Myrmedus wrote...
I can't tell if you're just mucking around or not but...in the event you're not: I love the new combat system so don't get a pole up your arse
Having said that, even though I love the new system that doesn't mean I'm blind to the fact it was mostly to cater to a wider market .
Myrmedus wrote...
This is where you're wrong.
Firstly, the shift to more shooter-esque mechanics was a perfect example of 'widening' their market.
Secondly, on the basis of optional content you'd be surprised at the proportion of players who own ME2 who actually purchase the DLCs, and the numbers would be even higher if they weren't so easy for many players to torrent them.
DeathCultArm wrote...
BrianWilly wrote...
Correction, he didn't actually explain it at all. Obviously, since if he did, he probably would have realized that it didn't make any sense to think so, and that he was wrong.DeathCultArm wrote...
Like I said, a dev never same out and said that Turians don't have gender. One did explain that Asari aren't females.
What exaclty does proving Asari are females do? I don't get it what's your point? Why has no dev never ever said CH was wrong?
Kolaris8472 wrote...
Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...
Only Garrus's romance is new...
Tali's actually does seem like a secret especially as she confesses how long she has watched Shepard. It makes a lot of sense too, Tali was on her Pilgrimage and has faced nothing but discrimination then come Shepard to save her, ask about her culture, fight with her and together they save the galaxy, helped her w/ her Pilgrimage by giving her a piece of Geth technology, etc.
And then she practically worships you based on your first encounter and how often she mentions you in her log books on Haestrom. She's been crushing on him for a long time and obvious has a deep attraction to him.
And all of that is true of a Female Shephard as well...but sorry, no idea what your personal views of the matter are.
In fact, in a cruel twist of fate, you can be much more discriminatory to Tali, not even help her on her Pilgrimage, keep her stuffed in the Engine room, and still come across as more interesting or appealing than a Female Shephard who did all the things in your post. For an extra-species relationship, this is a pretty hard sell for me.
Modifié par Mikazukinoyaiba2, 08 février 2010 - 02:29 .
There's nothing to prove about it, no more than I have to prove that the sky is blue or that I didn't slice through my foes with a katana in Mass Effect 1. Casey Hudson said something that was untrue. Shock and surprise, a human being made an error! Tune in next week as world ends!DeathCultArm wrote...
What exaclty does proving Asari are females do? I don't get it what's your point? Why has no dev never ever said CH was wrong?
Khavos wrote...
DeathCultArm wrote...
BrianWilly wrote...
Correction, he didn't actually explain it at all. Obviously, since if he did, he probably would have realized that it didn't make any sense to think so, and that he was wrong.DeathCultArm wrote...
Like I said, a dev never same out and said that Turians don't have gender. One did explain that Asari aren't females.
What exaclty does proving Asari are females do? I don't get it what's your point? Why has no dev never ever said CH was wrong?
Demonstrate a bull**** double standard, mostly.
If they created another mono-gendered race, but this one had beards, used male pronouns, and came with all the usual male tackle below the belt, and allowed one of them to be romanced by a male Shep, would you be fine with it? If the devs stated it wasn't a gay romance, of course.
Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...
Kolaris8472 wrote...
Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...
Only Garrus's romance is new...
Tali's actually does seem like a secret especially as she confesses how long she has watched Shepard. It makes a lot of sense too, Tali was on her Pilgrimage and has faced nothing but discrimination then come Shepard to save her, ask about her culture, fight with her and together they save the galaxy, helped her w/ her Pilgrimage by giving her a piece of Geth technology, etc.
And then she practically worships you based on your first encounter and how often she mentions you in her log books on Haestrom. She's been crushing on him for a long time and obvious has a deep attraction to him.
And all of that is true of a Female Shephard as well...but sorry, no idea what your personal views of the matter are.
In fact, in a cruel twist of fate, you can be much more discriminatory to Tali, not even help her on her Pilgrimage, keep her stuffed in the Engine room, and still come across as more interesting or appealing than a Female Shephard who did all the things in your post. For an extra-species relationship, this is a pretty hard sell for me.
Hmm..
True enough, but I wasn't using that as an argument against a female on Tali relationship, just establishing how Tali's romance indeed fits in the category of being a "secret" in the first game rather than "new" and just added on.
jlb524 wrote...
Mox Ruuga wrote...
And NO, I don't want the f/f option removed, if you are reading Bioware. Just do the right thing and add a m/m LI and a flirting opportunity or two in ME3. It's the final episode, the homophobic console kiddies be damned!
This is what it comes down to...they think ME's intendended audience is too immature to handle m/m relationships, whereas the DA:O audience is not.
This answer would've been too honest for BW to give us, however.
BrianWilly wrote...
There's nothing to prove about it, no more than I have to prove that the sky is blue or that I didn't slice through my foes with a katana in Mass Effect 1. Casey Hudson said something that was untrue. Shock and surprise, a human being made an error! Tune in next week as world ends!DeathCultArm wrote...
What exaclty does proving Asari are females do? I don't get it what's your point? Why has no dev never ever said CH was wrong?
You keep insisting that there is no gay content in ME1. There is. Right up until Hudson made that inaccurate statement in that very recent interview, this was never once in question. People love to just flat out forget that FemShep and her lesbian option exist at all, in order to make their point that "Shepard can't be gay" that has popped up over and over. Hudson's inaccurate statement just compounds the problem. A female Shepard can most definitely be gay. It's not actually up for debate the way you think it is.
That's my point, if you really must know.
DeathCultArm wrote...
I wouldn't care, but it would still be a bad decision in general for BW to implement it. B/c most people would stil just see a man, and would refute it.
DeathCultArm wrote...
BrianWilly wrote...
There's nothing to prove about it, no more than I have to prove that the sky is blue or that I didn't slice through my foes with a katana in Mass Effect 1. Casey Hudson said something that was untrue. Shock and surprise, a human being made an error! Tune in next week as world ends!DeathCultArm wrote...
What exaclty does proving Asari are females do? I don't get it what's your point? Why has no dev never ever said CH was wrong?
You keep insisting that there is no gay content in ME1. There is. Right up until Hudson made that inaccurate statement in that very recent interview, this was never once in question. People love to just flat out forget that FemShep and her lesbian option exist at all, in order to make their point that "Shepard can't be gay" that has popped up over and over. Hudson's inaccurate statement just compounds the problem. A female Shepard can most definitely be gay. It's not actually up for debate the way you think it is.
That's my point, if you really must know.
Again why has no othe Dev corrent him. And if i'm going to continually argue with someone it helps to know they're point. In this case the point...is worthless. Even if Asari were females....There is no *** romances in ME2, so in the end, it doesn matter anyway. Shepherd can't be ***,...hence no option to do so.
Kolaris8472 wrote...
Hmm, interesting response since it doesn't really address the interpretation that Female Shephard's can have "lesbian" relationships in ME1. Almost sounds like a marketing response, though I could agree with it in theory.
Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Myrmedus wrote...
This is where you're wrong.
Firstly, the shift to more shooter-esque mechanics was a perfect example of 'widening' their market.
Secondly, on the basis of optional content you'd be surprised at the proportion of players who own ME2 who actually purchase the DLCs, and the numbers would be even higher if they weren't so easy for many players to torrent them.
I'm talking optional content, not DLC. I'm talking things like specific character romances or player choices. BioWare doesn't try to cater to a single majority wiht their optional content.
Some examples for you:
1) Fish tank - I doubt the "majority" cares about having a fish tank. BioWare still put in a fish tank
2) Romances - The "majority" of people might not want to romance Jack, for example, but BioWare still put it in as an option
3) Armor - The "majority" of people might not want to wear a specific helmet in the game. BioWare still might put the helmet in the game
See, all these things are optional content that BioWare still puts in the game. It's no different from them adding a homosexual romance. It's optional content. If you don't want to see it or use it, you don't have to, but BioWare isn't going to remove the option because they think it might not fit with a "majority".
Modifié par Myrmedus, 08 février 2010 - 02:36 .
Sageless Ranger wrote...
jlb524 wrote...
Mox Ruuga wrote...
And NO, I don't want the f/f option removed, if you are reading Bioware. Just do the right thing and add a m/m LI and a flirting opportunity or two in ME3. It's the final episode, the homophobic console kiddies be damned!
This is what it comes down to...they think ME's intendended audience is too immature to handle m/m relationships, whereas the DA:O audience is not.
This answer would've been too honest for BW to give us, however.
So are you insinuating that just because someone does not agree with your views that they are immature? Interesting.
Modifié par Kolaris8472, 08 février 2010 - 02:38 .
sedrikhcain wrote...
Kolaris8472 wrote...
Hmm, interesting response since it doesn't really address the interpretation that Female Shephard's can have "lesbian" relationships in ME1. Almost sounds like a marketing response, though I could agree with it in theory.
You're right, it doesn't address femshep's relationship options at all. It was a total non-answer worthy of a RL politician runnning for office when asked about gay marriage or something. Pretty pathetic really.
It is very tempting to dismiss this as a bow to corporate mainstreaming but, as someone else said, look at Dragon Age. So I don't know what to think.
Khavos wrote...
DeathCultArm wrote...
BrianWilly wrote...
There's nothing to prove about it, no more than I have to prove that the sky is blue or that I didn't slice through my foes with a katana in Mass Effect 1. Casey Hudson said something that was untrue. Shock and surprise, a human being made an error! Tune in next week as world ends!DeathCultArm wrote...
What exaclty does proving Asari are females do? I don't get it what's your point? Why has no dev never ever said CH was wrong?
You keep insisting that there is no gay content in ME1. There is. Right up until Hudson made that inaccurate statement in that very recent interview, this was never once in question. People love to just flat out forget that FemShep and her lesbian option exist at all, in order to make their point that "Shepard can't be gay" that has popped up over and over. Hudson's inaccurate statement just compounds the problem. A female Shepard can most definitely be gay. It's not actually up for debate the way you think it is.
That's my point, if you really must know.
Again why has no othe Dev corrent him. And if i'm going to continually argue with someone it helps to know they're point. In this case the point...is worthless. Even if Asari were females....There is no *** romances in ME2, so in the end, it doesn matter anyway. Shepherd can't be ***,...hence no option to do so.
You're aware female Shepard can romance Kelly Chambers, right?
Myrmedus wrote...
That's why I just don't think you'll see a decent amount of time invested into content for a minority. You might get little things like fish, like model ships, but you won't get fully developed scripts, dialogues etc. because from a business standpoint it's not good business.
Still, I don't have a moral or conceptual issue with it so I won't go on about it. I don't think it'll happen but meh.
Night night
As far as I know, the devs aren't in the habit of holding public press conferences correcting each other all the time. What does it matter? Do you actually need a dev's final word on a subject before you can make your own opinion on it, based on real life facts and evidence? People in this thread have explained over and over again why the Asari do have a gender, and that it is female, and that a FemShep who romanced Liara in the first game was in a lesbian relationship. You're free to disagree with us, but "A dev said so, so that's what I think" is a very silly way to do so.DeathCultArm wrote...
Again why has no othe Dev corrent him. And if i'm going to continually argue with someone it helps to know they're point. In this case the point...is worthless. Even if Asari were females....There is no *** romances in ME2, so in the end, it doesn matter anyway. Shepherd can't be ***,...hence no option to do so.
Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Myrmedus wrote...
This is where you're wrong.
Firstly, the shift to more shooter-esque mechanics was a perfect example of 'widening' their market.
Secondly, on the basis of optional content you'd be surprised at the proportion of players who own ME2 who actually purchase the DLCs, and the numbers would be even higher if they weren't so easy for many players to torrent them.
I'm talking optional content, not DLC. I'm talking things like specific character romances or player choices. BioWare doesn't try to cater to a single majority wiht their optional content.
Some examples for you:
1) Fish tank - I doubt the "majority" cares about having a fish tank. BioWare still put in a fish tank
2) Romances - The "majority" of people might not want to romance Jack, for example, but BioWare still put it in as an option
3) Armor - The "majority" of people might not want to wear a specific helmet in the game. BioWare still might put the helmet in the game
See, all these things are optional content that BioWare still puts in the game. It's no different from them adding a homosexual romance. It's optional content. If you don't want to see it or use it, you don't have to, but BioWare isn't going to remove the option because they think it might not fit with a "majority".
Khavos wrote...
DeathCultArm wrote...
I wouldn't care, but it would still be a bad decision in general for BW to implement it. B/c most people would stil just see a man, and would refute it.
Refute what? That said "genderless" alien is not male?
Doesn't matter, right? Hudson says so, so it's true.
DeathCultArm wrote...
That's hardly a romance, and that being in proves people are never satisfied.
Kolaris8472 wrote...
Mikazukinoyaiba2 wrote...
Only Garrus's romance is new...
Tali's actually does seem like a secret especially as she confesses how long she has watched Shepard. It makes a lot of sense too, Tali was on her Pilgrimage and has faced nothing but discrimination then come Shepard to save her, ask about her culture, fight with her and together they save the galaxy, helped her w/ her Pilgrimage by giving her a piece of Geth technology, etc.
And then she practically worships you based on your first encounter and how often she mentions you in her log books on Haestrom. She's been crushing on him for a long time and obvious has a deep attraction to him.
And all of that is true of a Female Shephard as well...but sorry, no idea what your personal views of the matter are.
In fact, in a cruel twist of fate, you can be much more discriminatory to Tali, not even help her on her Pilgrimage, keep her stuffed in the Engine room, and still come across as more interesting or appealing than a Female Shephard who did all the things in your post. For an extra-species relationship, this is a pretty hard sell for me.
jlb524 wrote...
Mox Ruuga wrote...
And NO, I don't want the f/f option removed, if you are reading Bioware. Just do the right thing and add a m/m LI and a flirting opportunity or two in ME3. It's the final episode, the homophobic console kiddies be damned!
This is what it comes down to...they think ME's intendended audience is too immature to handle m/m relationships, whereas the DA:O audience is not.
This answer would've been too honest for BW to give us, however.
Khavos wrote...
DeathCultArm wrote...
That's hardly a romance, and that being in proves people are never satisfied.
Do you work for Bioware?
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