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[Anthropophobic]

Brahlis wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

No one is being homophobic. I don't see how keeping it normal is being homophobic. You all act like you're entitled to a m/m or f/f romance. No, you're not.

But, there are possible f/f romances and 'encounters' but no m/m ones.  FemShep can be a lesbian, but DudeShep cannot be gay.  Something's up with that.

Would you stop with the lesbian line? Asari are asexual. Just because they LOOK female does not mean they are not. And in all liklihood the femshep with Liara option was added BECAUSE there would have been no femshep romance otherwise. So how about you quit the whining and just be thankful they threw femsheps a bone to begin with.

Seriously, stop with the Asari garbage already.

And @ person that said "they're not entitled to my money". If you're playing the game for the god damn romance then that's ****ing pathetic and I'm glad you're not buying the game.

The Codex in the first game specifically says that asari are all female. The stages of their lives are all feminine words, two of which come from the Latin word mater, which means "mother." Plus, they've got boobs. They're female.

[Brahlis]

Anthropophobic wrote...
Because homosexuality isn't normal. Right?

Normal? No. It's a genetic mutation, so technically it's natural, but it's still not normal.

And I wasn't talking about the moron relating it to beastiality. That's going way over the line. I'm talking about how most people that are for same-sex romance in ME typically call people against it a bunch of homophobes, which is untrue.

Modifié par Brahlis, 07 février 2010 - 05:56 .

[Taura-Tierno]

Isn't it quite common for developers/authors/whatever to answer questions like that, when they don't want to give an answer? I mean, they've either decided and don't want to say what they've decided, or they haven't decided yet. It's impossible to say what's going to happen. They just answered the question with giving an answer. If they wanted people to know that there will be no gay romances, they would have said "No". So the interview is quite irrelevant on the topic, although it explains why they could leave it out, if that's what they decide to do.

[77boy84]

Forwen wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

There already is a canon shep. <_<
Just start a new game of ME2 without importing and you'll see it.

The same way there is canon Revan? Nope.

There actually IS a canon revan though.

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

Forwen wrote...

Sir, I'm detecting a canonical bland white male space marine on my long-range scanners!

A character's worth is only decided by his sexuality!
I agree!

I
don't care what either of you think, I am telling my Sheps stories the
way I want to tell them not how some sad lowlifes deem I should.

If
you'll note I said IF he hadn't fallen in love with Liara, he probably
would have eventually fallen for the charms of Tali, he ain't a stupid
'girl in every port' kind of marine. So your scanners are seriously
messed up if you are thinking that.

Edit: @77boy84 if you were being sarcastic in response to Forwen's comment, I apologise for tarring you with the same brush.

@Forwen grow up

I was in fact being sarcastic.
No biggie, sarcasm is hard on the internet.

[Brahlis]

Anthropophobic wrote...
The Codex in the first game specifically says that asari are all female. The stages of their lives are all feminine words, two of which come from the Latin word mater, which means "mother." Plus, they've got boobs. They're female.

The point is: Asari can reproduce with anyone regardless of gender. Thus, it's not gay.

Modifié par Brahlis, 07 février 2010 - 05:58 .

[JerseySeven]

I haven't played a female Shepard in ME2 yet (I did in ME1 and enjoyed my romance with Liara). Online romance guides for ME2 report that there is no f/f options for a female Shepard (other than suggestive talk with Kelly). Are the reports wrong? If so, who is a possibility? Certainly not Miranda.

[Kolaris8472]

Brahlis wrote...

Would you stop with the lesbian line? Asari are asexual. Just because they LOOK female does not mean they are not. And in all liklihood the femshep with Liara option was added BECAUSE there would have been no secondary femshep romance otherwise. And then we would hear the whiners come out about how maleshep has two options while femshep has one.

Seriously, stop with the Asari garbage already.

Alright, then what about Kelley? 

[Anthropophobic]

Brahlis wrote...

Anthropophobic wrote...
Because homosexuality isn't normal. Right?

Normal? No. It's a genetic mutation, so technically it's natural, but it's still not normal.

And I wasn't talking about the moron relating it to beastiality. That's going way over the line. I'm talking about how most people that are for same-sex romance in ME typically call people against it a bunch of homophobes, which is untrue.

There is no proof that homosexuality is a genetic mutation. However, for the sake of argument, let's say it is. Blue eyes are also a genetic mutation. What do you think about blue eyes? Normal or not normal?

[Movodor]

Brahlis wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Brahlis wrote...

No one is being homophobic. I don't see how keeping it normal is being homophobic. You all act like you're entitled to a m/m or f/f romance. No, you're not.

But, there are possible f/f romances and 'encounters' but no m/m ones.  FemShep can be a lesbian, but DudeShep cannot be gay.  Something's up with that.

Would you stop with the lesbian line? Asari are asexual. Just because they LOOK female does not mean they are not. And in all liklihood the femshep with Liara option was added BECAUSE there would have been no secondary femshep romance otherwise. And then we would hear the whiners come out about how maleshep has two options while femshep has one.

Seriously, stop with the Asari garbage already.

And @ person that said "they're not entitled to my money". If you're playing the game for the god damn romance then that's ****ing pathetic and I'm glad you're not buying the game.

Quoting from the ME1 codex entry on the Asari..Specifically, 'Asari:Biology'

.."Although Asari have one gender, they are not asexual."

[Inverness Moon]

Whether the asari are technically female or not is irrelevant. Mass Effect was made by humans and asari were based off of the human female form. It doesn't matter how you dress it up and pretend its not what it looks like, asari will be considered female to everyone who isn't deluding themselves.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 07 février 2010 - 06:00 .

[jlb524]

Brahlis wrote...

Would you stop with the lesbian line? Asari are asexual. Just because they LOOK female does not mean they are not. And in all liklihood the femshep with Liara option was added BECAUSE there would have been no secondary femshep romance otherwise. And then we would hear the whiners come out about how maleshep has two options while femshep has one.

Seriously, stop with the Asari garbage already.

*coughs*Kelly and FemShep*coughs*

[Brahlis]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Alright, then what about Kelley? 

So her dancing for you equates to a lesbian relationship?

You haven't been around many women in your lifetime, have you?

[77boy84]

Shavon wrote...

Brahlis wrote...


Would you stop with the lesbian line? Asari are asexual. Just because they LOOK female does not mean they are not. And in all liklihood the femshep with Liara option was added BECAUSE there would have been no secondary femshep romance otherwise. And then we would hear the whiners come out about how maleshep has two options while femshep has one.

Seriously, stop with the Asari garbage already.

And @ person that said "they're not entitled to my money". If you're playing the game for the god damn romance then that's ****ing pathetic and I'm glad you're not buying the game.

There is also the option for Kelly, and the Asari line is perfectly valid.   There's more to the issue that just romance, it's the fact that the Bioware workers are not being straightforward, stringing people with questions on these issues along with vague answers.  Then we buy the games, they get the sale.  It's very deceptive.

They should just include an m/m option.  The have for other games, and many of us can see Shepard swinging that way. I think Bioware should stop being afraid of displeasing the shooter crowd and stay true to themselves..

But whatever, I'm just apart of the fringe group.<_<

Maybe bioware just doesn't want to give Shepard a gay romance.
Ever think of that?

[Inverness Moon]

Brahlis wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Alright, then what about Kelley? 

So her dancing for you equates to a lesbian relationship?

You haven't been around many women in your lifetime, have you?

You're deluding yourself.

[Movodor]

Brahlis wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Alright, then what about Kelley? 

So her dancing for you equates to a lesbian relationship?

You haven't been around many women in your lifetime, have you?

generally this doesn't involve stripper dances and cuddling like that in bed, with said stripper uniform.

[Forwen]

77boy84 wrote...

There actually IS a canon revan though.

Yeah, and what I'm saying is that I suspect BioWare are slowly drifting towards a canon Shepard by gradually limiting role-playing choices, which I feel already started by looking at how Shep was written in ME1 as compared to 2. Doesn't concern m/m since it was never in there in the first place, but the way Muzyka worded his answer just added to my suspicion.

[Brahlis]

Anthropophobic wrote...
There is no proof that homosexuality is a genetic mutation. However, for the sake of argument, let's say it is. Blue eyes are also a genetic mutation. What do you think about blue eyes? Normal or not normal?

I'm not going to get into this argument on here because people will just take it the wrong way. But traits like eye color, hair color, etc does not affect human behavior like the lust for the same sex. It's completely different. I don't believe homosexuality is a choice, you're born with it, thus it's genetic. And since it does not contribute anything to the species overall, it is a genetic mutation.

But who cares. The fact is is that Bioware doesn't want Shepard to be gay/lesbian. It's that simple.

[Kolaris8472]

Brahlis wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Alright, then what about Kelley? 

So her dancing for you equates to a lesbian relationship?

You haven't been around many women in your lifetime, have you?

Ok, just so long as we're fine with Jacob doing his ab-dance for Male Shephards. 

[the_devils_aid]

AdamNW wrote...

Putting aside the fact that Liara doesn't count as a F/F romance, it does seem kinda weird that the devs chose to never have a M/M romance, considering it's an open ended story.

I understand what they mean by Third Person Story compared to First Person Story, but I don't see why gay romances would be affected by it.

because shepard isnt gay?

[Mox Ruuga]

Anthropophobic wrote...

The Codex in the first game specifically says that asari are all female. The stages of their lives are all feminine words, two of which come from the Latin word mater, which means "mother." Plus, they've got boobs. They're female.

It's one thing to say asari are not "technically female".

It's quite another to say that a human female / asari romance is not a F/F relationship as far as the human would consider it. Let's face it, the asari are generally even more feminine than the human females of Mass Effect. They tend to have prettier and more traditionally attractive features as well. Even the somewhat more androgynous looking Aria has those skin tight pants showing off very feminine legs. And high heels, IIRC.

[Strimple]

77boy84 wrote...

Maybe bioware just doesn't want to give Shepard a gay romance.
Ever think of that?

My thoughts exactly.  I am not homophobic and wouldn't care if Shepard and Kaiden could get together in the first game or Shep and Jacob in the sceond....I do however care about consistency when it comes to stories in my games and I really think adding it in the third game would seem forced and clearly after Ray's comment something they don't want to do.  Mass Effect is a great franchise because they are telling the story they want to, and forcing them to put something in they don't feel belongs would negatively affect the game as a whole.

[Brahlis]

Shavon wrote...
The only problem with that is, they have included dialogue writing for m/m romance scenes, and they were cut last minute for one reason or another.  So that is out.

Cut at the last minute? How do you know it was the last minute? It could've been something that was considered at the begining and then cut out mid-way through because they decided they didn't want to do it. Don't sensationalize it.

Here's what we do know: In the past two games it wasn't been there. It's a pretty damn good indication that they don't want it in this trilogy. It makes sense not to start it up if it wasn't in the past two games.

In future ME games past the trilogy? I think we'll see it, personally.