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[Lamiea]

Khavos wrote...
There a reason that you keep using derogatory slurs for homosexuals, out of curiosity? 

G-a-y is not necessarily a derogatory slur.  

[MrBiggens]

Khavos wrote...

MrBiggens wrote...

do you consider every Asari bisexual because they can mate with any sex of any species?

Hadn't thought about it. 

I do consider a female Shep that bangs Liara or Kelly to be at the very least bisexual, though. 

I asked that because you look at the "f/f" relationship through our perspective. (I know this is very nerdy and technical, but bare with me) Since the Asari themselves don't consider their race an 'all female race' instead as an 'asexual race'. So I don't think that a human female mating with an asexual alien being is bisexual/homosexual.

and on the whole kelly argument... the one scene is her dancing, cuddling, and sitting on your lap. i know PLENTY of girls who do that with each other and are straight w/o a homosexual thought. Strippers that dance for other girls arn't gay/bisexual. AND its not even a relationship. Bioware has said many times that its just a fling. so even if you want to include my previous argument, i also know plenty of girls that have a 1 time fling that are not gay/bisexual. therefore, Kelly is not a LI nor bisexual, and so neither is your femshep

[DeathCultArm]

Khavos wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

You do know I am strarring our gay...right?

No.  Why would you star out gay? 

Why make inferences about people? Why would I be typing constantly that, andmactually try to be serious?...?!

[Khavos]

Lamiea wrote...

Khavos wrote...
There a reason that you keep using derogatory slurs for homosexuals, out of curiosity? 

G-a-y is not necessarily a derogatory slur.  

Yeah, I didn't think he was using 'gay', 'cause 'gay' doesn't get filtered out.  

[MatronAdena]

all this talk of straight, gay or bi Sheps.....leaving us Poor Pan sheps out in the cold * sniff sniff*

[BrianWilly]

DeathCultArm wrote...

There's alot of things they could add that would make alot of people happy....doesn' mean they should. And if they had taken out either Jacob/Thane/Garrus out in replacement for a lesbian romances then everyone would've complained about them not being a LI. You can pleas everyoene why try?

Who said they shyed away? Maybe thye just didn't want to add a *** LI...That is actually possible.

Why should they have to take out anyone in order to put in gay content?  Because of time constraints?  They had the time to craft six different romantic options for the game; they had more than enough time to have one or two bisexual options in the midst.

This is why all the "I don't want them to waste time making gay content when they could be making other content" arguments fall flat for me.  The point isn't to have them make gay content in addition to the straight content, the point is that if they had developed gay content alongside the straight content -- like they did for ME1 -- none of it would be a problem in the first place.

[Lamiea]

DeathCultArm wrote...
The Mako carried over just as much as much as a *** romances did.

So you would agree that they both carried over? Because they did.

The mako wasn't in, and will be added later ad DLC.

Incorrect. The Mako is already in ME2, you see it in the opening and then later at the Normandy crash site. 

Well Liara is in the game, but the only *** romance is with Kelly a new character.

Nope. If you continue the romance FemShep and Liara will make out when they meet. Also, if you romance Liara her picture will be on your desk - something that you will lovingly gaze at if you don't cheat on her.

So..yeah..

So, yeah, you're still wrong.

[Khavos]

MrBiggens wrote...

I asked that because you look at the "f/f" relationship through our perspective. (I know this is very nerdy and technical, but bare with me) Since the Asari themselves don't consider their race an 'all female race' instead as an 'asexual race'. So I don't think that a human female mating with an asexual alien being is bisexual/homosexual.

and on the whole kelly argument... the one scene is her dancing, cuddling, and sitting on your lap. i know PLENTY of girls who do that with each other and are straight w/o a homosexual thought. Strippers that dance for other girls arn't gay/bisexual. AND its not even a relationship. Bioware has said many times that its just a fling. so even if you want to include my previous argument, i also know plenty of girls that have a 1 time fling that are not gay/bisexual. therefore, Kelly is not a LI nor bisexual, and so neither is your femshep

Alright.  So Liara wouldn't consider it a homosexual relationship, if we grant that she's not female - which the in-game codex says she is.

Either way?  Female Shepard would view it as a homosexual relationship, 'cause you just said that our (human) perspective would view it as such.

And no, you don't know PLENTY of girls who dance for each other, sit on each other's laps and stroke each other's arms, and cuddle lovingly in bed without being lesbians.  

But, going with your "logic" for a second, I see absolutely no reason why male Shepard couldn't have a "1 time fling" and still not be gay/bisexual.  Agreed?

[Lamiea]

Khavos wrote...

Lamiea wrote...

Khavos wrote...
There a reason that you keep using derogatory slurs for homosexuals, out of curiosity? 

G-a-y is not necessarily a derogatory slur.  

Yeah, I didn't think he was using 'gay', 'cause 'gay' doesn't get filtered out.  

Opps. It was on the old forums. My mistake. 

[MrBiggens]

BrianWilly wrote...

if they had developed gay content alongside the straight content -- like they did for ME1 -- none of it would be a problem in the first place.

your problem is that they didn't have any gay content in the first. Asari's are:
1. Asexual, as they themselves have said.
2. Not all bisexual because they can mate with any sex of any species.

you fail.

[DeathCultArm]

BrianWilly wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

There's alot of things they could add that would make alot of people happy....doesn' mean they should. And if they had taken out either Jacob/Thane/Garrus out in replacement for a lesbian romances then everyone would've complained about them not being a LI. You can pleas everyoene why try?

Who said they shyed away? Maybe thye just didn't want to add a *** LI...That is actually possible.

Why should they have to take out anyone in order to put in gay content?  Because of time constraints?  They had the time to craft six different romantic options for the game; they had more than enough time to have one or two bisexual options in the midst.

This is why all the "I don't want them to waste time making gay content when they could be making other content" arguments fall flat for me.  The point isn't to have them make gay content in addition to the straight content, the point is that if they had developed gay content alongside the straight content -- like they did for ME1 -- none of it would be a problem in the first place.

Let me get this straight you want them to add all new charatcers...Just so there can be *** romances? There was only 3 in the first game...They DOUBLED that and people still want more.

Seriously, never satisfied.

[Khavos]

MrBiggens wrote...

BrianWilly wrote...

if they had developed gay content alongside the straight content -- like they did for ME1 -- none of it would be a problem in the first place.

your problem is that they didn't have any gay content in the first. Asari's are:
1. Asexual, as they themselves have said.
2. Not all bisexual because they can mate with any sex of any species.

you fail.

They're not asexual, actually.  You just don't know what that word means.

They're an all-female race, according to the codices in ME1 and ME2.  But this argument's been gone over countless times before.  It doesn't matter.  You yourself said humans view them as female.  

[DeathCultArm]

Lamiea wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...
The Mako carried over just as much as much as a *** romances did.

So you would agree that they both carried over? Because they did.

The mako wasn't in, and will be added later ad DLC.

Incorrect. The Mako is already in ME2, you see it in the opening and then later at the Normandy crash site. 

Well Liara is in the game, but the only *** romance is with Kelly a new character.

Nope. If you continue the romance FemShep and Liara will make out when they meet. Also, if you romance Liara her picture will be on your desk - something that you will lovingly gaze at if you don't cheat on her.

So..yeah..

So, yeah, you're still wrong.

*scowls*....You DON"Tuse the mako in ME2. You DON"T have sex with Liara in ME2. You are given an all new vehile, and a all new *** romance...

[Lamiea]

[quote]MrBiggens wrote...
 i know PLENTY of girls who do that with each other and are straight w/o a homosexual thought.
[quote]

Heh. I wish I knew more girls like that, it might make my life more exciting. 

[quote]
Strippers that dance for other girls arn't gay/bisexual.[/quote]

Strippers are paid to do that, it's their job - in fact to say that strippers dancing is the same as a lesbian relationship is insulting.

[BrianWilly]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Let me get this straight you want them to add all new charatcers...Just so there can be *** romances? There was only 3 in the first game...They DOUBLED that and people still want more.

Seriously, never satisfied.

No, ideally I would have liked some of the existing ME2 squadmates to be potentially pursuable by both genders, just like how ME1 was originally conceived.  There are six of them.  Three of them aren't even human.  Bioware ****ing stacked the deck with varied, diverse, interesting characters.  And yet not a one of them is a potential option for gay content?

Though honestly, if you don't think that Jack and Thane were originally conceived as bisexual options, I'm not sure what I can say.

Furthermore, I'm not sure how you can say that I'm "never satisfied" considering that having six straight romance options was not what I wanted in the first place. How can I be "never satisfied" if I never actually got anything I wanted?

Modifié par BrianWilly, 08 février 2010 - 03:58 .

[MrBiggens]

Khavos wrote...

MrBiggens wrote...

I asked that because you look at the "f/f" relationship through our perspective. (I know this is very nerdy and technical, but bare with me) Since the Asari themselves don't consider their race an 'all female race' instead as an 'asexual race'. So I don't think that a human female mating with an asexual alien being is bisexual/homosexual.

and on the whole kelly argument... the one scene is her dancing, cuddling, and sitting on your lap. i know PLENTY of girls who do that with each other and are straight w/o a homosexual thought. Strippers that dance for other girls arn't gay/bisexual. AND its not even a relationship. Bioware has said many times that its just a fling. so even if you want to include my previous argument, i also know plenty of girls that have a 1 time fling that are not gay/bisexual. therefore, Kelly is not a LI nor bisexual, and so neither is your femshep

Alright.  So Liara wouldn't consider it a homosexual relationship, if we grant that she's not female - which the in-game codex says she is.

No, the codex gives a human perception on the galaxy. Talk to Liara again from the first. she says (and i dont remember verbatum) that 'your views of male and female genders dont apply to us'. So, because humans see Asari's as all female means they're all female?

Either way?  Female Shepard would view it as a homosexual relationship, 'cause you just said that our (human) perspective would view it as such.

as i said previously, so because we as humans see asari as an all female race means they are?

And no, you don't know PLENTY of girls who dance for each other, sit on each other's laps and stroke each other's arms, and cuddle lovingly in bed without being lesbians.  

i'm in college. i know plenty of girls who do. plz dont argue that point, cuz every college student will say your wrong.

But, going with your "logic" for a second, I see absolutely no reason why male Shepard couldn't have a "1 time fling" and still not be gay/bisexual.  Agreed?

lol why is 'my logic' in quotes?

anyways, so because a femshep had a 1 time fling, you're saying that maleshep should have a 1 time fling? I didn't know the game had to be perfectly symmetrical, offering the exact same things to each side. Being paragon/renegade doesn't net the same outcomes, so why should sexual preference?

[Lamiea]

DeathCultArm wrote...
You DON"Tuse the mako in ME2

So? It still carries over.

You DON"T have sex with Liara in ME2.

So? The romance carries over.

You are given an all new vehile, and a all new *** romance...

So? The old ones carry over too. I do not think you understand that fact.

Modifié par Lamiea, 08 février 2010 - 03:58 .

[MatronAdena]

LostScout wrote...

Kelly states to your Shepard that she thinks intimacy increases understanding, she cares about the person, not what species or gender they are. Yes, she is most definitely bi.

Kelly is hard to pin.... her focus on personality, empathy and such suggest Pan yet she also is very very sexually aggressive...which is more Bi. Tough call on her.  I consider her Tri ( yes the joke try-anything) I blame her for the Scale itch on the ship.

[MrBiggens]

Khavos wrote...

MrBiggens wrote...

BrianWilly wrote...

if they had developed gay content alongside the straight content -- like they did for ME1 -- none of it would be a problem in the first place.

your problem is that they didn't have any gay content in the first. Asari's are:
1. Asexual, as they themselves have said.
2. Not all bisexual because they can mate with any sex of any species.

you fail.

They're not asexual, actually.  You just don't know what that word means.

They're an all-female race, according to the codices in ME1 and ME2.  But this argument's been gone over countless times before.  It doesn't matter.  You yourself said humans view them as female.  

asexual=monogendered. get technical all you want. i'm right, your wrong. you, like every1 else, twists what i say to make it fit you because you dont like what i say.

[DeathCultArm]

BrianWilly wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

Let me get this straight you want them to add all new charatcers...Just so there can be *** romances? There was only 3 in the first game...They DOUBLED that and people still want more.

Seriously, never satisfied.

No, ideally I would have liked some of the existing ME2 squadmates to be potentially pursuable by both genders, just like how ME1 was originally conceived.  There are six of them.  Three of them aren't even human.  Bioware ****ing stacked the deck with varied, diverse, interesting characters.  And yet not a one of them is a potential option for gay content?

Though honestly, if you don't think that Jack and Thane were originally conceived as bisexual options, I'm not sure what I can say.

The reaction I imagine to *** DLC would be interesting I mean even then it would be"oh well this LI isn't a good as the others".

Wether or not Jack or Thane were initally bi...means nothing. Jack had a girlfriend...so. Thane, I don't really know about him. But they're aren't **** so sooner or later people will have to accept that and move on. Six LI's and still... not enough.

[Lamiea]

MrBiggens wrote...

And no, you don't know PLENTY of girls who dance for each other, sit on each other's laps and stroke each other's arms, and cuddle lovingly in bed without being lesbians.  

i'm in college. i know plenty of girls who do. plz dont argue that point, cuz every college student will say your wrong.

I'm also in college, in fact I've been in college for years, and I, again, say that this is not usual. Sorry, but I just don;t believe you at all.

[MrBiggens]

Lamiea wrote...

MrBiggens wrote...
 i know PLENTY of girls who do that with each other and are straight w/o a homosexual thought.

Heh. I wish I knew more girls like that, it might make my life more exciting.

thats cool, using someone for their indifference. very mature.

Strippers that dance for other girls arn't gay/bisexual.

Strippers are paid to do that, it's their job - in fact to say that strippers dancing is the same as a lesbian relationship is insulting.

i know... thats what i was saying. i was referring to Kelly dancing for your shep. Saying its a f/f romance cuz Kelly is dancing for another girl doesnt mean its gay...

[Niorcs]

Khavos wrote...

MrBiggens wrote...

BrianWilly wrote...

if they had developed gay content alongside the straight content -- like they did for ME1 -- none of it would be a problem in the first place.

your problem is that they didn't have any gay content in the first. Asari's are:
1. Asexual, as they themselves have said.
2. Not all bisexual because they can mate with any sex of any species.

you fail.

They're not asexual, actually.  You just don't know what that word means.

They're an all-female race, according to the codices in ME1 and ME2.  But this argument's been gone over countless times before.  It doesn't matter.  You yourself said humans view them as female.  

I think it needs a bit more clarification- there's a different between sex, self-gender, and preference. The asari are biologically female (birthing a child, probably feeding), but due to only having one gender, they are monogendered. As an individual, they probably wouldn't identify as nessecarily female because they don't have any other genders in their species to compare to.

As for preference, I assume that they could prefer females, males, and anything in between equally and unequally.

[MrBiggens]

Lamiea wrote...

MrBiggens wrote...

And no, you don't know PLENTY of girls who dance for each other, sit on each other's laps and stroke each other's arms, and cuddle lovingly in bed without being lesbians.  

i'm in college. i know plenty of girls who do. plz dont argue that point, cuz every college student will say your wrong.

I'm also in college, in fact I've been in college for years, and I, again, say that this is not usual. Sorry, but I just don;t believe you at all.

lol maybe getting out and meeting other people might help.

and idc if you believe me or not lol. im not here to persuade the stubborn

Modifié par MrBiggens, 08 février 2010 - 04:04 .