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[Zafezase]

caynes wrote...

Zafezase wrote...

You're playing the "role" of 'John' Shepard in the RPG. Which means that if they had given Shepard the ideals of being a homosexual/bisexual, you would be given that chance to participate in same-sex romance. Too bad for you though, because 'John' Shepard doesn't have those ideals, and you're suppose to be playing his "role".

If you want it THAT badly, go out and make your own game, implement the features that suit YOUR tastes, and stop your b*tchin. Be happy that BioWare is able to make such an amazing game for you to play, and get over your silly, STUPID, little problems. It's getting to be ridiculous.

your suppose to be able to mold "john" shepard to your liking, you are playing his role (beating collectors) no matter what but what u do on the way is what molds you meaning that u should have freedom with your sexual orientation, and why is it that "jane" shepard can and "john" shepard cant?

The point keeps being brought up about "Jane" Shepard being able to same-sex romance. SHE CAN'T. She can romance a couple Asari, yes. But, if you were to look into the culture and read up on your Asari facts, you would know that they AREN'T THE SAME SEX. They are ALIENS.

If you bring Kelly into this, you must remember: She is a FLING. Not a ROMANCE.

[Peturd07]

Shepard is defined as straight when he starts to make passes at girls and tries to bed them and doesn't for guys .... that's about as defined as I need if I'm interested in someone. It'd be nice if Brad Pitt was gay, and I never heard him say out loud he was not before, so he prolly is just he won't admit it cause EA and society won't let him! Oh and kids on microphones stop him too!

[Brahlis]

tmp7704 wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Seriously, what's the big deal?  So your male Shepard can't be gay, it really not worth all the griping.

It's just odd limitation to make when they allow Shepard to be of any (human) race and gender. To use your own argument -- why is Shepard's sexual orientation such a big deal that it's taken out of the player's hands?

Because it's not something arbitrary like changing the color of his skin or model. It's about having to add in all the extra content to include the same-sex romance.

Like I said, if they add in new squad mates to accomidate that, then fine whatever. But if they change current squadmates to accomidate it, then it's a travesty.

[Anthropophobic]

Zafezase wrote...

caynes wrote...

Zafezase wrote...

You're playing the "role" of 'John' Shepard in the RPG. Which means that if they had given Shepard the ideals of being a homosexual/bisexual, you would be given that chance to participate in same-sex romance. Too bad for you though, because 'John' Shepard doesn't have those ideals, and you're suppose to be playing his "role".

If you want it THAT badly, go out and make your own game, implement the features that suit YOUR tastes, and stop your b*tchin. Be happy that BioWare is able to make such an amazing game for you to play, and get over your silly, STUPID, little problems. It's getting to be ridiculous.

your suppose to be able to mold "john" shepard to your liking, you are playing his role (beating collectors) no matter what but what u do on the way is what molds you meaning that u should have freedom with your sexual orientation, and why is it that "jane" shepard can and "john" shepard cant?

The point keeps being brought up about "Jane" Shepard being able to same-sex romance. SHE CAN'T. She can romance a couple Asari, yes. But, if you were to look into the culture and read up on your Asari facts, you would know that they AREN'T THE SAME SEX. They are ALIENS.

If you bring Kelly into this, you must remember: She is a FLING. Not a ROMANCE.

The Codex in the first game says that all asari are female and not asexual. It counts.

[caynes]

Zafezase wrote...

caynes wrote...

Zafezase wrote...

You're playing the "role" of 'John' Shepard in the RPG. Which means that if they had given Shepard the ideals of being a homosexual/bisexual, you would be given that chance to participate in same-sex romance. Too bad for you though, because 'John' Shepard doesn't have those ideals, and you're suppose to be playing his "role".

If you want it THAT badly, go out and make your own game, implement the features that suit YOUR tastes, and stop your b*tchin. Be happy that BioWare is able to make such an amazing game for you to play, and get over your silly, STUPID, little problems. It's getting to be ridiculous.

your suppose to be able to mold "john" shepard to your liking, you are playing his role (beating collectors) no matter what but what u do on the way is what molds you meaning that u should have freedom with your sexual orientation, and why is it that "jane" shepard can and "john" shepard cant?

The point keeps being brought up about "Jane" Shepard being able to same-sex romance. SHE CAN'T. She can romance a couple Asari, yes. But, if you were to look into the culture and read up on your Asari facts, you would know that they AREN'T THE SAME SEX. They are ALIENS.

If you bring Kelly into this, you must remember: She is a FLING. Not a ROMANCE.

yur right the asari are umm... both but why do u think bioware chose to have them look the way they did, because some ugly looking alien thing would not be attractive so them give them human features so the player would treat them as such, like wise they give the asari humane female traits so that the player will treat them as such

[Internet Kraken]

I don't quite understand why this is such a big deal.



BioWare doesn't want to write a m/m romance. So why is there all this fussing over it? Is it just because there can be f/f romances? I don't get it.

[caynes]

Anthropophobic wrote...

Zafezase wrote...

caynes wrote...

Zafezase wrote...

You're playing the "role" of 'John' Shepard in the RPG. Which means that if they had given Shepard the ideals of being a homosexual/bisexual, you would be given that chance to participate in same-sex romance. Too bad for you though, because 'John' Shepard doesn't have those ideals, and you're suppose to be playing his "role".

If you want it THAT badly, go out and make your own game, implement the features that suit YOUR tastes, and stop your b*tchin. Be happy that BioWare is able to make such an amazing game for you to play, and get over your silly, STUPID, little problems. It's getting to be ridiculous.

your suppose to be able to mold "john" shepard to your liking, you are playing his role (beating collectors) no matter what but what u do on the way is what molds you meaning that u should have freedom with your sexual orientation, and why is it that "jane" shepard can and "john" shepard cant?

The point keeps being brought up about "Jane" Shepard being able to same-sex romance. SHE CAN'T. She can romance a couple Asari, yes. But, if you were to look into the culture and read up on your Asari facts, you would know that they AREN'T THE SAME SEX. They are ALIENS.

If you bring Kelly into this, you must remember: She is a FLING. Not a ROMANCE.

The Codex in the first game says that all asari are female and not asexual. It counts.

ummm u can still be the same sex and an alien at the same time, and why is easy for them to include interspecies relationships and not unisex, if anything thats worse, that would be closer to beastiality if anything

[UsagiVindaloo]

Something to consider is that adding a gay male love interest for Shepard would in no way affect those who do not want a m/m pairing... because in the end, you don't have to pursue it at all. You believe that Shepard is straighter than a straight thing that goes in a straight line? That's cool, just turn down whichever male character starts showing interest in you. Not that dificult:



RANDOM MALE ALIEN: Shepard... I would like to get to know you better. I am... drawn to you.

SHEPARD: (dialog tree: I'm drawn to you too, Wait, what?, I don't like guys.)

SHEPARD: (picking bottom option) Sorry, I'm not into guys.



Boom, done, no feathers ruffled, no discomfort or offense or anything. And it lets those that would be interested pursue the relationship. How is this not a win-win situation?



(and also, to those who are saying that Shepard hasn't been gay so far so why change it... well, even if that WAS the case, there's nothing stopping him from being bisexual and finding a man who attracts him in the third game. Sexuality is a pretty fluid thing.)

[Peturd07]

So? What do asari have to do with the fact that Male shep is straight, and femshep is bi, and my dragon age character was a gay elf mage, and I met a lovely man named sky in Jade Empire, and when The Old republic comes out I am makeing a sith inquisitor based in all ways off of Neil Patrick Harris. Sometimes you are a gay elf, sometimes you're a bi-sexual female space cowboy, sometimes you are a straight boyscout space marine, and sometimes you are an all powerful NPH. Deal with it.

[Naltair]

I think it just comes down to, they made the asari to be an attractive race, they allowed female Shepard to romance her giving both genders and equal amount of romance choices. But by doing so they gave approval to same sex romance even if they want to say that the asari are not female. The problem being that they decided for whatever reason not to allow male Shepard to do the same.

This got compounded in ME2 when there was a dearth of any female choices besides Kelly or Morinth, which only increased the issue since people wanted and expected a same sex romance at least for the females. But there was still NONE for male Shepard. It isn't fair, it was probably a misstep on their part to set the expectation and now they are going to pay for it, via angry fans who feel somewhat rightly cheated.

I don't think the stance will change because even if the dialog was written and recorded, for whatever reason they said don;t use and don;t enable those flags. It's a choice made for this series, it's a little hypocritical but that is where we are. I say keep fighting, keep pushing.

Some see my posts and think I am against same sex relationships, I am against nonsensical changes with limited potential, I do think that this could be done quite well, appease fans that want the content and add new content for those of us that don't want to engage in that kind of relationship as long as we have new missions and toys to play with.

In the end all that can be done is continue to voice your opinions.

Modifié par Naltair, 07 février 2010 - 07:18 .

[caynes]

Internet Kraken wrote...

I don't quite understand why this is such a big deal.

BioWare doesn't want to write a m/m romance. So why is there all this fussing over it? Is it just because there can be f/f romances? I don't get it.

the fuss is about inclusion, bioware cant claim to make a character of your making if you cant make disissions in order to represent yourself, they did say u can mold shepard to your liking, if you cant do that then its a lie

[Zafezase]

caynes wrote...

Zafezase wrote...

caynes wrote...

Zafezase wrote...

You're playing the "role" of 'John' Shepard in the RPG. Which means that if they had given Shepard the ideals of being a homosexual/bisexual, you would be given that chance to participate in same-sex romance. Too bad for you though, because 'John' Shepard doesn't have those ideals, and you're suppose to be playing his "role".

If you want it THAT badly, go out and make your own game, implement the features that suit YOUR tastes, and stop your b*tchin. Be happy that BioWare is able to make such an amazing game for you to play, and get over your silly, STUPID, little problems. It's getting to be ridiculous.

your suppose to be able to mold "john" shepard to your liking, you are playing his role (beating collectors) no matter what but what u do on the way is what molds you meaning that u should have freedom with your sexual orientation, and why is it that "jane" shepard can and "john" shepard cant?

The point keeps being brought up about "Jane" Shepard being able to same-sex romance. SHE CAN'T. She can romance a couple Asari, yes. But, if you were to look into the culture and read up on your Asari facts, you would know that they AREN'T THE SAME SEX. They are ALIENS.

If you bring Kelly into this, you must remember: She is a FLING. Not a ROMANCE.

yur right the asari are umm... both but why do u think bioware chose to have them look the way they did, because some ugly looking alien thing would not be attractive so them give them human features so the player would treat them as such, like wise they give the asari humane female traits so that the player will treat them as such

If they didn't do that, they would have failed with their chances at making the game that much better. Sorry bro, but look at our society today. Do you think we would like to see our Shepard get in bed with some ugly alien that doesn't look any bit appeasing? I don't think so.

If you want to blame anyone, blame our parents and grandparents. They dominate our politics, which makes it hard for our views to be seen like we would appreciate to happen.

Shepard, male OR female, isn't gay, get over it.

[Adon 9]

Zafezase wrote...

The point keeps being brought up about "Jane" Shepard being able to same-sex romance. SHE CAN'T. She can romance a couple Asari, yes. But, if you were to look into the culture and read up on your Asari facts, you would know that they AREN'T THE SAME SEX. They are ALIENS.

If you bring Kelly into this, you must remember: She is a FLING. Not a ROMANCE.

*sigh* I find it really baffling how some people go out of their way to say that asari aren't female in order to say that a female Shepard who romances one isn't in a same sex relationship.  This disregards the fact that asari closely resemble human females save for their skin color, lack of hair, and headcrests.  And the fact that the asari themselves use feminine pronouns to refer to one another as opposed to the more gender neutral 'it'.  It just comes off as bending over backwards to claim that female Shepard isn't romancing another woman.

As for Kelly, whether or not it is a fling depends on how seriously you choose to view it.  And fling or not, it is still a relationship with a woman.  Or do flings not count somehow?

[DaeJi]

Brahlis wrote...
But if they change current squadmates to accomidate it, then it's a travesty.

How would this be a travesty? How would just affect any player's game except for the fans who want it?

As for a creating a new character for a gay romance option, that would be even worse. It would only put a F/F or a M/M option in the game (probably a F/F).

[tmp7704]

Brahlis wrote...

Because it's not something arbitrary like changing the color of his skin or model. It's about having to add in all the extra content to include the same-sex romance.

The skin and the models are also extra content which has to be made; it didn't stop Bioware from allowing Shepard to be either female or male. And Ray doesn't bring this up as argument anyway, he uses the 'third person narrative with more predefined character' argument which simply makes little sense when this 'pre-definition' is very selectively applied to character's sexual orientation. It just feel odd that this particular aspect is considered so important it must be set in stone when you're given lot of freedom selecting other features of Shepard. Srsly, why is it such a big deal?

[Peturd07]

In all fairness, in ME3 after having things not work with Ash, and then having things not work with Tali it would be neat to have my Shep realize his relationships all failed before because deep down he wasn't true to himself, and then barge into Jacobs quarters and confess his love. But that likely won't happen. Mick Jager explained why once ... "YOU CAN"T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT".

[Anthropophobic]

Peturd07 wrote...

So? What do asari have to do with the fact that Male shep is straight, and femshep is bi, and my dragon age character was a gay elf mage, and I met a lovely man named sky in Jade Empire, and when The Old republic comes out I am makeing a sith inquisitor based in all ways off of Neil Patrick Harris. Sometimes you are a gay elf, sometimes you're a bi-sexual female space cowboy, sometimes you are a straight boyscout space marine, and sometimes you are an all powerful NPH. Deal with it.

Why do you think ManShep is straight while FemShep is bi? They aren't real people, and it isn't just incidental. Female homosexuality is generally a lot less threatening to homophobes in the gaming community, being mostly male, than male homosexuality is.

[Saint Op]

Brahlis wrote...

Actually, let me state something for the sake of "meeting halfway".

If they were going to add this in by adding new characters for your party who have this orientation, then I'd have no problem with it. But changing current characters (not Shepard) to bisexual/homosexual for the sake of it is where I start to have a problem.

And seeing as how the second is how most people want it to happen, is why I ultimately have a problem with it.

This.
 Make the cook gay or somthing but really Garrus, Thane, Grunt I don't think so.
It would suck to have to avoid being nice to my crew because grunt might want to sex me up.
I think it has more to do with the others then Shepard as nobody questions a bi Asari

[DaeJi]

Naltair wrote...
In the end all that can be done is continue to voice your opinions.

We will. It worked once, we hope it will work again. It's not like we are screaming for a huge gameplay change or story change.

[brain_damage]

If there wasn't a f/f option the games, not many people would complain about the lack of a m/m option. For example - Neverwinter Nights 2 - nobody complains that Casavir can't be romanced by a male character. If Obsidian decided to make Elanee romanceable by females too, the fanbase would EXPLODE and whine about having a m/m option in the game.

That "ME is a third person perspective" thing is nonsense. Bioware've been shouting all over the place "Mass Effect is you" and then "Oh wait, we decide what is Shepard's personality". Good job, you guys.

[jlb524]

Peturd07 wrote...

Shepard is defined as straight when he starts to make passes at girls and tries to bed them and doesn't for guys .... that's about as defined as I need if I'm interested in someone. It'd be nice if Brad Pitt was gay, and I never heard him say out loud he was not before, so he prolly is just he won't admit it cause EA and society won't let him! Oh and kids on microphones stop him too!

It still depends on who is playing the game.  Shepard doesn't have to make a pass at any of the females, and can turn them down if they make a pass at him. 

[caynes]

Naltair wrote...

I think it just comes down to, they made the asari to be an attractive race, they allowed female Shepard to romance her giving both genders and equal amount of romance choices. But by doing so they gave approval to same sex romance even if they want to say that the asari are not female. The problem being that they decided for whatever reason not to allow male Shepard to do the same.

This got compounded in ME2 when there was a dearth of any female choices besides Kelly or Morinth, which only increased the issue since people wanted and expected a same sex romance at least for the females. But there was still NONE for male Shepard. It isn't fair, it was probably a misstep on their part to set the expectation and now they are going to pay for it, via angry fans who feel somewhat rightly cheated.

I don't think the stance will change because even if the dialog was written and recorded, for whatever reason they said don;t use and don;t enable those flags. It's a choice made for this series, it's a little hypocritical but that is where we are. I say keep fighting, keep pushing.

Some see my posts and think I am against same sex relationships, I am against nonsensical changes with limited potential, I do think that this could be done quite well, appease fans that want the content and add new content for those of us that don't want to engage in that kind of relationship as long as we have new missions and toys to play with.

In the end all that can be done is continue to voice your opinions.

i think thats why ppl think you are against same sex relationships, because u think the inclusion of them is "nonsensical"

[Naltair]

You can't read then, I mean going back and retconning people just for some silly little DLC expand the role make it more significant in the next game or make a new character so we have all new content. Seriously.

Modifié par Naltair, 07 février 2010 - 07:24 .

[caynes]

Zafezase wrote...

caynes wrote...

Zafezase wrote...

caynes wrote...

Zafezase wrote...

You're playing the "role" of 'John' Shepard in the RPG. Which means that if they had given Shepard the ideals of being a homosexual/bisexual, you would be given that chance to participate in same-sex romance. Too bad for you though, because 'John' Shepard doesn't have those ideals, and you're suppose to be playing his "role".

If you want it THAT badly, go out and make your own game, implement the features that suit YOUR tastes, and stop your b*tchin. Be happy that BioWare is able to make such an amazing game for you to play, and get over your silly, STUPID, little problems. It's getting to be ridiculous.

your suppose to be able to mold "john" shepard to your liking, you are playing his role (beating collectors) no matter what but what u do on the way is what molds you meaning that u should have freedom with your sexual orientation, and why is it that "jane" shepard can and "john" shepard cant?

The point keeps being brought up about "Jane" Shepard being able to same-sex romance. SHE CAN'T. She can romance a couple Asari, yes. But, if you were to look into the culture and read up on your Asari facts, you would know that they AREN'T THE SAME SEX. They are ALIENS.

If you bring Kelly into this, you must remember: She is a FLING. Not a ROMANCE.

yur right the asari are umm... both but why do u think bioware chose to have them look the way they did, because some ugly looking alien thing would not be attractive so them give them human features so the player would treat them as such, like wise they give the asari humane female traits so that the player will treat them as such

If they didn't do that, they would have failed with their chances at making the game that much better. Sorry bro, but look at our society today. Do you think we would like to see our Shepard get in bed with some ugly alien that doesn't look any bit appeasing? I don't think so.

If you want to blame anyone, blame our parents and grandparents. They dominate our politics, which makes it hard for our views to be seen like we would appreciate to happen.

Shepard, male OR female, isn't gay, get over it.

what im saying is they wouldnt give the asari women like features unless they wanted you to treat them like a WOMAN if they didnt have a sex why not make them look like men, why? maybe you can answer that

[caynes]

caynes wrote...

Zafezase wrote...

caynes wrote...

Zafezase wrote...

caynes wrote...

Zafezase wrote...

You're playing the "role" of 'John' Shepard in the RPG. Which means that if they had given Shepard the ideals of being a homosexual/bisexual, you would be given that chance to participate in same-sex romance. Too bad for you though, because 'John' Shepard doesn't have those ideals, and you're suppose to be playing his "role".

If you want it THAT badly, go out and make your own game, implement the features that suit YOUR tastes, and stop your b*tchin. Be happy that BioWare is able to make such an amazing game for you to play, and get over your silly, STUPID, little problems. It's getting to be ridiculous.

your suppose to be able to mold "john" shepard to your liking, you are playing his role (beating collectors) no matter what but what u do on the way is what molds you meaning that u should have freedom with your sexual orientation, and why is it that "jane" shepard can and "john" shepard cant?

The point keeps being brought up about "Jane" Shepard being able to same-sex romance. SHE CAN'T. She can romance a couple Asari, yes. But, if you were to look into the culture and read up on your Asari facts, you would know that they AREN'T THE SAME SEX. They are ALIENS.

If you bring Kelly into this, you must remember: She is a FLING. Not a ROMANCE.

yur right the asari are umm... both but why do u think bioware chose to have them look the way they did, because some ugly looking alien thing would not be attractive so them give them human features so the player would treat them as such, like wise they give the asari humane female traits so that the player will treat them as such

If they didn't do that, they would have failed with their chances at making the game that much better. Sorry bro, but look at our society today. Do you think we would like to see our Shepard get in bed with some ugly alien that doesn't look any bit appeasing? I don't think so.

If you want to blame anyone, blame our parents and grandparents. They dominate our politics, which makes it hard for our views to be seen like we would appreciate to happen.

Shepard, male OR female, isn't gay, get over it.

what im saying is they wouldnt give the asari women like features unless they wanted you to treat them like a WOMAN if they didnt have a sex why not make them look like men, why? maybe you can answer that

 and yur a smart guy no hard feelings i just like heated discussions lol