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[biddypocket]

Hmm...I was thinking about this a little more in depth and realized that there would also need to be a bisexual option, for people who wanted to romance either men or women. What if that was the default option? "Bisexual," or "no preference?" That way, the gays and straights would both have to toggle it in the beginning, which seems fair, and the bisexuals...well, they would have it easy.

Again, still don't see why it couldn't just be in-game.

[BrandNewMan]

biddypocket wrote...

Hmm...I was thinking about this a little more in depth and realized that there would also need to be a bisexual option, for people who wanted to romance either men or women. What if that was the default option? "Bisexual," or "no preference?" That way, the gays and straights would both have to toggle it in the beginning, which seems fair, and the bisexuals...well, they would have it easy.

Again, still don't see why it couldn't just be in-game.

I really don't think a default straight Shepard would anger any homosexuals. On the other hand, I could see a lot of heterosexuals being furuious because 'bisexual' was defaulted. Part of the benefit of having the option that way is that they can still have the "Iconic Shepard" be straight without any homosexual thoughts or options. You would be required to deviate from the norm, rather than it being integrated into it.

[Funkenstein23]

biddypocket wrote...

Hmm...I was thinking about this a little more in depth and realized that there would also need to be a bisexual option, for people who wanted to romance either men or women. What if that was the default option? "Bisexual," or "no preference?" That way, the gays and straights would both have to toggle it in the beginning, which seems fair, and the bisexuals...well, they would have it easy.

Again, still don't see why it couldn't just be in-game.

I think the OP means to say that turning on the homosexual toggle switch would make gay romances possible but not get rid of relationships of the same gender. So Your options would be straight or bi basically. 

[PyroFreak301]

BrandNewMan wrote...

biddypocket wrote...

Hmm...I was thinking about this a little more in depth and realized that there would also need to be a bisexual option, for people who wanted to romance either men or women. What if that was the default option? "Bisexual," or "no preference?" That way, the gays and straights would both have to toggle it in the beginning, which seems fair, and the bisexuals...well, they would have it easy.

Again, still don't see why it couldn't just be in-game.

I really don't think a default straight Shepard would anger any homosexuals. On the other hand, I could see a lot of heterosexuals being furuious because 'bisexual' was defaulted. Part of the benefit of having the option that way is that they can still have the "Iconic Shepard" be straight without any homosexual thoughts or options. You would be required to deviate from the norm, rather than it being integrated into it.

Then make the default 'Undisclosed'? It would still be better to handle it entirely through dialogue, like every other issue that affects your relationships with crew members.

How many players that played Dragon Age: Origins or other Bioware games that have touched on the issue were actually offended by the option of homosexuality? It wasn't a big deal of any of these games because Bioware have proved multiple times that they can include it very tastefully in a way the doesn't comprimise the players view of their main character.

[Russalka]

To me and perhaps to a lot of others, having a straight Shepard is fine, absolutely fine.

But the fact that there are obviously lesbian relations available makes all of the explanations seem hypocritical.

[Niorcs]

Russalka wrote...

To me and perhaps to a lot of others, having a straight Shepard is fine, absolutely fine.
But the fact that there are obviously lesbian relations available makes all of the explanations seem hypocritical.

But you can't have a buff gayShep- I don't see the hypocrisy, unless you classify 'lesbian' as all the game needs to have options.

[Snarlinghamster]

I don't see why straight people would be angered if some people want to have a gay shepard. Each person has their own adventure and you would play the game as you wish, no one would be forcing you to play it that way. I have a female shephard and played through ME1 3 times and never even considered Kaiden as a love interest and she won't be getting intimate with any characters from ME2 by the looks of things.

[daytona123]

As long as the option doesn't change the sexual orientation of already existing characters except Shep, I would be fine with it.



You could have one of the nameless crew members come up during the beginning of the game and ask you out. Then you could have a couple turn down options 3 paragon and 3 renegade. (bi/straight/gay)

This way you choose your Sheps sexual orientation, get a few paragon or renegade points early on, and don't have to be stuck in a relationship with this crew member.



There should also be a couple non crew members around the galaxy you can romance. (both straight and gay options) And fewer squad member romances because lets face it, what reason would the Elcor squad member in ME3 have for wanting to romance you. "seductively. come to my room human. aroused. i want to show you my secret spots."

[biddypocket]

BrandNewMan wrote...

biddypocket wrote...

Hmm...I
was thinking about this a little more in depth and realized that there
would also need to be a bisexual option, for people who wanted to
romance either men or women. What if that was the default option?
"Bisexual," or "no preference?" That way, the gays and straights would both have to toggle it in the beginning, which seems fair, and the bisexuals...well, they would have it easy.

Again, still don't see why it couldn't just be in-game.

I
really don't think a default straight Shepard would anger any
homosexuals. On the other hand, I could see a lot of heterosexuals
being furuious because 'bisexual' was defaulted. Part of the benefit of
having the option that way is that they can still have the "Iconic
Shepard" be straight without any homosexual thoughts or options. You
would be required to deviate from the norm, rather than it being
integrated into it.

In all honesty, the concept of
"deviating from the norm" bothers me quite a bit...for who invented
norms? The majority who rule the society we live in did....I could go
futher, but it would detract frommy point.

I still think simply integrating it into the game would make much more sense. If I stand by this notion of "choosing from the beginning" then we really must analyze what we are telling the young gamers who are playing it (lets face it, not everyone abides by the Mature rating standards). I don't feel comfortable having to "deviate" from anything in order to play my character the way I want it to be played. In real life, I can't toggle whether or not I want guys or girls to hit on me, and both have at times. I'm curious to know what these people who are avidly against the in-game option would do if a gay person actually came up to them (socially appropriately, of course) and hit on them. Newsflash - it wouldn't be the end of the world. You simply just ignore it, or acknoweldge it and say thanks but no thanks, and move on with your life. It shouldn't have to be any different in-game.

BUT, alas, I regress back to my prior opinon that i would be satisfied either way. Not completely happy, but satisfied.

[haberman13]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

I find myself agreeing with diskoh on this. Setting an on/off button for gay romance sets a pretty bad precedent on how games should deal with issues like these.

I honestly don't see how it would be entirely different from there being a yes/no option to include black people in a game, it just screams of discrimination. Any game that did introduce an option like this would kick up such a political sandstorm, it wouldnt ever see a store shelf. A white supremacist might take the same evasive behaviour you described about the potential gay romance, yet he wouldn't have a leg to stand on should he complain about it. I hate to draw extreme parrallels like this, but the only difference between racism and homophobia is that we, as a culture, have outgrown racism. Sadly the same can't be said for homophobia... yet.

An option that you can avoid doesn't need to be hidden for you not to chose it. Only the options you select are relevant to your Shepard.

Race != Sexual orientation

False comparison IMO

I would say homosexuality is more equated to the legalization of drugs, in that there are potentially negative effects on society when either are embraced as non-deviant behavior.

I'm pro-legalization of drugs BTW, as the negative effects are less than the loss of choice.

IMO again of course, I could be wrong.

Modifié par haberman13, 08 février 2010 - 07:02 .

[danman2424]

PyroFreak301 wrote...

BrandNewMan wrote...

biddypocket wrote...

Hmm...I was thinking about this a little more in depth and realized that there would also need to be a bisexual option, for people who wanted to romance either men or women. What if that was the default option? "Bisexual," or "no preference?" That way, the gays and straights would both have to toggle it in the beginning, which seems fair, and the bisexuals...well, they would have it easy.

Again, still don't see why it couldn't just be in-game.

I really don't think a default straight Shepard would anger any homosexuals. On the other hand, I could see a lot of heterosexuals being furuious because 'bisexual' was defaulted. Part of the benefit of having the option that way is that they can still have the "Iconic Shepard" be straight without any homosexual thoughts or options. You would be required to deviate from the norm, rather than it being integrated into it.

Then make the default 'Undisclosed'? It would still be better to handle it entirely through dialogue, like every other issue that affects your relationships with crew members.

How many players that played Dragon Age: Origins or other Bioware games that have touched on the issue were actually offended by the option of homosexuality? It wasn't a big deal of any of these games because Bioware have proved multiple times that they can include it very tastefully in a way the doesn't comprimise the players view of their main character.

The issue is not of people being offended by it. It's of people not taking the game seriously anymore.

[Mr Theropod]

Joker would be the perfect same sex partner. Dr Chakwas for the ladies.

[danman2424]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Mr Theropod wrote...

Joker would be the perfect same sex partner. Dr Chakwas for the ladies.

Either him or Kaidan. Even if I'm partial to Kaidan because he was orginally going to be bi.

Where'd you hear that?

[PyroFreak301]

haberman13 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...

I find myself agreeing with diskoh on this. Setting an on/off button for gay romance sets a pretty bad precedent on how games should deal with issues like these.

I honestly don't see how it would be entirely different from there being a yes/no option to include black people in a game, it just screams of discrimination. Any game that did introduce an option like this would kick up such a political sandstorm, it wouldnt ever see a store shelf. A white supremacist might take the same evasive behaviour you described about the potential gay romance, yet he wouldn't have a leg to stand on should he complain about it. I hate to draw extreme parrallels like this, but the only difference between racism and homophobia is that we, as a culture, have outgrown racism. Sadly the same can't be said for homophobia... yet.

An option that you can avoid doesn't need to be hidden for you not to chose it. Only the options you select are relevant to your Shepard.

Race != Sexual orientation

False comparison IMO

I would say homosexuality is more equated to the legalization of drugs, in that there are potentially negative effects on society when either are embraced as non-deviant behavior.

I'm pro-legalization of drugs BTW, as the negative effects are less than the loss of choice.

IMO again of course, I could be wrong.

I look at it differently. They're both things society has or still discriminates against when it is out of a persons control entirely. The reasons are different, but the outcome's the same... people get judged and treated differently through no fault of their own.

Drugs on the other hand are nothing but choice, there's no innate urge making you need to take drugs, nor will you have to live a repressed life should you choose not to take any. I'm also pro-legalization of some light drugs, unfortunately it's all wrapped up in politics and popularity, but thats a discussion for another thread.

We disagree on the potential negative effects on society. Homosexuality will always remain a vast minority so it's not like it could have any impact on population. If you're looking at it from a sanctity of marriage viewpoint, the insititute of marriage is older than religion (I'm not saying force religions to allow ceremonies, only allow gay couples the same legal rights). The only impact it's having on society is the clash of opinions on whether gay people are moral or not.

The issue is not of people being offended by it. It's of people not taking the game seriously anymore.

People shouldn't be taking a game so seriously that the inclusion of homosexuality would break it for them in the first place.

Modifié par PyroFreak301, 08 février 2010 - 08:19 .

[Illogical343]

Don't like it. Shep seems like he's intended to be an archetypal scifi action hero, and I just don't think it would fit to have him gay.

[danman2424]

PyroFreak301 wrote...


People shouldn't be taking a game so seriously that the inclusion of homosexuality would break it for them in the first place.

Your opinion. Bioware obviously wants their game to be taken as seriously as any book or movie should be taken. I see nothing wrong with striving for that in a medium that is perfectly capable.

[danman2424]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

danman2424 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

Mr Theropod wrote...

Joker would be the perfect same sex partner. Dr Chakwas for the ladies.

Either him or Kaidan. Even if I'm partial to Kaidan because he was orginally going to be bi.

Where'd you hear that?

Dialogue files in game. Far too much for it to have been scrapped early in development. <3

What was said in the files?

[danman2424]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...

PyroFreak301 wrote...


People shouldn't be taking a game so seriously that the inclusion of homosexuality would break it for them in the first place.

I never understood when people started taking games OD seriously. I could understand digging beneath the surface but once you start comparing video games to historical literature works I can't help but LOL. Like seriously? ITS A GAME. Stop acting like its the second coming of Christ or something. I'm all for artistic appreciataion but when your main motive for any medium is sales and entertainment a vast majority of deep artistic merit goes out the window. Especially once you begin pandering to the majority.

Apparently the gay community takes games seriously enough that they are willing to make an issue over there being no relationships for them in a video game.

[danman2424]

Ryuuichi009 wrote...


Part 1

The rest can be found on the sidebar.

Uh.... I recognize and recall almost every one of those lines from conversations my male Shepard had with Liara and Ashley. I haven't played as a female Shepard but I imagine the Kaiden lines are from that.

Hate to burst your bubble.

Modifié par danman2424, 08 février 2010 - 08:48 .

[Wittand25]

danman2424 wrote...

Ryuuichi009 wrote...


Part 1

The rest can be found on the sidebar.

Uh.... I recognize and recall almost every one of those lines from conversations my male Shepard had with Liara and Ashley. I haven't played as a female Shepard but I imagine the Kaiden lines are from that.

Hate to burst your bubble.

The male shepard saying "You are special to me Kaidan "and "Bunk here tonight Kaidan" are from the Ashley romance ?