who perceive themselves - and are perceived generally - as a minority does not mean I'm being superior.

Some might argue that assuming your opinion about an uncertain and hypothetical issue to be "the majority" is a sense of superiority.

If you didn't think that being amongst a majority was superior or that it somehow reinforced your opinion, then why are you arguing at all? Just to waste time?

[Brahlis]

Saskuatch wrote...

I don't understand why people whine how a character romancing femshep will affect the characters integrity, if you play a maleshep it wouldnt matter at all you would never see thing option happening so as ahnuld says it STOP WHINING

Counter: Or the people complaining that they should change it and add it into the game should "STOP WHINING!".

[Kolaris8472]

Brahlis wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...
I haven't seen anyone say this, which is surprising given the number of threads we've had. They're saying, quite sensibly, that if you aren't interested in their interests you can easily ignore them. 

I've seen responses calling people homophobes and bigots among other things.

But not for the reason you stated. You get called that when you don't want someone else seeing a same-sex romance. 

[DeathCultArm]

Khavos wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

Well it's quite obvious he is no dev has ever as ever come out to say otherwise like Asari. Turians have gender unlike Asari, and well all know Garrus isn't a female...SO...I don't see what you're not getting exactly.

It's quite obvious that Liara is a female as well.  The only thing stating that turians have gender is the codex, and if you believe that asari are not an all-female race as the codex states, then why would you not believe that the issue of turian gender is in question? 

Like I said, a dev never same out and said that Turians don't have gender. One did explain that Asari aren't females.

[defenestrated]

Shavon wrote...

Um yes it was, now I'm wodnering if you even know how to properly use the term, Jeez your ignorance is appalling

I'm all in favor of a good retcon - Agrajag FTW - but how are the Tali and Garrus romances retcons? I've not tried them (yet?) but it's my understanding that their romantic attraction is established as new, not something they kept secret in ME1.