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[Mystranna Kelteel]

BattleVisor wrote...
Thats where you are wrong! it doesnt become optional, becuase you're changing the love interest's character, the squad mate having homosexual tendencies. I dont want my squad mates proposing the question in the first place. I dont want any possibility of that happening, just because my Shepard is a bit friendly with a male squad mate

That's your prerogative.

Not that it matters, because the ME2 romances are all initiated by Shepard.

None of the males "hit on" my femShep. The romances were purely optional.

[jlb524]

BattleVisor wrote...


Thats where you are wrong! it doesnt become optional, becuase you're changing the love interest's character, the squad mate having homosexual tendencies. I dont want my squad mates proposing the question in the first place. I dont want any possibility of that happening, just because my Shepard is a bit friendly with a male squad mate

Do you think I want Male squad mates 'macking' on my FemShep?  No.  I  turn them down, though.   Easy.  I'm a big girl and can handle such things...I'm not sure why you're so offended by it.

[Looy]

Shepard = Tough Soldier type

Male Tough Soldier Types = Generally Straight

Female Tough Soldier Types = Debatable



...that's just my reasoning for it though, I wouldn't mind if shep was gay.

[DeathCultArm]

BrianWilly wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

Again why has no othe Dev corrent him. And if i'm going to continually argue with someone it helps to know they're point. In this case the point...is worthless. Even if Asari were females....There is no *** romances in ME2, so in the end, it doesn matter anyway. Shepherd can't be ***,...hence no option to do so.

As far as I know, the devs aren't in the habit of holding public press conferences correcting each other all the time.  What does it matter?  Do you actually need a dev's final word on a subject before you can make your own opinion on it, based on real life facts and evidence?  People in this thread have explained over and over again why the Asari do have a gender, and that it is female, and that a FemShep who romanced Liara in the first game was in a lesbian relationship.  You're free to disagree with us, but "A dev said so, so that's what I think" is a very silly way to do so.

A female Shepard can be gay.  There was an option in the first game to make her gay.

Again..Even if Liara was a female in ME1..So what? Why keep bringing it up. There is no option to in ME2 so why so hell bent on defying devs, and bringing up past actions.

[Myrmedus]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

That's why I just don't think you'll see a decent amount of time invested into content for a minority. You might get little things like fish, like model ships, but you won't get fully developed scripts, dialogues etc. because from a business standpoint it's not good business.

Still, I don't have a moral or conceptual issue with it so I won't go on about it. I don't think it'll happen but meh.

Night night 

It's like you stopped reading my post halfway through...

I specifically mentioned JACK as an option put into the game that likely wouldn't appeal to a majority. JACK and her romance involves a lot of fully developed scripts, dialogues, etc.

Because your point about Jack is utter conjecture. There's absolutely no way of telling whether people will be more or less interested in pursuing a romance with Jack because it's entirely personality-based. However, people interested in pursuing same-sex vs. opposite-sex romances can be discerned.

We can say with fair authority:

People interested in same-sex romances in ME: Minority
People interested in opposite-sex romances in ME: Majority.

We can say this purely because people are generally interested in seeing romances of a sexuality that is the same as their own. Since the minority of the playerbase are either homosexual or bisexual, that correlates to the minority being interested in seeing such romances in ME.

But beyond that it's impossible to discern...you can't judge whether one particular character personality will be more attractive than another because this IS a case where people are very split and decision is based purely on perception, however when it comes to same-sex/opposite-sex there is a very clear proportion skew.

Really, I feel this shouldn't need to be explained.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 08 février 2010 - 02:50 .

[DaeJi]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Again..Even if Liara was a female in ME1..So what? Why keep bringing it up. There is no option to in ME2 so why so hell bent on defying devs, and bringing up past actions.

I cannot say for anyone else, but I've brought this up before to show that BioWare has already set the precedent when it comes to gay relationships in Mass Effect; ie they had one in the first game.

[CommanderShawn]

they started writing mass effect 3 while they was almost done with ME2 so they won't change there story which is probably that is already written midway or not through to make Shepard gay and the story is not all about romance so why is everyone so obsesses, its about saving the GALAXY so go talk about how they can improve the gameplay cause that's something they will most likely listen to not how to change there story or who will Shepard will be able to get with

[SimonTheFrog]

It's always refreshing to see how intense these conversations become... we are not talking about a default hero with a default mate of the same gender.... we are talking about having a variety of optional LI's for both male and female sheps.

Still, the sheer thought of an optional LI of the same gender makes a lot of people so unhappy that they care enough to post against it...



It's just a game and if it makes players happy (yes it does), keehla.... why not give the player the option he likes to choose for his shep.



Is that so hard to accept?



Oh, and another thing. The discussion about minority or majority of the sexual orientation of the players (and aliens for that matter) seems extremely irrelevant. It's a roleplay-game. It's fun to play roles. Why not play the role of a female shep with a crush on one of her female squadmates. Nobody needs to be gay for that. Its a friggin' game...

[Garuda One]

OPs post didn't calm anyone down it just fuels everyone more, again they should have added it. What a lame ass excuse.

[BrianWilly]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Again..Even if Liara was a female in ME1..So what? Why keep bringing it up. There is no option to in ME2 so why so hell bent on defying devs, and bringing up past actions.

By the same token, why do you care yourself?  You make it a point to correct everyone who even hints at Liara being female, and I don't understand why it should matter to you.

I care because it highlights the hypocrisy of having a female same-sex option, but not a male same-sex option.  It is hypocritical and embarrassing for Bioware and they should not be allowed to hide from it.  They made their bed, they get to lie in it.  By pretending that the Asari aren't female, the devs are trying to have their cake and eat it too, and stave off any accutations that ME2 was a big step backwards for them. "Why should we have any gay options in ME2?  We didn't have any in ME1!" Which, of course, 100% horse****.  There was gay content in ME1 just as there has been in many of their games.  Bioware does not get to pretend that there isn't, just to pander to some imaginary heteronormal backlash.

Modifié par BrianWilly, 08 février 2010 - 02:54 .

[DaeJi]

CommanderShawn wrote...

they started writing mass effect 3 while they was almost done with ME2 so they won't change there story which is probably that is already written midway or not through to make Shepard gay and the story is not all about romance so why is everyone so obsesses, its about saving the GALAXY so go talk about how they can improve the gameplay cause that's something they will most likely listen to not how to change there story or who will Shepard will be able to get with

Same sex romances will not change the story. Just the squad interactions, and it would change those a lot less than a new squadmate will. As far as gameplay goes, dialog is a huge part of Mass Effect 2's gameplay. Anything you, the player, control is gameplay.

[Naltair]

Myrmedus wrote...
Because your point about Jack is utter conjecture. There's absolutely no way of telling whether people will be more or less interested in pursuing a romance with Jack because it's entirely personality-based. However, people interested in pursuing same-sex vs. opposite-sex romances can be discerned.

We can say with fair authority:

People interested in same-sex romances in ME: Minority
People interested in opposite-sex romances in ME: Majority.

We can say this purely because people are generally interested in seeing romances of a sexuality that is the same as their own. Since the minority of the playerbase are either homosexual or bisexual, that correlates to the minority being interested in seeing such romances in ME.

But beyond that it's impossible to discern...you can't judge whether one particular character personality will be more attractive than another because this IS a case where people are very split and decision is based purely on perception, however when it comes to same-sex/opposite-sex there is a very clear proportion skew.

Really, I feel this shouldn't need to be explained.

I see your point and agree that in the case of Jack or any LI there was resources invested in making those relationships worthwhile for their intended gender target.  I am not sure how her romance is any more optional than any other romance since they are all optional content.  But a feature of the game nonetheless.

I am not sure where Mystranna is going with this.

[Lamiea]

I agree with BrianWilly, the FemShep-Liara, or, for that matter, the FemShep-Kelly, romance/relationship is a lesbian one. Sorry if you disagree with this, but both of those characters are female and a female-female relationship is a lesbian one. Quod erat demonstrandum ME2 has gay romance - id est you are incorrect.

[DeathCultArm]

DaeJi wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

Again..Even if Liara was a female in ME1..So what? Why keep bringing it up. There is no option to in ME2 so why so hell bent on defying devs, and bringing up past actions.

I cannot say for anyone else, but I've brought this up before to show that BioWare has already set the precedent when it comes to gay relationships in Mass Effect; ie they had one in the first game.

...*** romance in the first or not...They aren't  obligated to constantly implement options from their predecessors. This is different game and shouldn't be linked with the first about everything. The mako was in the first...Where is it now?

[Deviija]

Putting aside Liara and asari and the monogendered whatever, there is still KELLY in ME2. This suddenly allows for FemShep to be lesbian or bisexual. Somehow that is within the 'character constraints' for the Shepard character, yet it is not within the 'character constraints' for DudeShep to be gay or bisexual. That is the main point of irritation with Ray's explanation, as far as I see it.



Saying 'Kelly doesn't count' to the argument is silly. She does count.

[Kolaris8472]

CommanderShawn wrote...

they started writing mass effect 3 while they was almost done with ME2 so they won't change there story which is probably that is already written midway or not through to make Shepard gay and the story is not all about romance so why is everyone so obsesses, its about saving the GALAXY so go talk about how they can improve the gameplay cause that's something they will most likely listen to not how to change there story or who will Shepard will be able to get with

By all means post a gameplay improvement thread. I'd be happy to chime in. Different things matter to different people in different degrees. 

[fortunesque]

In response to the OP:



I find it sad that this was said in an interview. Bioware has continually stressed that "you're going to feel like it's YOUR Shepard". They've also touted the Mass Effect series as a completely immersing, customized experience. The way he responded to the question was a complete dodge.



And yes, I know that while Liara wasn't *technically* a woman, it still counted as a f/f relationship. Now in the second game, f/f romances have been backtracked on. M/m romances aren't even touched.



Would I have one of my Shepards be gay? No.



Do I think this means that other people's Shepards shouldn't have the option to be gay? Absolutely not.



I find it strange and very sad that they won't include these kinds of relationships in Mass Effect. That's my two cents.

[Monstruo696]

This thread is STILL alive?



Is it so hard to accept that no one gives a crap what your orientation is and you should either make do with what you get or move on? This isn't a ****ing dating sim, if Bioware wishes for Shepard to remain straight, then so be it, if not, live with it as well. Bioware already planned all three games from the start, whether or not BW will add a bi/gay relationship in ME3 has already been decided and no amount of complaining from either side will change that.

[DaeJi]

DeathCultArm wrote...
...*** romance in the first or not...They aren't  obligated to constantly implement options from their predecessors. This is different game and shouldn't be linked with the first about everything. The mako was in the first...Where is it now?

The Mako was remodeled into the new Hammerhead hover tank and will be released in a future DLC. See, a lot of things were  kept in the second game, just altered. Same sex romances (true ones with team mates) were not. They were dropped entirely. The Mako, not so much.

[DeathCultArm]

BrianWilly wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

Again..Even if Liara was a female in ME1..So what? Why keep bringing it up. There is no option to in ME2 so why so hell bent on defying devs, and bringing up past actions.

By the same token, why do you care yourself?  You make it a point to correct everyone who even hints at Liara being female, and I don't understand why it should matter to you.

I care because it highlights the hypocrisy of having a female same-sex option, but not a male same-sex option.  It is hypocritical and embarrassing for Bioware and they should not be allowed to hide from it.  They made their bed, they get to lie in it.  By pretending that the Asari aren't female, the devs are trying to have their cake and eat it too, and stave off any accutations that ME2 was a big step backwards for them. "Why should we have any gay options in ME2?  We didn't have any in ME1!" Which, of course, 100% horse****.  There was gay content in ME1 just as there has been in many of their games.  Bioware does not get to pretend that there isn't, just to pander to some imaginary heteronormal backlash.

it seems like you have an issue with society, more than the game. People expect everyone to be so self-righteous and to jus tpretend that things like bias and what not don't exist. Does Bioware have to create a situation to adhere to every single individuals preference? I understand that some Mass Effect gamers may be ***, but that does not mean that Bioware should be forced to make that an option in all of their games.

Even if Liara was a female, and there was lesbian sex in ME...That doesn't mean they have to add it here as well.

[DeathCultArm]

DaeJi wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...
...*** romance in the first or not...They aren't  obligated to constantly implement options from their predecessors. This is different game and shouldn't be linked with the first about everything. The mako was in the first...Where is it now?

The Mako was remodeled into the new Hammerhead hover tank and will be released in a future DLC. See, a lot of things were  kept in the second game, just altered. Same sex romances (true ones with team mates) were not. They were dropped entirely. The Mako, not so much.

Well the "new" lesbian sex scene is with Kelly....there problem solved. Everyone should be happy now.

[Lamiea]

DeathCultArm wrote...
 The mako was in the first...Where is it now?

Blown up in the first Normandy - if you download the DLC you can even see it at the crash site! So yeah... Epic fail there.

[DaeJi]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Well the "new" lesbian sex scene is with Kelly....there problem solved. Everyone should be happy now.

You mean the scene with no verbal interaction where the most she does is shake her butt around? If that counts, then the shuttle counts as the new Mako.










They don't count, by the way.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Myrmedus wrote...
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Dismissing my arguments as conjecture when conjecture is all you have as well. Irony.

A lot of straight people play homosexual romances. Straight guys play F/F, straight women play M/M, straight women play F/F, straight guys play M/M. Your conjecture is that they're all in a minority.

Well, BioWare still has shown optional content for minority audiences. Juhani was a lesbian, for instance.

All this compiled with my earlier points (and your own admissions) = you are using conjecture just as much as I am. That's my point. It's pointless for you to go on and on about what is or isn't "majority" when BioWare clearly doesn't dismiss all decisions based on whether or not they're a majority.

Simple.

[DeathCultArm]

DaeJi wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

Well the "new" lesbian sex scene is with Kelly....there problem solved. Everyone should be happy now.

You mean the scene with no verbal interaction where the most she does is shake her butt around? If that counts, then the shuttle counts as the new Mako.

They don't count, by the way.

*sigh* This is exactly what I mean. It's hard to take the pro-*** romance side when they're never satisfied with anything.