92 réponses à ce sujet

[holidayc]

Dark Energy

Dark Energy is a concept that anyone playing either of these two games should be fairly familiar with. It is the basis behind the Mass Effect technology and something that scientific corporations are experimenting with heavily in ME2.

Casey Hudson has stated this game to be based upon some-realistic science.

http://www.scientifi...rgy-mass-effect

Dark Energy is the force that is predicted to cause expansion of the universe.

The Reapers and their Creators

The Reapers most probably did not create themselves or just magically come into existence, they were most likely built by something else. Sovereign states in ME1 that 'we' created the Mass Relays. What seems probable is that since 'we' isnt clearly defined, that they are talking about their creators, or they were designed to act as their creators.

It seems to me that the creators of the reapers are also the creators of the Mass Relays. I would guess that this species created the relays and the citadel 'master relay' using material that they found to be indestructable. It is mentioned in ME1 that not even a supernova could destroy the relays. It is also shown in ME2 that the reapers need another species to construct things, it doesnt seem that they have any purpose outside of destruction.  These relays work by essentially removing all mass between the two relays allowing a ship to move at a highly accelerated rate; they also heavily make use of dark energy. 

My thought is that, this creator species built the relays to be indestructable, and then over time realized that rampant use of the mass effect technology had an adverse effect on the Universe. But they didnt have the technology to destroy the relays they created and also didn't want to destroy all life in the galaxy. They then created the reapers and turned off all of the relays in the galaxy (all relays are found 'off' when originally found). The reapers would have no use for constant use of the technology, and had little if any risk of dying off, thus they could serve to protect the universe better than their creators.The estimated safe time before a species would reach over-use of the mass effect technology would be assumed to be around 50,000 years, but to be safe a reaper vanguard would be placed in the galaxy to make sure no life advanced 'too fast'. The reapers would then allow a species to live for a certain time before genetically becoming the memorial to that species. As Harbinger says the reapers are salvation for life, a way to perserve the memory of each species, they would also act as a way for the reproduce and be more genetically apt to meet whatever new threats the galaxies could bring.

The reapers function HAS to be centered on the Mass Effect technology (as the series title would imply) because the reapers don't give a damn about civilization or life that hasn't discovered the relays.

In this way, the reapers were created as a form of universal immune system to guard against a preceived or imagined greater threat to the universe's expansion. Whatever that may be is easily beyond the knowledge of any galaxy, thus sovereign says his motives are beyond the comprehension of Shepard.

Mark Meer (who voices male shepard) has said this final entry in the series will be very dark. Who knows? This seems the most plausible explanation at this point however.

Modifié par holidayc, 08 février 2010 - 12:56 .

[Wolverfrog]

Good theory.

[screwoffreg]

I always thought that may be it. The only thing that remains is destroying the Mass Relays or not using the technology of the Citadel then? The end of galactic civilization and a permanent backslide? Yuck, not another Battlestar Galactica ending...

[Haasth]

holidayc wrote...

Dark Energy

Dark Energy is a concept that anyone playing either of these two games should be fairly familiar with. It is the basis behind the Mass Effect technology and something that scientific corporations are experimenting with heavily in ME2.

Casey Hudson has stated this game to be based upon some-realistic science.

http://www.scientifi...rgy-mass-effect

Dark Energy is the force that is predicted to cause expansion of the universe.

The Reapers and their Creators

The Reapers most probably did not create themselves or just magically come into existence, they were most likely built by something else. Sovereign states in ME1 that 'we' created the Mass Relays. What seems probable is that since 'we' isnt clearly defined, that they are talking about their creators, or they were designed to act as their creators.

It seems to me that the creators of the reapers are also the creators of the Mass Relays. I would guess that this species created the relays and the citadel 'master relay' using material that they found to be indestructable. It is mentioned in ME1 that not even a supernova could destroy the relays. It is also shown in ME2 that the reapers need another species to construct things, it doesnt seem that they have any purpose outside of destruction.  These relays work by essentially removing all mass between the two relays allowing a ship to move at a highly accelerated rate; they also heavily make use of dark energy. 

My thought is that, this creator species built the relays to be indestructable, and then over time realized that rampant use of the mass effect technology had an adverse effect on the Universe. But they didnt have the technology to destroy the relays they created and also didn't want to destroy all life in the galaxy. They then created the reapers and turned off all of the relays in the galaxy (all relays are found 'off' when originally found). The reapers would have no use for constant use of the technology, and had little if any risk of dying off, thus they could serve to protect the universe better than their creators.The estimated safe time before a species would reach over-use of the mass effect technology would be assumed to be around 50,000 years, but to be safe a reaper vanguard would be placed in the galaxy to make sure no life advanced 'too fast'. The reapers would then allow a species to live for a certain time before genetically becoming the memorial to that species. As Harbinger says the reapers are salvation for life, a way to perserve the memory of each species, they would also act as a way for the reproduce and be more genetically apt to meet whatever new threats the galaxies could bring.

The reapers function HAS to be centered on the Mass Effect technology (as the series title would imply) because the reapers don't give a damn about civilization or life that hasn't discovered the relays.

In this way, the reapers were created as a form of universal immune system to guard against a preceived or imagined greater threat to the universe's expansion. Whatever that may be is easily beyond the knowledge of any galaxy, thus sovereign says his motives are beyond the comprehension of Shepard.

Mark Meer (who voices male shepard) has said this final entry in the series will be very dark. Who knows? This seems the most plausible explanation at this point however.

Wow. I do not know how much consideration you gave this theory but I take my non-existing hat off for you. This is possibly the most interesting and solid theory I have read about regarding the Mass Effect universe so far.

It sounds plausible enough too and would definitely be original. If they would actually go with this I would be very happy as that would leave some dire consequences either way and would actually deem the Reapers not that evil as they are obviously stereotyped with. After all... Destroying life every 50.000 years so that life itself can continue does not seem that evil than simply 'harvesting them' because they can. 

[Kenshen]

The Mu Relay (I think that was the relay to Ilos) wasn't in the solar system that went supernova but close enough to be pushed by the blast wave or least that is how I took that so I am not sure the relays are indestructable. I could see the reapers making repairs/upgrades after they have wiped out all other life. If they didn't I would think someone along the way would have realized how old they are.



Also Reapers are AI machines and even in ME I doubt that is something that can start out as pond scum like most life did on Earth. So with that thinking I do believe someone build them probably much like the Geth were and somewhere along the line the reapers turned on there former masters. I don't think the reapers made the mass relays but they do seem to take credit for it and considering how big an ego Sovereign had it doesn't surprise me.

[screwoffreg]

As for Mark Meer's statements, I thought he said he wasn't even informed of the plot of ME 3 yet. Even so, I think there will be a huge decision in ME 3, but I am just hoping it isn't an eco-primitivist one where everyone reverts to flinging poop at each other because technology is bad...

[pacer90]

That was... actually really good. I'm going to be sad if that is the case now though because you told it to me.

[Haasth]

Plunge the Universe in darkness and disconnect all communication or continue with the possibility of nullifying life as we know it?

[Myrmedus]

I like your theory but I think it's wrong because the science is off.

You can't 'create' energy so if the BW writers are trying to make the science in ME anything close to "some-realistic" the Mass Relays won't be 'creating' Dark Energy but simply converting Mass into Dark Energy or vice versa.

In other words, even though I like your theory I don't think it's correct because the Mass Relays don't 'create' Dark Energy out of thin air and therefore won't be disturbing the relative balance of Universal substance. What they do is convert Mass into Dark Energy, for example the Mass of a spacecraft or a path between Relays, and then once the Mass Effect field is disengaged that Dark Energy converts back into Mass.

If this wasn't the case then going into a Mass Relay would give your ship a PERMANENT reduction in Mass, resulting in its potential velocity being permanently FTL. We know this is not the case and thus the original 'rest Mass' of the ship is gained after leaving the Mass Effect field. This additional Mass, once again, doesn't appear out of thin air but is gained from the originally converted Dark Energy.

In layman's terms the effect of a Mass Effect field is temporary and therefore any conversion is also temporary. I definitely think Dark Energy will play a big role in ME3 but I don't think it'll be one of Dark Energy overflowing the Galaxy/Universe. However, I do also agree with the idea that the Reapers are working on a 'grand' and almost protectorate or overseeing scale for the Universe.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 08 février 2010 - 01:16 .

[screwoffreg]

Haasth wrote...

Plunge the Universe in darkness and disconnect all communication or continue with the possibility of nullifying life as we know it?

Most of the species would have died off without space travel.  It is implied Earth is even an environmental hell hole but resources from space and colonies have given it hope again.   Without space travel and communication, most species would have gone extinct on their own, which is exactly why the Reapers don't care about non Relay using peoples.

[Haasth]

screwoffreg wrote...

Haasth wrote...

Plunge the Universe in darkness and disconnect all communication or continue with the possibility of nullifying life as we know it?

Most of the species would have died off without space travel.  It is implied Earth is even an environmental hell hole but resources from space and colonies have given it hope again.   Without space travel and communication, most species would have gone extinct on their own, which is exactly why the Reapers don't care about non Relay using peoples.

Exactly. Humanity would have been in trouble akin to the Drell and Krogan if not for the relay. 
This would make for quite an interesting choice in Mass Effect 3 which I suppose is a doom scenario either way... I don't think any race would survive without the relay stations. Like Sovereign already said... they have become completely reliant on them. 

[Narosian]

interesting theory. Only i think that the reapers were originally intended to protect the galaxy from over use of mass relays in a different way. Sort of like how the replicators in stargate atlantis decided killing the wraiths food source (humans) was a safer way to get rid of the wraith, the reapers I think came to the conclusion that it was easier to just get rid of the advanced organic like rather that however they were made to do it originally.

[Maj.Pain007]

Nice theory.

[holidayc]

Myrmedus wrote...

I like your theory but I think it's wrong because the science is off.

You can't 'create' energy so if the BW writers are trying to make the science in ME anything close to "some-realistic" the Mass Relays won't be 'creating' Dark Energy but simply converting Mass into Dark Energy or vice versa.

In other words, even though I like your theory I don't think it's correct because the Mass Relays don't 'create' Dark Energy out of thin air and therefore won't be disturbing the relative balance of Universal substance. What they do is convert Mass into Dark Energy, for example the Mass of a spacecraft or a path between Relays, and then once the Mass Effect field is disengaged that Dark Energy converts back into Mass.

If this wasn't the case then going into a Mass Relay would give your ship a PERMANENT reduction in Mass, resulting in its potential velocity being permanently FTL. We know this is not the case and thus the original 'rest Mass' of the ship is gained after leaving the Mass Effect field. This additional Mass, once again, doesn't appear out of thin air but is gained from the originally converted Dark Energy.

In layman's terms the effect of a Mass Effect field is temporary and therefore any conversion is also temporary. I definitely think Dark Energy will play a big role in ME3 but I don't think it'll be one of Dark Energy overflowing the Galaxy/Universe. However, I do also agree with the idea that the Reapers are working on a 'grand' and almost protectorate or overseeing scale for the Universe.

Well it is science fiction. But I do agree. However, that doesn't mean the manipulation of dark energy doesnt have an effect on the universe that the creators of the reapers understood to be bad.

[Doodly_Coopens]

I dont follow. How does killing all sentient life in the galaxy stop dark energy from doing whatever bad stuff?

[Doodly_Coopens]

-Double post.

Modifié par Doodly_Coopens, 08 février 2010 - 01:32 .

[this isnt my name]

Damn I think isolatin is as bad as extinction... Ok just move the salarians, quarians, asari, geth, krogan, hannar, drell, turians and humans into a place they can meet eachother without relays and they will be happy.

[Myrmedus]

holidayc wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

I like your theory but I think it's wrong because the science is off.

You can't 'create' energy so if the BW writers are trying to make the science in ME anything close to "some-realistic" the Mass Relays won't be 'creating' Dark Energy but simply converting Mass into Dark Energy or vice versa.

In other words, even though I like your theory I don't think it's correct because the Mass Relays don't 'create' Dark Energy out of thin air and therefore won't be disturbing the relative balance of Universal substance. What they do is convert Mass into Dark Energy, for example the Mass of a spacecraft or a path between Relays, and then once the Mass Effect field is disengaged that Dark Energy converts back into Mass.

If this wasn't the case then going into a Mass Relay would give your ship a PERMANENT reduction in Mass, resulting in its potential velocity being permanently FTL. We know this is not the case and thus the original 'rest Mass' of the ship is gained after leaving the Mass Effect field. This additional Mass, once again, doesn't appear out of thin air but is gained from the originally converted Dark Energy.

In layman's terms the effect of a Mass Effect field is temporary and therefore any conversion is also temporary. I definitely think Dark Energy will play a big role in ME3 but I don't think it'll be one of Dark Energy overflowing the Galaxy/Universe. However, I do also agree with the idea that the Reapers are working on a 'grand' and almost protectorate or overseeing scale for the Universe.

Well it is science fiction. But I do agree. However, that doesn't mean the manipulation of dark energy doesnt have an effect on the universe that the creators of the reapers understood to be bad.

Yeah I know it's just the "some-science" part that made me think it won't be the case. To be honest I hope it isn't the case because...well...I wouldn't enjoy the plot as much as I could. Having a knowledge of this kind of science can make things less enjoyable sometimes :/ - I remember picking holes in Star Trek all the time, heh.

But I definitely think there will be something that causes the Reapers to be shown in a different light in ME3. In fact as early as ME1 my theory was that their cycle of extinction was an answer to organic species' over-population spread - if that kind of spread continues organic species will suffocate the Universe (just like how we are suffocating the Earth). It'll take a very very long time but it'll happen eventually if left unchecked.

[WoodWizzard87]

Myrmedus wrote...

I like your theory but I think it's wrong because the science is off.

You can't 'create' energy so if the BW writers are trying to make the science in ME anything close to "some-realistic" the Mass Relays won't be 'creating' Dark Energy but simply converting Mass into Dark Energy or vice versa.

In other words, even though I like your theory I don't think it's correct because the Mass Relays don't 'create' Dark Energy out of thin air and therefore won't be disturbing the relative balance of Universal substance. What they do is convert Mass into Dark Energy, for example the Mass of a spacecraft or a path between Relays, and then once the Mass Effect field is disengaged that Dark Energy converts back into Mass.

If this wasn't the case then going into a Mass Relay would give your ship a PERMANENT reduction in Mass, resulting in its potential velocity being permanently FTL. We know this is not the case and thus the original 'rest Mass' of the ship is gained after leaving the Mass Effect field. This additional Mass, once again, doesn't appear out of thin air but is gained from the originally converted Dark Energy.

In layman's terms the effect of a Mass Effect field is temporary and therefore any conversion is also temporary. I definitely think Dark Energy will play a big role in ME3 but I don't think it'll be one of Dark Energy overflowing the Galaxy/Universe. However, I do also agree with the idea that the Reapers are working on a 'grand' and almost protectorate or overseeing scale for the Universe.

I agree with you completely.  According to Newtons first law, you cant really overrun the galaxy with "dark energy".  Supposedly scientists say that anything that isnt matter is dark energy and encompases everything else.  So you have a galaxy full of matter and energy, while there is dark energy dispersed throughout the galaxy as well as dark energy around it holding it together and making the "Dark Space" between galaxies. 

Dark Energy will play a big part in ME3, but i think it will be used as a weapon.  So this dark energy is suck potentil and kinetic energy from the sun and causing it to die prematurely.  Maybe Sheppard finds a way to harness this dark energy and in the end,..... it sucks the energy out of teh repear mass effect cores, shutting off their FTL drives and kinetic barriers.  

As for the whole overseeing the universe and being protectorates, it just seems like a funky premise to me.  Why not just let everyone kill themselves through wars, eventually life will begin again through evolution, just like it always does. 

[Myrmedus]

Doodly_Coopens wrote...

I dont follow. How does killing all sentient life in the galaxy stop dark energy from doing whatever bad stuff?

The concept is that somehow the Dark Energy re-establishes a natural balance with the rest of the Universal fabric. It's a possible route for BW but a route I hope they don't go down because such an imbalance is impossible unless there are permanent changes to objects entering the fields.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 08 février 2010 - 01:34 .

[lyssalu]

 that's scary and i kinda think you're right.  especially after the tali recruitment mission, where that sun is getting all effed up by dark energy.  kinda spells out a rotten ending in ME3 though.

[Haasth]

Myrmedus wrote...

I like your theory but I think it's wrong because the science is off.

You can't 'create' energy so if the BW writers are trying to make the science in ME anything close to "some-realistic" the Mass Relays won't be 'creating' Dark Energy but simply converting Mass into Dark Energy or vice versa.

In other words, even though I like your theory I don't think it's correct because the Mass Relays don't 'create' Dark Energy out of thin air and therefore won't be disturbing the relative balance of Universal substance. What they do is convert Mass into Dark Energy, for example the Mass of a spacecraft or a path between Relays, and then once the Mass Effect field is disengaged that Dark Energy converts back into Mass.

If this wasn't the case then going into a Mass Relay would give your ship a PERMANENT reduction in Mass, resulting in its potential velocity being permanently FTL. We know this is not the case and thus the original 'rest Mass' of the ship is gained after leaving the Mass Effect field. This additional Mass, once again, doesn't appear out of thin air but is gained from the originally converted Dark Energy.

In layman's terms the effect of a Mass Effect field is temporary and therefore any conversion is also temporary. I definitely think Dark Energy will play a big role in ME3 but I don't think it'll be one of Dark Energy overflowing the Galaxy/Universe. However, I do also agree with the idea that the Reapers are working on a 'grand' and almost protectorate or overseeing scale for the Universe.

You are correct but of course this is science-fiction. Many things are likely to stay fiction forever... but regardless who is to say that the dark matter manipulation does in fact not disrupt the 'natural balance' of things? 

Dark matter will most likely play a big role in Mass Effect 3 and I like the theory mentioned here. 

[this isnt my name]

Doodly_Coopens wrote...

I dont follow. How does killing all sentient life in the galaxy stop dark energy from doing whatever bad stuff?

Could be like radiation and everything goes back to normal after a while.

[Mikazukinoyaiba2]

Someone has been watching Tenga Toppa Gurren Lagann.

[Myrmedus]

WoodWizzard87 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

I like your theory but I think it's wrong because the science is off.

You can't 'create' energy so if the BW writers are trying to make the science in ME anything close to "some-realistic" the Mass Relays won't be 'creating' Dark Energy but simply converting Mass into Dark Energy or vice versa.

In other words, even though I like your theory I don't think it's correct because the Mass Relays don't 'create' Dark Energy out of thin air and therefore won't be disturbing the relative balance of Universal substance. What they do is convert Mass into Dark Energy, for example the Mass of a spacecraft or a path between Relays, and then once the Mass Effect field is disengaged that Dark Energy converts back into Mass.

If this wasn't the case then going into a Mass Relay would give your ship a PERMANENT reduction in Mass, resulting in its potential velocity being permanently FTL. We know this is not the case and thus the original 'rest Mass' of the ship is gained after leaving the Mass Effect field. This additional Mass, once again, doesn't appear out of thin air but is gained from the originally converted Dark Energy.

In layman's terms the effect of a Mass Effect field is temporary and therefore any conversion is also temporary. I definitely think Dark Energy will play a big role in ME3 but I don't think it'll be one of Dark Energy overflowing the Galaxy/Universe. However, I do also agree with the idea that the Reapers are working on a 'grand' and almost protectorate or overseeing scale for the Universe.

I agree with you completely.  According to Newtons first law, you cant really overrun the galaxy with "dark energy".  Supposedly scientists say that anything that isnt matter is dark energy and encompases everything else.  So you have a galaxy full of matter and energy, while there is dark energy dispersed throughout the galaxy as well as dark energy around it holding it together and making the "Dark Space" between galaxies. 

Dark Energy will play a big part in ME3, but i think it will be used as a weapon.  So this dark energy is suck potentil and kinetic energy from the sun and causing it to die prematurely.  Maybe Sheppard finds a way to harness this dark energy and in the end,..... it sucks the energy out of teh repear mass effect cores, shutting off their FTL drives and kinetic barriers.  

As for the whole overseeing the universe and being protectorates, it just seems like a funky premise to me.  Why not just let everyone kill themselves through wars, eventually life will begin again through evolution, just like it always does. 

In terms of the Wars we fight today, yes life would begin anew. However, a War that would be fought where organic species have virtually covered the entire Universe? The technology would be utterly devastating.Think about the power of that mass accelerator weapon that caused The Great Rift on Klendagor where the Derelict Reaper was found. Such a War would probably end up destroying the entire Universe, or at the very least destroy ALL life.

I'm not talking about destroying each individual planet in the Universe by the way, but simply through destroying enough Universal substance in particular sectors that it would cause Universal instability...think of it like blowing away the pillars holding up a building, the whole thing just comes crashing down. Even in the event that the Universe collects itself and rebalances, the Reapers would still end up being destroyed in the process.

Now think back to that mass accelerator weapon again and the fact a Reaper got hit by it. I honestly wonder if once upon a time they fought in a War that almost destroyed the Universe as we know it and now seek to stop it from ever coming to fruition by eliminating organic races each time they hit a threat barrier.