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[Khavos]

[quote]MrBiggens wrote...
so then maybe we need a new term for a male or female mating with a monogendered species?
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Jesus Christ, clearly I need to break this down as simply as possible:

What would you call a woman who enters into a romantic relationship with someone she considers to be female?

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lol as i told the other dude on here, maybe you should get out more.
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I got out plenty when I was in a frat, and know the difference between what dumb college chicks do when they're trying to get attention versus what they do when they're completely alone with each other.  If you like, though, I'll ask my girlfriend for clarification tomorrow.  I'm sure you'll do the same.

[quote]your saying because they have the ability to put in a homosexual m/m 1 time fling because you can have a f/f 1 time fling means they should do so? i dont see how that makes sense... as i said before when you dodged what i said, since when do both sides of any choice have to be symmetrically equal? why doesn't paragon shepard get everything that renegade shepard gets and vice versa? [/quote]

Paragon Shepard does get everything Renegade Shepard gets, save Paragon/Renegade points.  So your answer to, "Why not put it in the mythical one-time non-homosexual male-on-male fling?" is "Why should they?" 

In other words, you'd have no problem with it being in the game, you just don't see a compelling reason to put it in?

[ERJAK2]

MrBiggens wrote...

Khavos wrote...

MrBiggens wrote...

asexual=monogendered. get technical all you want. i'm right, your wrong. you, like every1 else, twists what i say to make it fit you because you dont like what i say.

Dude, it's not hard to go to dictionary.com.  Why would you want to be wrong about the same thing twice in a row? 

i did. and the funny part of this is that i even corrected myself by replacing asexual with monogendered, even though the Asari ARE asexual

The new ME2 codex SPECIFICALLY  states that the Asari are NOT asexual. Of all the things that can be argued about their physiology this is not one of them.

[Myrmedus]

MrBiggens wrote...

Khavos wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Indeed it's just a common BS fantasy invented by alot of guys because they weirdly seem to 'get off' on such stuff.

That's not quite true.  College girls will definitely attention **** in that manner.  The liar's making the claim that they do that sort of thing, alone, all the time, which is laughable, and any non-lesbian asked would agree that it's laughable. 

lolol im a liar. well i guess theres no point in talkin 2 this dude anymore. have fun bro lol

Sorry but it is entirely stereotypical BS.

[Khavos]

MrBiggens wrote...

Khavos wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Indeed it's just a common BS fantasy invented by alot of guys because they weirdly seem to 'get off' on such stuff.

That's not quite true.  College girls will definitely attention **** in that manner.  The liar's making the claim that they do that sort of thing, alone, all the time, which is laughable, and any non-lesbian asked would agree that it's laughable. 

lolol im a liar. well i guess theres no point in talkin 2 this dude anymore. have fun bro lol

You are.  If it's any consolation, you're not a good one.  

[DeathCultArm]

Lamiea wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

You are being literal and not adknowledging points.

Because you are not making any.

You don't use the mako, so why even include it...

Because it's something that ties the two games together - just like Taili or Liara 

and you don't romance Liara, despite it being in.

Wrong, you can romance her as long as you had a romance started in ME1. 

The real point is there is no *** romances in ME1 or ME2.

Heh. Massive fail.

Seriously, you have no point and need to just admit you have something against me, or just like repeating yourself while not making sense.

How does the Mako tie the games together? You don use it, it mine as wight not be there. Liara is in but you don't romance her you "continue" the relationship but there is no romance. And there wasn't a *** romance in ME1, and the one in this one no one adknowledged it b/c it not up tot heir uber high standards.

[Lamiea]

MrBiggens wrote...

Lamiea wrote...

MrBiggens wrote...

And no, you don't know PLENTY of girls who dance for each other, sit on each other's laps and stroke each other's arms, and cuddle lovingly in bed without being lesbians.  

i'm in college. i know plenty of girls who do. plz dont argue that point, cuz every college student will say your wrong.

I'm also in college, in fact I've been in college for years, and I, again, say that this is not usual. Sorry, but I just don;t believe you at all.

lol maybe getting out and meeting other people might help.

Oh I get out an meet people, in fact I meet the very people who would likely act as you claim, but yet I do not find that behavior. I do not find this anywhere - and, as I said, that is a pity as I would not mind it if more girls acted in that manner. Although it might make finding someone to date a bit harder. 

[MrBiggens]

Khavos wrote...

your saying because they have the ability to put in a homosexual m/m 1 time fling because you can have a f/f 1 time fling means they should do so? i dont see how that makes sense... as i said before when you dodged what i said, since when do both sides of any choice have to be symmetrically equal? why doesn't paragon shepard get everything that renegade shepard gets and vice versa?

Paragon Shepard does get everything Renegade Shepard gets, save Paragon/Renegade points.  So your answer to, "Why not put it in the mythical one-time non-homosexual male-on-male fling?" is "Why should they?" 

In other words, you'd have no problem with it being in the game, you just don't see a compelling reason to put it in?

renegade shepard doesnt get Legion. and thats just one. you fail. stop talking plz. you'll only embarass yourself further

[Myrmedus]

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Kolaris8472 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

BrianWilly wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...

There is no evidence. BUT you're being biased. To think BW needs to add *** romances b/c they did it before is trivial, and makes no sense. Just b/c it's not in they're afraid..?..?! Sure there's no reason not to add it...but there's no reason TO add it either.

Your aruement seems very one sided.

What do you mean there would be no reason to add it?  The reason to add it would be that it would make me, and a whole lot of other players, much happier.  The loss in sales, if any at all, would be completely negligible.  Bioware has a healthy GLBT fanbase who follows their games because of their positive portrayal of gay content in the past.

Same would be said if they didn't add it though...the loss of sales would be completely negligible. The same amount of people who'd actually not buy the game because it lacked same-sex romance would probably be as insignificant as the red-neck hicks who wouldn't buy it purely because of the inclusion of said romances.

However, the advantage of not adding it would mean more free development time rather than using some of that time spent on what is, quite honestly, an afterthought. More time spent on mainstream parts of the game like plot and cinematography produces an overall better product for the people who purchase it, who will be roughly the same amount as if they did include same-sex romance.

This is what I've been trying to get at for the best part of an hour now: there's no logical reason to include them from BW's perspective.

I disagree with this. In a couple cases, all they had to do was have Hale/Meer read the same lines as the other did. That was quite literally, it. They chose not to let them for other reasons beyond time constraints. 

Now whether they should be working on adding them right now, ok, time plays a factor. 

Naw there's more to it. We both know BW and generally they don't do tacked on, which is how it would feel if it was literally just a couple of lines. 

In addition you'd need to create a scene, deal with the animations, rig the conversation paths etc. it'd take time. Not a huge amount of time, probably 2-3 days of solid work, but more time that - say - a fish pet.

Not to mention we're also forgetting to consider whether the voice actors in question would have issues with acting out a same-sex relationship dialogue. I know it sounds funny but you'd be surprised sometimes....

I just think if you guys are really serious about this you're probably better off petitioning for it to be in the next BW narrative game rather than in ME....

Have you seen the model switch scenes on youtube for the romances? They look fine. Conversation paths would be copy-paste. I don't think Hale would have a problem with it given ME1, Meer, couldn't say. I'm not even sure the other voice actors could dispute it because it would be the exact same dialog used for the the other gender romance. 

Would it feel tacked on? Not for Thane, Jack or Tali in my opinion. They were already that gender-neutral. 

I honestly don't care about whether there are same-sex romances in future BW titles. Good if there are, fine if there aren't. I'm interested in the characters in these games specifically. 

This quote box is getting ****ing ridiculous

Anyway I still think they'd 'feel' tacked on but if you guys were happy with that I don't see the issue anyway. As I said my main concern is that development time being derived from the main plot...and don't get me wrong it's not just same-sex romances I have issue with here, if the plot is lacking (like it was in ME2 IMO) I get pissed off with opposite-sex romances aswell even with characters I like (Tali). This is purely because I believe if that time was invested in the core plot it would be much improved and thus so would the game overall, since a quality core plot is more important than some niche romances.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 08 février 2010 - 04:17 .

[KalosCast]

MrBiggens wrote...

Khavos wrote...

MrBiggens wrote...

asexual=monogendered. get technical all you want. i'm right, your wrong. you, like every1 else, twists what i say to make it fit you because you dont like what i say.

Dude, it's not hard to go to dictionary.com.  Why would you want to be wrong about the same thing twice in a row? 

i did. and the funny part of this is that i even corrected myself by replacing asexual with monogendered, even though the Asari ARE asexual

The Asari require genetic information from two partners, and are therefore sexually reproductive. They just don't get it in a human fashion.

[Mlow44]

i don't care if gays can marry. they can do whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't affect me. when it enters my video games, however, it affects me. perish the thought that Commander Shepard, alien tail-chaser second only perhaps to Captain Kirk, would seek the love of another man... it perverts the ideal Shepard I've come to admire

[MrBiggens]

ight well to every1 else tries to win every argument I make with the Straw Man Fallacy, have fun. i gave it 30 min then had 2 call it quits lol. such thick headed, stubborn people in here... dayum lol.

[ERJAK2]

MrBiggens wrote...

Khavos wrote...

your saying because they have the ability to put in a homosexual m/m 1 time fling because you can have a f/f 1 time fling means they should do so? i dont see how that makes sense... as i said before when you dodged what i said, since when do both sides of any choice have to be symmetrically equal? why doesn't paragon shepard get everything that renegade shepard gets and vice versa?

Paragon Shepard does get everything Renegade Shepard gets, save Paragon/Renegade points.  So your answer to, "Why not put it in the mythical one-time non-homosexual male-on-male fling?" is "Why should they?" 

In other words, you'd have no problem with it being in the game, you just don't see a compelling reason to put it in?

renegade shepard doesnt get Legion. and thats just one. you fail. stop talking plz. you'll only embarass yourself further

Oh, the guy who still thinks the Asari are asexual has spoken, all bow to his superior knowledge.<_<

[Lamiea]

DeathCultArm wrote...
You don use it, it mine as wight not be there.

So should Wrex not be in the game? You don't "use" him either.

Liara is in but you don't romance her you "continue" the relationship but there is no romance.

Sex does not equal romance, sorry but that's just not true. 

And there wasn't a *** romance in ME1

Nope. Liara was a lesbian romance if you were FemShep.

[UsagiVindaloo]

Mlow44 wrote...

i don't care if gays can marry. they can do whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't affect me. when it enters my video games, however, it affects me. perish the thought that Commander Shepard, alien tail-chaser second only perhaps to Captain Kirk, would seek the love of another man... it perverts the ideal Shepard I've come to admire

But your Shepard wouldn't be gay. Your Shepard would still be master alien tail-chaser extrodinaire, willing to sleep with anything as long as it had vaguely mammalian boobs. Just because my Shepard would be struggling between his feelings for Liara, his attraction to Tali, and the weird twirly feeling in his gut whenever Thane smiles at him doesn't negate your Shepard or make him gay in any way.


In other words, dialog trees are exactly that... trees. No one is forcing you to take the path down to the romance option!

[DeathCultArm]

Even if Liara was a female, people act like b/c that would make lesbain sex in ME1 it has to be in ME2. It's not the same game, there is a new publisher and a new target audience. Not every little detail will have to be carried over.

[BrianWilly]

DeathCultArm wrote...
What YOU want....we all want something..It doen't mean BW has to add it. What option is better for the majority of gamers? Six romance? Or less, with *** romances...There's no way to add them without shunning those who prefer the heterosexual ones.

Or,

Six romances, with two out of those six -- one male and one female -- being bisexual options that both male and female Shepards could potentially pursue, much like Liara in the first game.  The remaining four being straight.

There.  In less than a minute I just made everyone happy.

You don't even have to change a lot, if any, of the dialogue: if you'll notice, pretty much all romance dialogue for all romance options are entirely gender-neutral.  Meer and Hale had recorded same-sex romance dialogue for the first game; there's no reason to think they didn't for the second game.

[Myrmedus]

MrBiggens wrote...

ight well to every1 else tries to win every argument I make with the Straw Man Fallacy, have fun. i gave it 30 min then had 2 call it quits lol. such thick headed, stubborn people in here... dayum lol.

www.world-english.org/onlineschool_free.htm

[ERJAK2]

Mlow44 wrote...

i don't care if gays can marry. they can do whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't affect me. when it enters my video games, however, it affects me. perish the thought that Commander Shepard, alien tail-chaser second only perhaps to Captain Kirk, would seek the love of another man... it perverts the ideal Shepard I've come to admire

Great sarcasm(if that's the intent.)

[Myrmedus]

UsagiVindaloo wrote...

Mlow44 wrote...

i don't care if gays can marry. they can do whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't affect me. when it enters my video games, however, it affects me. perish the thought that Commander Shepard, alien tail-chaser second only perhaps to Captain Kirk, would seek the love of another man... it perverts the ideal Shepard I've come to admire

But your Shepard wouldn't be gay. Your Shepard would still be master alien tail-chaser extrodinaire, willing to sleep with anything as long as it had vaguely mammalian boobs. Just because my Shepard would be struggling between his feelings for Liara, his attraction to Tali, and the weird twirly feeling in his gut whenever Thane smiles at him doesn't negate your Shepard or make him gay in any way.


In other words, dialog trees are exactly that... trees. No one is forcing you to take the path down to the romance option!

It's fine as long as they really do fork the options properly like that, however considering how easy it was to pretty much 'fall into' a romance in ME2 I'm honestly wondering if that would be the case.... A single option on the wheel chosen wrongly = I'm chatting up Garrus for a snog.

Yeech....

Modifié par Myrmedus, 08 février 2010 - 04:23 .

[DeathCultArm]

Lamiea wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...
You don use it, it mine as wight not be there.

So should Wrex not be in the game? You don't "use" him either.

Liara is in but you don't romance her you "continue" the relationship but there is no romance.

Sex does not equal romance, sorry but that's just not true. 

And there wasn't a *** romance in ME1

Nope. Liara was a lesbian romance if you were FemShep.

They didn;t have to add Wrex..If they didn't so what? Although comparing a charater to a sexual orientation makes no sense. And Liara.Isn't.A.Women.

[Kolaris8472]

Mlow44 wrote...

i don't care if gays can marry. they can do whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't affect me. when it enters my video games, however, it affects me. perish the thought that Commander Shepard, alien tail-chaser second only perhaps to Captain Kirk, would seek the love of another man... it perverts the ideal Shepard I've come to admire

And would never happen in your game, no doubt. 

There are lots of things in the game files you don't know about, some of which are implicitly homosexual. What other people do on their characters would not concern you. 

@ the huge text box - I agree there should be higher concerns, and agree to disagree that it would take any time away from anyone working on said higher concerns. 

Modifié par Kolaris8472, 08 février 2010 - 04:25 .

[Khavos]

MrBiggens wrote...

renegade shepard doesnt get Legion. and thats just one. you fail. stop talking plz. you'll only embarass yourself further

There's a symmetrical thing that Paragon Sheps don't get, though. 

[BrianWilly]

Mlow44 wrote...

i don't care if gays can marry. they can do whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't affect me. when it enters my video games, however, it affects me. perish the thought that Commander Shepard, alien tail-chaser second only perhaps to Captain Kirk, would seek the love of another man... it perverts the ideal Shepard I've come to admire

Are you saying that if gay romances were in this game, you would be utterly compelled against your will into personally clicking through all the gay dialogue choices?  You just wouldn't be able to help yourself but to turn your Shepard gay if the option was available, no matter how hard you tried?

'Cause that sounds like what you're saying.

It's a wonder that most men here haven't created female Shepards and slept with the male squadmates over and over and over again, just by merit of the option being available...

Modifié par BrianWilly, 08 février 2010 - 04:26 .

[Myrmedus]

Khavos wrote...

MrBiggens wrote...

renegade shepard doesnt get Legion. and thats just one. you fail. stop talking plz. you'll only embarass yourself further

There's a symmetrical thing that Paragon Sheps don't get, though. 

What's that btw? Just for curiosity's sake

[UsagiVindaloo]

BrianWilly wrote...

DeathCultArm wrote...
What YOU want....we all want something..It doen't mean BW has to add it. What option is better for the majority of gamers? Six romance? Or less, with *** romances...There's no way to add them without shunning those who prefer the heterosexual ones.

Or,

Six romances, with two out of those six -- one male and one female -- being bisexual options that both male and female Shepards could potentially pursue, much like Liara in the first game.  The remaining four being straight.

There.  In less than a minute I just made everyone happy.

You don't even have to change a lot, if any, of the dialogue: if you'll notice, pretty much all romance dialogue for all romance options are entirely gender-neutral.  Meer and Hale had recorded same-sex romance dialogue for the first game; there's no reason to think they didn't for the second game.

Quoting for truth. Seriously, it would have been super easy to make two of those six bisexual. It would just be an argument as to which (my vote would be Thane and Jack, but Garrus and Tali would also be very possible). And the only extra work for Bioware would be having to get the two voice actors to record a little more dialog... and having worked tangentally in the voice acting business, that would not have been the end of the world. Not with as much dialog as they were contracted to do already!